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June 19, 2007
Enough of 13-9?
Is it me, or by now is it time to get past UCLA's 13-9 defeat of USC? I know it was a while since UCLA won and it cost USC a chance at the national title, but in talking to folks on and off campus, to me there is a warped sense of accomplishment lingering from the win. Yes, I understand it was great, but it spurred UCLA to a 7-6 season, and the Bruins then lost to a Florida State team in the Emerald Bowl. A Florida State team that did not want to be there, and played like it in the first half.
Yet, I still see things around campus celebrating UCLA's 13-9 win, and UCLA fans are often holding the 13-9 win in the faces of USC fans. The way I see it, USC is still the best program in the country, and living off one win six months ago in an average season makes no sense.
I know in talking to some players, they have moved far beyond that game and are focused on next season.
Are UCLA fans so starved to have something on USC that they are clinging to one win? What's your take?
Posted by Brian Dohn at June 19, 2007 07:16 AM
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I believe anytime you can beat the trojans ,it is a good thing . Since it had been a long time coming, makes it even that more eventful . It is a Rival game , nothing wrong in enjoying it , until the next time we meet ? Let it go !
Posted by: Manuel Vigil at June 19, 2007 08:15 AM
I agree, SC is not saying any thing, but it is a sure bet they are doing many things. It should be fun for all, especially the players, if UCLA came out wild and crazy in '07 and kept opponents guessing ahead of every game and every play.
Posted by: Ken at June 19, 2007 08:15 AM
Sorry Brian, this win will live on forever. There will always be two camps of UCLA fans: the ones that want a clean program, periodic success, and bragging rights over SUC however they can get them; and the ones that want UCLA to be an elite college football power. The sad truth is that you can't have both. The more important part about the win is that it prevented them from matching the only meaningful stat we have in this rivalry (8 straight). The other part is that the entire SUC nation collectively bowed their head in silence -- a stark contrast from the scapegoating or arrogance that typically follows a loss. I haven't heard once "we would have won 9 times out of 10" or "we're still the better team" or even "we got jobbed by the officials" from those blowhards. They got beat and there's nothing they can say to the contrary. I've moved past the victory for all intents and purposes because there is a lot of optimism going into the season and recruiting's been good, but that win was one for the ages. The other thing to note is how unbearably obnoxious SUC fans have been during the current run ... that probably has more to do with dwelling on this victory than anything else.
Posted by: Dean at June 19, 2007 08:40 AM
At times, I've been a tomato thrower, but today I stand up and applaud. I think you're 100% correct. Funny, many of the pundits have put the bruins in the top 25 based on that win alone. Remember, outside of beating a listless OSU at home, ucla had no other impressive victories and lost to a woeful FSU team that got scalped 31-0 in Tallahassee to Wake Forrest. You could argue Utah was a nice win, but Zona, ASU, Rice and Stanford? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I appreciate your objectivity and perspective.
Posted by: Ryan Callerson at June 19, 2007 08:54 AM
Brian,
I must agree with the previous poster Dean. UCLA earned the bragging rights for the year fair and square and should enjoy them. That's not to say the players & coaches shouldn't be looking forward which it sounds like they are. But for the fans of UCLA, it's been a long, cold, dark 7 years losing to those blowhards (a perfect word for SUC fans) and we really should enjoy it for a full year. I don't think there is a "warped sense of accomplishment"...........I think you're just still seeing people enjoying the victory as they should. Truly educated UCLA football fans know there is still a sizeable gap between the two programs but that gap is now closing.
Posted by: Bruin Brian at June 19, 2007 09:10 AM
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I'm not aware of anyone "clinging" to that win.
And, the stuff that I've read on the message boards conforms to a forward thinking approach.
Posted by: Anonymous at June 19, 2007 09:25 AM
I think we as Bruins deserve to hold it against trojies until the next meeting's outcome.
As for the rest of the season, of course it was disappointing, but the fact we beat suc makes the overall record a bit more bearable.
Posted by: arnie at June 19, 2007 09:30 AM
Ending the losing streak was huge, Brian, and even a deflating loss to Florida State could not diminish the value of beating SC. Let the celebration continue until the next episode of the rivalry unfolds in December.
Posted by: macbruin at June 19, 2007 09:56 AM
Just because you have an antagonistic view of UCLA, does mean that UCLA fans should have one too.
Posted by: Anonymous at June 19, 2007 09:56 AM
SUCLA fans were just as obnoxious as USC fans during the late 90's. So don't get all high and mighty. Until UCLA actually accomplishes one of the things USC has on the football field (i.e. national title, victory in a bcs bowl game, heisman winner, four straight undisputed pac-10 titles) then the Bruin nation will have to grasp to small meaningless accomplishments.
UCLA played well in the game, but they were also fortunate to win. They did not dominate USC, like the Trojans had the year before. And while the win did keep USC out of a national title game...it's not like there's a lack of hardware in Heritage Hall.
Just go over to the USC blog and see how many Bruin yahoos respond to everything with "13-9!" It's the only thing they have to hang their hat on. Kind of like the stupid kid in class who celebrates getting a "C" the way everyone else celebrates an "A"
Posted by: pattyo at June 19, 2007 10:06 AM
I think the streaks have made the fans less respectful towards one another. IMO, 13-9 would have had much less meaning if the SC fans had not been so obnoxious for the prior seven years and perhaps they would have been more gracious had we not rubbed it in their faces for the eight years before that.
Posted by: Bruinjoe at June 19, 2007 10:07 AM
Hey Brian It's spelled USC! Man, UCLA people are so stupid!!!! What you are talking about makes no sense. If your liberal views are a representation of the UCLA program, WOW that would explain alot!!!
Your team won the game on that Saturday and I could care less about what would happen in 9 out of 10 times. The fact like the columnist said is that that game should have spring boarded you guys vs Florida State and into 2008 and it didn't (Hum....)Obviously, that loss refocused USC for Michigan and it definitely spring boarded them toward 2008!
It will be really interesting to see what will happen this season. If everything goes as scheduled, ULCA will be staring up at USC in the standings once again!
Fight on!
Posted by: Trojan Man at June 19, 2007 10:12 AM
Brian,
Any time a team has beat you 7 times in a row, in a rivalry game like this one, it will live on forever. Not only did we stop the streak we cost them a national championship. The fact is that when UCLA and USC are in down years beating the rival is almost as important as the entire season itself. I think it really has to do with the unique rivalry. I can not think of another college rivalry that is in the same city.
Posted by: Tim at June 19, 2007 10:13 AM
Agree with Dean. 8 game winning streak is the record and that win prevented SC from tying it. That win will be big for a long time. And lets be real, SC would be coming on here and our boards still talking about the game had they won. No one should be surprised by 13-9 still being relevant to UCLA football fans.
Brian
What is surprising is your low-balling expectations for the team this year. This the second time you've done it. Its as if you are setting Dorrell up with excuses. Giving him a pass already. Its his 5th season and he has the most returning starters and returning senior starters in the country. Why the lowballing??
Posted by: DumpDorrell at June 19, 2007 10:22 AM
disregard my previous statement, I misread your post.
Posted by: DumpDorrell at June 19, 2007 10:33 AM
Dean, you are so full of bRuin crap I can smell it from here.
We may have bowed our heads in silence as we walked out of the Rose Bowl, however, that was to keep from getting into a physical confrontation with the classless bRuin fans that were acting belligerent.
The bRuin victory was a fluke. You know it, SC fan knows it...and so does the collective football world. SC wins that game 9 times out of 10. Just be happy with the fact that SC was looking past the bRuins on that day, and that the stars were aligned. fucla played their best defensive game of the year that day, and SC played their worst offensive game of the year on that day.
At least you admit, albeit subtly, that fucla is not an elite power in football...never has and never will be. You can revel in the 8 game streak, meanwhile SC still owns the overall record versus the paintywastes from the village of westwood.
I hope you enjoyed your bowl of nuts. SC enjoyed ANOTHER Rose Bowl victory as a consolation prize. 27-0, 52-7, and 66-19 will seem nice in comparison to what the bRuins will face this December.
Sincerely,
Your Daddy
Posted by: TW at June 19, 2007 10:55 AM
Haha a Fluke, a fluke is a hail mary at the end to win, or a intercepted pass on a final drive oh haha wait no. Ask JDB if the McPick was luck. Skill, concentration, strength, preparation all went into that split second. Trojoids can claim what they want but they it burns so deep that Brian Dohn can post this and all come to defend. Pathetic, i enjoy your nonsense here. GO Bruins and untill Dec. 1st 13-9 baby. 13-9
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Dohn I love the stirring of the pot.
Posted by: bruinchamp
at June 19, 2007 11:07 AM
I don't think if you're a Bruin you're ever going to move on. This game was one on the biggest ever ...perhaps as big as the John Barnes game or the game where Skip Hicks got the winning TD in overtime.
But this year is even bigger and even higher stakes. If we can build on the suc game this season will be magical
Posted by: Gerry Ohta at June 19, 2007 11:52 AM
First of all, congratulations on the 4 point win -it definitely was the cherry on yet another crappy 7-6 bruin season.
It's interesting that the common theme on this is that ucla prevented USC from winning another MNC, not that it put ucla in a position to earn something of their own (like a pac-10 championship, BCS birth, MNC, etc.). To parphrase DumpDullard, way to set the bar high guys!
You all can keep your 8-game streak (what else did you earn in those years?). I'd gladly trade those dark times for the 5 straight Pac-10 titles, the 3 Heismans, 5 BCS bowls, and 2 MNC's that USC has enjoyed recently.
Posted by: Tommy at June 19, 2007 12:14 PM
Are you nuts?
The USC-UCLA is about bragging rights.
You win the game; you get 364 days to rub it in the face of the other guys.
The Trojans did it to us for 7 years; we are going to do it to them for the full 364 days.
It's good that the team is focusing on the fall. We as fans get to enjoy it until December.
Posted by: Art at June 19, 2007 12:27 PM
Tommy, thanks for visiting. I love how you all still count that psuedo 2003 Championship. Apparently you are all so far above the law that even the league which you all participate in does not apply to you. But whats new, just swallow (just like old Norton) the 13-9 loss. That 4 point win prevented you from playing in the NC game, and it was indeed the Cherry on top thank you for the reminder. Its terrible yes, but not even the LAPD and DA can overturn this result. GO BRUINS!!! 13-9 December 2, 2006.
Posted by: bruinchamp
at June 19, 2007 01:08 PM
BChump -
"psuedo 2003 Championship" - what the hell are you talking about?
In order to get to the real point here, let's forget about the split title in 2003 (of course this logic also eliminates the one measly half-title your school won back in the Truman administration).
How does this help advance ucla football? Again, I'm not trying to take away the win. ACLU won, even though you're stuck with Dullard for another 3 years now. Is this all it takes to be happy with a perpetual 7-6 loser of a football team?
I think Brian's question is a good one. Why don't you try to answer it?
Posted by: Tommy at June 19, 2007 02:07 PM
Bragging rights baby!
Posted by: denise at June 19, 2007 02:12 PM
Senor Dohn,
do you prefer SCOREBOARD? I think it works better because it applies to Basketball, Baseball, and Football. 13-9
Posted by: Anonymous at June 19, 2007 04:11 PM
Brian,
Way to instigate. Fire up the masses for the season. I’m fired up. My players are fired up.
Reading the responses to your post shows the mentality of UCLA football fans and their low expectations year after year.
I know this was posted for the sake of participation, but it’s nice to see you go on record and put it in type. Finally, B-Dohn gets it. Finally, B-Dohn gets me.
Bruin fans forget about SC and focus on the National Championship, the crystal football the whole enchilada. SC should only be considered a trivial speed bump to a BCS Championship and nothing more. I promised a BCS championship and this year we going to get her done, just like I promised.
Posted by: Karl Dorrel at June 19, 2007 09:11 PM
I think it was a pretty huge victory, so I don't mind celebrating it, even if excessively.
I also think it's funny that so many people mention the Emerald Bowl vs. FSU as somehow related to the SC game, as if it tarnished that win, or had any bearing on anything.
It was a middle tier bowl, unimportant, and it honestly didn't matter that much whether we won or lost.
In today's college FB world, all non-BCS bowls are fairly meaningless, the equivalent of the old consolation games in tournaments for the teams that didn't advance.
No one really cares--or should care- that much about the Emerald Bowl.
jmo.
Posted by: coz at June 19, 2007 11:30 PM
You did watch the game didn't you?
As for the players, they should move on. They are supposed to do, EVEN IF THEY HAD WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP. If they expect to keep winning.
Posted by: Franchise at June 20, 2007 03:04 AM
I also think it's funny that so many people mention the Emerald Bowl vs. FSU as somehow related to the SC game, as if it tarnished that win, or had any bearing on anything.
Well, it does prove that your win over SC was a fluke.
It was a middle tier bowl, unimportant, and it honestly didn't matter that much whether we won or lost.
Did you say the same when Wyoming waxed your team too?
Posted by: TW at June 20, 2007 09:57 AM
The fallacy in the premise that we should stop looking back at the 13-9 victory is that this was not just another win over USC. Having followed UCLA football for 50 years, I remember many Bruin wins over USC. What makes this one worth savoring is that it was probably the biggest upset in the history of the series. A few of us thought it was plausible, but this is one game that only the UCLA players thought it would actually happen.
Posted by: Chandavkl at June 20, 2007 05:26 PM
the longer the losing streak prior to the win, the more the celebration after 13-9.
if we had won 3 or 4 in a row, you wouldn't see the 364 days of celebration that you see now.
also, the behavior of the suc fans over the last 7 years has a lot to do with how the Bruin fans react when we win.
had they treated us with class these last 7 years, we would be acting differently now.
it comes down to what it always does, it's basically suc's fault.
Posted by: sc sucks at June 20, 2007 05:51 PM
All you fans expecting more than a 6-6 season, quit your whining. So What? We lost to Fresno, Wyoming and FSU in the last four years. We beat SC once in the last eight years and that's all that matters. It’s adding three more years to my contract so shut the hell up.
Posted by: Karl Dorrel at June 20, 2007 09:27 PM
six months ago, six days ago, six minutes ago, six days from now, six months from now, six years from now and god willing, sixty years from now, my casio will ring me at 8:47am and 8:47pm to remind me of the victory. The amount of crap SC has piled on, life's little victories become better. Who cares if it's overall meaningless, a win is a win.
Posted by: Mike C at June 20, 2007 09:58 PM
The reason why you should care about the Bruins playing in the Emerald Bowl or the Fresno Bowl or the Las Vegas Bowl or the freak’in Humanitarian bowl is their not playing in a BCS Bowl. WHY? Stop being a dill holes and expect more.
Posted by: Bob at June 20, 2007 10:13 PM
tommy, you are a BCS School correct? And you all do participate in the BCS Bowl System, right. By that deduction your 2003 championship is a FARCE!!! You were not in the championship game, you did not lift the crystal ball, no matter what Poll ranked you number one, the fact of the matter is you were NOT national champions, period. So continue to celebrate something imaginary, while we sit back for another six months and jam this 13-9 (tangible, existinent)down your throat. Does that help as to what my answer is regarding Brian?
Untill I die, I will ensure not one Trojan I come into contact with will forget Dec. 2. Just like many of us continue to hear the 66-19 chants. Go Bruins and....
13-9 Baby!!
Posted by: bruinchamp
at June 21, 2007 01:20 PM
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE OUR DEFENSE FINALLY HOLD THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!We didn't have to see them in the title game again! it was a great game and we BEAT THEM FAIR AND SQUARE!!!!
Posted by: denise at June 21, 2007 01:33 PM
I hope all bruin fans enjoy this. Congratulations even to you all. S.C. still played in a BCS game and beat one of the top teams of the '06 season. This UCLA win will turn out to be one of the most important events for this current S.C. regime. It assures all that take the field in the Cardinal and Gold that they cannot take anyone for granted. Even those that are having a average season.... This will certainly be a blessing in disguise for Troy down the road...
Posted by: td4troy at June 21, 2007 02:02 PM
You are a Scarlet Knight, not a Bruin or Trojan. UCLA vs USC is a tradition in Los Angeles and every game adds a new chapter to its history. Your question is like asking if it is relevant to watch ESPN Classic becuase it's all reruns. Anyhow, the mark of a program is based on how it performs on the field. UCLA beat USC convincingly. With that fact, USC can be argued to have the best program in the country based on what they have accomplished in the past years, but UCLA can now be said to be making a move. Yes, it was a mediocre season, but there were a plethora of factors that contributed: new offensive coordinator, an injured quarterback, etc. which contributed to the ups and downs. However, this team grew last year, and I think is primed to assert itself this year and potentially win the Pac-10.
Posted by: Hardbruin at June 21, 2007 03:39 PM
The fact that sc is so prideful of all things cardinal and gold makes it great to rub it in. I personally have been over the win for awhile but revel in that their arrogance over the past 7 years has turned into bitterness. =)
Posted by: Jason at June 21, 2007 04:36 PM
Brian,
I think most of the continued talk about 13-9 is driven by the arrogance of the Johnny-come-lately $UC toejam fan. You know them, fans of the team since the late 90's. Anyway, when Bruins Nation has to stomach the tons of manure spewing from that collective piehole, it makes that win over a heavily-favored toejam squad not only sweet, but it also is egg on the collective faces of the Thundering Turds. Not to mention it made media folks like Kirk Herbqueef and Craig Lames look pretty stupid. Trust me, it's all of the garbage talked before the game that has driven the lingering after effect.
Posted by: brewnz at June 22, 2007 12:18 AM
Speaking of old, the photo on the UCLA page of the Daily News is kind of old. Is there any way we can get that updated to something more recent (and celebratory)?
Posted by: Will at June 22, 2007 02:06 PM
