UCLA football links: Talent vs. wins

UCLA Bruins’ quarterback Josh Rosen fires a pass during the second half against Stanford Cardinal at Rose Bowl Stadium in Pasadena on Saturday, September 24, 2016. (Photo by Ed Crisostomo, Orange County Register/SCNG)

The recruits are signed and the next step is development.

Athlon Sports examined the relationship between recruiting class rankings and winning in the Pac-12 over the past five seasons, finding that, predictably, higher-ranked recruiting classes generally perform better on the field.

However, one of the underachievers was UCLA, which, based on 247Sports’ team composite rankings, had the second-best recruiting classes during the past five recruiting cycles (from 2013-17). But UCLA’s overall record in the past five seasons (2012-16) is 41-24 (0.631) and ranks fifth in the conference.

Below is a chart plotting the recruiting rankings in the Pac-12 against each team’s overall record. The rankings, in accordance the Athlon Sports article, are based on the school’s 247Sports team composite ranking average from the past five recruiting cycles. The purple diagonal line indicates the trend. The teams under the line are general underachievers when it comes to turning talent into wins. 

The relationship between recruiting rankings and winning in the Pac-12. Graphic by Thuc Nhi Nguyen

UCLA is the most underachieving team, identifiable by the team’s distance from the trend line, when relating recruiting class rankings and wins, while Utah and Stanford are the most overachieving. The Utes have the eighth-best recruiting rankings, but are sixth in overall record (0.603). The Cardinal had the fourth-best recruits with the best overall record.

Colorado’s 2016 season was on outlier as the Buffaloes won the Pac-12 South with some of the lowest-ranking recruiting classes in the conference. As a result, they signed their best class of head coach Mike MacIntyre‘s tenure this year. We’ll have to see what impact that has on Colorado’s on-field results going forward.

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  • TK Bruin

    Yep. Painful to look at. I suppose a fair comparison would factor in key injuries. We’ve had more than our share…

    • Chevalis

      No more than Utah. And here is the irony of your statement. Better recruiting means more depth.

    • TK Bruin

      As @Fish mentioned, when players leave early, that also affects the talent pool. It would be great to see these also factored in.

  • JustOwns

    Mora FB?

    • gotroy22

      Why is WSU doing more with less? Hmmmmm….

      • 88 Straight

        Unlike you who does less with less. And that isn’t a trend either. It’s the norm for you.

        • gotroy22

          Kissy86er is off the charts. No one has ever been given more and done less than that lib loser.

          • Richard

            Death to the Tyrant.
            All power to the people

          • gotroy22

            Death to Hillary? Amen.

  • Fish

    Over half of the great 2013 recruiting class, would-be seniors, were not on the roster last year (NFL, transfers). That includes 4 OL. Thats why 2016 recruiting class was so big – and most of them redshirted last year. So long as team stays together, and youngsters step up, the future looks bright. Can’t wait to hear new names making contributions next year.

  • Coach Thom

    Looking forward to Spring training. That should provide a reliable guide for evaluating our chances this season. I’m quietly optimistic.

  • Richard

    Blah blah this, blah blah that.

    None of it matters in the absence of a Dr Jekyll – Mr Hyde type transformation of the OL.

    Soooo, will a year of experience and some added weight and strength turn these sow’s ears into silk purses ???
    Of the “new” folks, maybe Wariboko finally comes around or Paco Perez / Mike Alvez surprises. Surely too early for true freshman Stephan Zabie but he looks like a comer.

    If not, look for Rosen to stay down and take an early exit rather than ruin his career.

    On a brighter note, it is very clear that the staff has been out recruiting much harder than last year at the same time.
    We have handed out an inordinately large # offers to recruits over the last several weeks.

    • j metaphor

      That’s why they call him “Richard”

      • Richard

        Actually “They call me Mr Tibbs” but I don’t mind what they call me as long as they don’t call me “Late for dinner”

        • gotroy22

          You are Dickie the Libtard.

    • 88 Straight

      As bad as our OL play was last year, we were in the vast majority of our games. We have a new OC, OL coach and WR coach. If we can field a solid D and an improved offense, we should see solid improvement.

      • Richard

        Agree, and that is prob what will happen.

        I do seem to sense an urgency amongst his new hires. They are “offering” early, a large # of very good Hi Sch FB players a scholie. Get on them early and often & u increase ur chances.

        Coach A. McClure is very good at that.
        Boss Tagaloa was a huge get altho Jaelin Phillips gets most of the credit for getting Greg Rogers.

        Altho we’re coming off a 4-8 season UCLA can continue to boast that we can get u to the Pros better than anybody else.
        # Takk & Fabian – 1st or 2nd Round, EV maybe 2nd, no worse than 3rd Round, Jayon may even go before McDermott whose seems to be Kris Faris 2.0. Never like Faris. McD is still pretty good in pass pro but can’t run block, at all !

      • gotroy22

        Hey Bad Luck Schleprock, a wise man once said, “Bad teams lose close games” Another wise man said, “Bad team man, you’ve got a bad bleepin’ team.”

        • 88 Straight

          And the margins can be very thin.

          Just a few more seconds of oxygen when you were born and you could have been normal.

          • gotroy22

            Just one sperm made that wrong turn and hit that egg and conceived you, Bad Luck Schleprock. Otherwise you would have been spared your long miserable life of stupidity and shame.

          • 88 Straight

            Sarah Silverman has far better material than you.

          • gotroy22

            The arihead Sarah Silverman is considered a wise person by libs like you.

          • 88 Straight

            No. She’s just funnier and smarter than you.

            Your boy was very impressive yesterday. A lie a minute. That’s not easy to do.

          • Richard

            Saban is trying to steal our new OC Jedd Fisch to replace Sark as Alabama OC.
            Fisch is a superstar. WE CAN’T LOSE HIM …pleeeeeeeaze

          • 88 Straight

            I have heard that. Hope we can hang on to him. Alabama can probably offer a ton of cash and talent, but working for Saban isn’t for everyone.

          • Richard

            Thinking 70-30 he stays.
            He has a wife and THREE daughters who were all ecstatic over the prospect of coming to LA ! + he uprooted his bud Jimmy Daugherty to come to UCLA from Ore.
            My friend Bob Stiles has golfed w him and thinks he is the sharpest tool in the shed.

          • 88 Straight

            You may recall that Bobby is a friend of mine as well. He certainly is a character. Not sure what to make of that recommendation.

          • Richard

            LOL LOL
            He certainly does play to the tune of his own drum to the exclusion of all reason a lot of the time – hence…..he’s a big Trumpster.
            I gave him notice of what is happening re Fisch
            I’m invited to sit in the front row at Bill Maher’s tonight. Wearing a white shirt w/ blue cross bars. He’s having that Breitbart hatemonger who got thrown off the UC Berkeley campus.

          • 88 Straight

            Don’t mention Bill Maher around GoTroll22. He will lose it. He thinks Reagan was a liberal.

          • gotroy22

            Kissy86er thinks that Sarah Silverman is conservative.

          • 88 Straight

            Nope, but he too is smarter than you. But again, that’s a very long list

          • gotroy22

            Speaking of smart, it was Big Fun watching Milo school your hero Donkey Face and his cast of libs last night. I heard you sobbed uncontrollably as you finally passed out in your recliner chair Friday night.

          • 88 Straight

            Milo did look to be your type. All hype and no substance. Very tame actually, but good makeup. Maybe you have a shot.

          • gotroy22

            Being an authoritarian leftist thug you consider the topic of free speech to be “no substance.”

          • 88 Straight

            Like I said, he seemed very tame. Faux shock value. Remember, I’m old. I come from the Richard Pryor and George Carlin era of people not afraid to offend people. People that pushed the boundaries and actually had substance and a sense of humor.

            Milo seems like your type. All hype with little substance. Nobody to be taken seriously. I don’t know why the Berkeley-ites would need to censor that guy. You have a tendency to confuse me with those of your generation that are extremely sensitive about people with different ideas. In your case, you’re just incapable of a cogent argument.

          • gotroy22

            By tame you libs mean civilized. You come from the era when libs pretended that they cared about free speech. Remember when the ACLU and all good libs defended the right of the Nazis to march in Skokie, Illinois? Now we know it was all a pose until you could gain power. It turns out you are intolerant little fascists at heart.

          • gotroy22

            mic drop!

          • 88 Straight

            There’s probably medication for that.

          • gotroy22

            For your constant shaming? Nope, nothing can save you from further humiliation unless you adopt the Robert Duran “No Mas” defense.

          • 88 Straight

            And they still do defend the free speech of your friends that marched in Skokie. It’s called the First Amendment. I’m sure the Klan voted for Trump. The funny thing is, Trump isn’t a fan of that whole freedom of the press thing.

          • gotroy22

            It figures you are one of those braying lib yahoos on Maher’s hatefest. You must have cheered that night that Bill Maher lectured America that the hijackers that slammed planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were “not cowardly,” but the folks “lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away” – which so happened to be “American servicemen” – ARE cowards.

            You libs are such patriots when you want to be.

          • gotroy22

            Kissy86er is the ruin version of the name dropping Jacqui the trans on Inside USC,

          • 88 Straight

            I’m sure it bothers you that some people have friends.

          • gotroy22

            I’m sure it bothers you that people know you were the real life inspiration fot the cartoon Commander McBragg.

          • gotroy22

            I’m sure it bothers you that you were the real life inspiration for the cartoon “Commander McBragg”.

          • 88 Straight

            Cartoons. Now I’m sure that’s right up your alley.

          • gotroy22

            I was trying to use an illustration someone of your limited mental facilities could understand as senile dementia closes in.

          • 88 Straight

            And you went to familiar territory to display your intelligence. Cartoons. Speaks volumes.

          • gotroy22

            And you have the boxed set of Commander McBragg cartoons which speaks volumes about your intelligence, Bad Luck Schleprock. Have you decided yet which team you will be rooting for tonight?

          • 88 Straight

            Sorry, but I don’t speak Comic Con.

          • gotroy22

            Sure you do. I hear you dress up as Bad Luck Schleprock and car pool with Golly Nerd to the local Comic Cons and give him tips on his Wookie costume,

          • gotroy22
          • gotroy22

            Working for a program that last won a national championship when Eisenhower was president and a Rose Bowl when Reagan was president isn’t for everybody either, Kissy86er.

          • 88 Straight

            Even longer since SC won a National Title in basketball. People were putting pen to paper for the Book of Genesis more recently than that. Now that’s what I Cal a trend!

          • gotroy22

            “Now that’s what I Cal a trend!” Early dementia, Kissy86er?

          • 88 Straight

            It’s called typing on an iPhone. Care to comment on the history of SC basketball. You have the same number of NC’s as CSUN.

          • gotroy22

            No, it’s called you being a brainless rah rah, Kissy86er. You have more excuses for your miscues than Hillary has for blowing the election.

          • 88 Straight

            Sad and lonely boy. Watching cartoons?

          • gotroy22

            Would you call Hillary blowing the Democratic nomination in 2008 and the presidential election in 2016 a “TREND”, Kissy86er?

          • 88 Straight

            The only blow*#g involved Trump and Putin with a little peepee party on the side.

          • gotroy22

            Kissy86er is going blue since he can’t win an argument. No wonder the moderator deleted that obscene post of yours.

          • 88 Straight

            I don’t read your fake news sites. Your KGB contacts were in the tank for Trump because Trump is their boy. Enjoy. The truth will come out one way or another.

          • gotroy22

            Amazing! We finally both agree on something, Kissy86! I agree with you that the New York Times is a Fake News site. The truth is coming out that this was just another media squirrel now that it was revealed today that Jimmy Carter also did the same thing.Enjoy your latest media fail.

          • 88 Straight

            No link?

            I found it on Breitbart. There was a quote from the Times. Where did it claim the Iranians hacked the Republicans and tried to help Obama win the election. I missed that part.

          • gotroy22

            Try Google. It’s this amazing new thing that allows you to search for any topic.

          • 88 Straight

            I did dipbrain. And the Breitbart article came up. I guess you couldn’t show how the Iranians helped Obama. Did the Iranians force McCain to select Palin? Do you know how to post a link?

          • gotroy22

            Why should I help a hypocritical lying lib like you? Do your own leg work, Sore Loserman Clinton Intern.

          • 88 Straight

            Because you cited it as a NY Times article. Provide the link or we will all know you made it up.

            Again, did it show how they helped Obama win?

          • gotroy22

            First you tell us Disqus won’t allow you to link and not you are ordering me to give you links? You are great at proving yourself a liar once again, Bad Luck Schleprock!

          • 88 Straight

            Proving again that you are afraid. You claimed NY Times and it was Breitbart. Now dodging. You are a joke.

          • gotroy22

            I claimed New York Times for the source of Obama’s illegal contacts with the terrorist group Hamas because even a full mooner lib like you wouldn’t be able to destroy your beloved NY Slimers. You must be especially proud of Obama promoting Islamic terrorist states and organizations.

          • 88 Straight

            Nice try. You used Breitbart. No surprise and off topic. The problem was the Russians actively worked to elect Trump.

            Flynn is just stupid. He lied to the VP and the FBI. Initially. Of all people, he should have known the call was recorded. Stupid.

          • gotroy22

            I heard Dumb and Dishonest are the names of your two children before you changed teams and expressed yopur true self to the world, Kissy86er.

            Listen to you rant your conspiracy theories! You are pathetic!

          • gotroy22
          • gotroy22

            Google New York Times “Aide’s Return to White House Reflects Changing U.S. Role in Middle East
            By MARK LANDLERFEB. 18, 2014 ” and read all about candidate Obama’s contacts with Hamas. I’m sure you will call for an investigation and demand that Obama be prosecuted for Treason.

          • gotroy22

            Sarah Silverman is a deluded linb just like you, Kissy86er.

            I heard you soiled yourself when Trump destroyed your pals in the lib media at the news conference yesterday. Now you Faux Cold Warriors can move on to your next media squirrel to chase.

  • gotroy22

    It’s Deja Vu. I swear I read that post somehere before.

  • Pete

    The one that won three was never recruited by UCLA. Beban was the best QB UCLA has ever recruited. We all know how he did in the NFL. 9-3 beats 4-8 any day.

  • Sandy Underpants

    We’ve had the 2nd best recruiting classes of the past 5 years? That’s amazing news because we weren’t in the top 10 in any year, so it seems like we wouldn’t be averaging #2. I guess Puff Daddy Jr and Snoop Dog Jr and the like really hurt us when those superstars didn’t show up for us. We could’ve been somebody.