Quick Thought

How come no one who thinks the Pac-12 officials were biased against USC don’t mention that chop-block penalty that called back a Stanford touchdown? If the officials were biased, wouldn’t they have let it go?

48 thoughts on “Quick Thought

  1. Is it possible that Larry Scott is coming down harder this year on the incompetent Pac-12 officials?

  2. Officials are not the problem. The NCAA and their harebrained penalty regime are the problem.

  3. Someday penalties will be broken down into two sets: did the infraction contribute to the success of the play or did it not?

    If it did, then the play is nullified; if it did not, then the penalty will be assessed from the point of the completion of the play.

    • God I hope not. That’s soccer. That is such a judgment call from officials whose judgment I already have so little faith in. I’d hate to see football go this direction.

  4. Stanford’s o-line holds and chop blocks so much, it’s freakin amazing they got called for 2 chop blocks during this game. Also, on that play in the 4th quarter, there was a blatant false start by Andrus Peat (#70) that should have been called. It’s amazing refs didn’t even see that.

    • was thinking the same thing Rick. When the flag was thrown I thought it was a delayed call on that false start. That was one of 3 false starts on that drive they didn’t call.

  5. It was pretty blatant, had they not called it I imagine Haden would have got totally berzerk, along with Sark.

  6. there’s too much people in this room. i liked where was we at. but it wasn’t. how comes we doesn’t realize the bestest where it could?

  7. Simple, the officials weren’t biased. PAC-12 referees stink. That is no secret. Also, it wasn’t a chop block. It was a bad call that took a Stanford TD off the board. It had a large impact on the game but one never knows what would have followed. SC might have just found a way to score a TD rather than a FG. It’s all speculation.

    Stanford’s self implosions were more costly than the refs mistakes and SC capitalized on them. The game is over Scotty. Time to move on.

    • How wasn’t it a chop block? He was blocked by one person above the waste and another person cut blocked (thigh-level or lower) him at the same time. It was a chop block.

      • The guy picked up the blitz and blocked him low. The other guy came in high and completely whiffed on the block. Didn’t touch him. Not even a close.

        I suggest you watch the replay. They simply blew the call, which is not unusual for PAthetiC-12 refs.

        • I watched it and rewatched the play. When I first saw it I thought it would be a holding call. From that angle (during the play ) I saw a defender full head of steam with a clear shot at the QB go down suddenly. There was no whiff on the replay and the announcers on TV were saying it was a whiff. It was a judgement call which can’t be overturned. As for costing the game… Stanford pretty much did that themselves.
          Finally the refs always screw the team you are rooting for it doesn’t matter who they are.

          • Look at my entire 1st post. I didn’t say it cost Stanford the game. It was a key play and a bad call as pointed out the next cay by everyone on College Football Daily. But yes, Stanford hurt themselves even more.

          • Sark outsmarted and outcoached Shaw, who is just too damn conservative. I was very surprised. It gives a Trojan reason to smile.

            Wait until you get a piece of Stanford. You’ll wonder what it actually felt like to play against teams like Virginia and Memphis.

          • I thought Shaw coached a horrible game against Stanford as he did against MSU in the Rose Bowl. My brother is a Stanford PhD and he was losing his mind with that level of conservatism. You can’t just overpower everybody. Sometimes you need to play of of that….naked bootleg anyone…with the TE in the flat?

            SC still had to stop it but it was clear to everyone what was coming. No imagination on Shaw’s part.

          • Indeed, Shaw has been his own worst enemy. In some ways, he is the perfect coach to me. But he’s got to become a gamblin’ man sometimes, I think he will actually, unless he goes to the NFL where conservatism is unduly rewarded.

          • I don’t think they drill us. I think we will see improvement during the year. If not, I will need to take up drinking.

          • So, what’s your final take on ucla’s season? How many regular season games will they lose and to whom? You sound like you still think they’ll improve enough to take the Pac-12 South and lose to Oregon.

          • Honestly, I have no clue. The first two games have certainly tempered my enthusiasm. The ASU game will give us more of an indication.

            SC looks good but depth could be a problem. But, with the Stanford win and not having to play Oregon probably gives SC the inside track. Just don’t sleep on the road games at Utah and Arizona. WSU isn’t looking like a tough game.

            Saw an interesting side note. Mora ‘ s daughter is a freshman at SC. That’s probably a first.

          • I’m sure she wasn’t smart enough for ucla. We’ll take her. If genes mean anything, she’ll compete to the death.

          • Maybe SC offered her some money. She must be a good student. Has a brother at Claremont McKenna. Also highly rated by US News. I’m guessing that Mora doesn’t have a hatred of SC. Just wants to win.

          • I’ll go one further.

            Wolf’s ordained “best coach in the conference” was downright Kiffin-esque that game. His red zone management was the worst I’ve seen since Kiffin v Notre Dame

        • Normally I would agree, but Fowler and Herbstreit were both pretty convinced (or at least the guy they interviewed–I don’t recall his name, but the one who covers official rules for them) that any high/low block is now a chop block. There’s no doubt it wasn’t a textbook chop block–when the high blocker is engaged and the low one goes for the knees. But it sounds like they may have changed the rule (or its interpretation) that any high/low block will be called.

          But there was an illegal motion from the Stanford O Line to start the play. They definitely blew THAT one (and there were 2 or 3 motion plays not called on that drive).

    • Chopblock penalty = Terrible call that cost Stanford the game.

      If the defender runs into an opposing blocker = no chop block.

    • Stanford’s gonna drill you, making it #7 in a row. You’ll lose four games this season. There’s no sense in you even going to the Rose Bowl for the Oregon game.

      Your team looks horrible, is now referred to by Mora as “the underdogs” and has shown it can’t take the big “burden” of the expectations placed on it as a top 10 team – so the little gutties have already been moved into the second tier, with further downward spiraling to come. Even USC, with a new coach who supposedly can’t win more than seven games a year, is viewed as better than ucla.

      You’ll probably say Virginia and Memphis are under-rated. I saw the games. Neither the Cavs nor the Tigers are any good and they won’t beat good teams.

      • A little to early to celebrate for SC in my eyes Jacky B. Bruins have looked terrible, no argument there. But it is very early. Strange things can happen.

        As I said in another thread, SC was favored to win last year at the Coliseum after upsetting Stanford with UCLA coming off a tough loss to ASU. Orgeron was being anointed as the next SC HC. It didn’t quite turn out that way.

        As of this moment, SC clearly looks better. But, predictions are funny things and it is still way too early in my view.

        • You obviously don’t appreciate what I do, and that was that ucla was significantly better than USC last year. I couldn’t care less who was favored. ucla was gonna win. And you’re dead wrong. Orgeron was NOT being anointed as the next Trojan coach. Most of the Trojans I hang with knew Orgeron would not be picked by Haden for many reasons. Not everything’s public. When Orgeron was told he wasn’t the man, Haden knew right then he would have never worked.

          And I’m not trying to celebrate USC. The Trojans have a lot to prove and better keep improving or else. Their youth does have me encouraged. Adoree, JuJu, Damien, Toa – I like.

          The little gutties just look bad, especially on the OL. Anything’s possible of course, but you’re QB’s been bragging forever how his team is on the verge of greatness. Verge of mediocrity is more like it.

          You’re lucky Texas isn’t any good. Actually, you’re lucky you’re not playing BYU.

          • We will see. We have a lot of work to do and our OC needs to make some major changes in his game planning and play calling. He has been very vanilla for 2 games assuming easy wins. I haven’t seen ANY of the creativity displayed like the game plan against SC.

            We have a mobile QB that we don’t roll out. Makes no sense to me. I am not a huge Hundley booster. Seems to me he has been propped up WAY too high, especially the Heisman talk. Mariota is much better in my eyes. He needs to beat Oregon and Stanford and then there is something to talk about.

            Memphis and Virginia may indeed be better than we think, however they are not good enough to play a top 10 team that closely. Clearly, we aren’t a top 10 team at this point OR top 12. For all we know, ASU may be better than both of us. It will all play out.

  8. Cool Aid Drinking Sunshine pumping RAH RAH’s only ever see things ONE WAY…It all started a long long time ago when mommy patted him on his head and told him he was a very special young man…..and he believes it to this day.
    fit Un U Knuckleheads!

    • SUCC will draft Roger Goodell as a special SUCC Trustee, and also hire Goodell to head the SUCC’s Athletic Programs Compliance Dept.

      Institutional control and Athletic Compliance is our number one goal, said Pat Haden.

  9. I re-watched the game last night on ESPNU. Except for Sark’s penalty, every call was technically justifiable. Pullard’s targeting was technically a penalty, but considering that on the first drive of the MSU-UO game an MSU player clearly lead with the helmet and targeted an UO receiver (who was already down), and it was not called, his penalty was ticky-tacky.

    Pac-12 refs suck. They call far too many penalties.

    • I agree the Pac-12 refs call a lot of penalties. But I disagree on the Pullard call. He lead with the head, and honestly I hope this suspension finally teaches him not to. They have to get rid of the targeting in the game.

      The MSU call was a blown call, plain and simple. It should have been called he should be sitting out this week.

  10. How come no commentary on Roger Goodell’s cover-up – man a cool $40 mil. for 2012 – no ombudsman – he’s the prosecutor judge and jury as well as appeal branch for any infraction deemed worthy of the NFL review.

    Pride goeth before destruction – Prov. 16:18

  11. THE real question should be what the evidence over the years supports…HOW DID THE PAC 12 AND STANFORD manage to steal that game 4 yrs ago with the admitted intentional wrong time keeping to allow the game winning field goal and no repercussions whatsoever…BECAUSE THERE IS A BIAS…why is SC usually the most penalized ??? if that was not a chop block it was close enough in real time to look like one to me…

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