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Look, if you don’t think the coaching was an issue the first four games, the chickens came home to roost tonight. When do the coaches make anyone better? This is why they needed to rotate more. All the subs playing for first time. Let’s throw to Josh Imatorbhebhe, who we never played all season. Not the kid’s fault. It’s the coaching!

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  5. Reiterate the failure to punch it in from the 2 after the INT was the cause if the loss. Plus phony offensive PI calls of course.

    • just finished speed-watching the game. again, why we start games for the Pac-12 for a 10:30 PM start time in the east is beyond me. Agree looks like we have a o-line that can’t do the most basic thing in football–fire out low and hard against the d-line to get a yard or two…. these officials were right up there with the Stanford crew–I bet that ref was so happy, he couldn’t sleep all night with the crappy calls/non-calls he was able to get away with against SC.

  6. Some of the players played their hearts out. The O- line, and therefore the team, has a bright future. I think the Wazzou goal line stance was big. Scotttt Lobo, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Congratulations, USC lost.

  7. Wolf is so happy right now. He has so much to write about. He loves this. Even if the Trojans won the game , he would be complaining. So , what if they lost 3 starting offensive lineman in 48 hours. I ‘m happy for you wolf man rip them apart!!

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  9. Darnold has been covering up Helton’s deficiencies for a year. Helton looked like a deer in the headlights in the fourth quarter. That call to run on third down on the second to the last drive was ridiculous. Elmer Fudd will really be exposed next year when Sam is in the NFL.

    • We keep letting weaker teams defenses call the shots. I can’t believe with persistence we can’t keep running the ball to get a rhythm

      • WSU came out tight in the first half, dropping easy passes and Falk was getting pressured into bad throws, but we didn’t put them away then. It became that classic trap game on the road frightmare when you allow a lesser team to stay in the game and they rise up and knock you off.

    • You really think the way Sam is playing he is heading to the NFL next year? Bad decision making does not get a QB drafted high. He should have had multiple INT’s last night and those are all on him.

  10. Tee Martin needs to go. Give the O to little brother Ty.

    I don’t care if he’s an awesome recruiter. If he can’t do the X’s and O’s on game day (as evidenced by tonight’s game) then he should not be on the staff at all.

    Tonight was as ugly an offensive game call as you’ll ever see. Remove Tee and all remnants of this putrid Lane/Sark offense and just go in another direction offensively.

    That draw up the middle on 3rd and 13 is all you need to know about Tee Martin’s acumen as an OC. Disgusting.

  11. Too many injuries Sam has been very average. Has happy feet, does not make great throws. But SW will inevitably blame coaches.

    • A lot of fans are understandably having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that a big part of tonight’s loss is on Sam. Maybe with time they’ll be able to view tonight’s performance more objectively. Right now we have a few dozen people saying he looked fine —it was everybody else’s fault.

      • Not Sam’s fault by no means. Sam didn’t call the plays, but he keeps taking the BLAME for poor play calling. Tee Martin and Heton can’t read defenses…Sam has been saving Tee Martin and Helton from poor calling since he took over last year. Now Tee Martin and Helton have been exposed because Sam is tired of bailing them out game after game.

      • Sam pulled a rabbit out of his hat after the coaches called a run on 3rd and 13. Put the blame on the coaches where it belongs.

        • That’s a big part. Sam is a small part. But they are both partly responsible (although, Sam is having trouble BECAUSE of the attempt by the coaches to radically alter his style of play—so, in a sense, it is ALL on the coaches).

    • Why do you blame the players instead of the coaches? We have talent that is being squandered against the likes of Western Michigan and Cal.

      • There is no shortage of blame to go around for last night. Coaches can’t coach and it is time to start questioning the heart of many of these players. This game was theirs to take at any point.

    • You’re right on both counts. The officiating will always be bad —we need to make up the difference with our quality of play. Tonight that didn’t happen.

  13. Wolf cannot say it. I will.

    Darnold had a terrible game. This one is on the QB. He missed reads. He overthrew receivers. His reactions to a fast defense was slow.

    I won’t defend the playcalling (especially on the goal line failure in the first half.). But this one is on poor offensive execution.

    • Either hes got an injury that hasnt been revealed, or whatever Jordan Palmer did to his throwing motion has ruined him.

    • Agreed. He also doesn’t go through progressions. He locks in and throws it there. Happy feet as well.

      • What would any QB do if they are running for their life. It’s the Offensive Scheme and I for one believe Sam is tired of bailing Tee Martin and Helton out for horrible play calling and lack of receivers development.

        • I texted a friend of mine at the beginning of the 4th quarter. He was thinking the game was going to be very close.

          I responded that USC may not have enough left in the tank for 4 of the last 5 games in a row. We can’t consistently use all time-outs and give the ball to Sam with under 2 minutes and expect to win.

          I see way to many resembles with Barkley’s senior year and this year. The coaching staff basically regressed. The play calling is becoming more and more predictable.

          We need a rehash. We need to simplify the play book, but be more creative in it. And while we are at it, can we please scrap off the flea flicker. It only works against us. I haven’t seen it gain us more than a short first down under Clay Helton. We lost an offensive lineman, thanks to it!

    • Really? You people crack me up because you have no clue as to what you’re talking about. I don’t care who you have playing QB. When you’re playing with three inexperienced offensive lineman and receiving corps, it’s going to be a struggle. I.E. On the interception the receiver ran a crappy route and that allowed the DB to undercut the route and make the play.

      • Wait! Steve Mason on ESPN radio said yesterday that even the second and third team SC players were better than any players Washington State could put on the field. Does that mean he doesn’t know what he is talking about? Oh my God, the sky is falling!

        Enjoy your weekend. Don’t kick Sophie to many times

        • If you listen to a Jackwagon like Steve mason then you need to reevaluate. Speaking of Sophie, tell your wife that she needs to do a better job of washing my chonies.

      • Wrong. Sam literally stared him down on a long out route and then the pass was under thrown. Recipe for INT every time.

        • Long route? It was a 12 yard out route that the receiver rounded instead of coming back to catch the ball at 10 yards. He does that the ball is on the money.

    • Disagree, it is the o line and play calling. Darnold can’t do anything when he is being chased or the online won’t push anyone out of the way or the play calling falls right into the opposing defense. Martin and Calloway have seen all the blitzes before and they haven’t adjusted. To not have a back to help pick up the blitz us on Martin

    • Darnold is Houdini out there at times. I thought of Elway and Favre when that last drive started. Neither he, nor the do any of the great backs, have a chance with poor Oline play. You can’t expect a whole lot with out good Oline play.

  14. Well that sucked we did not play well, yes we had more than our share of injury. But we did not play well with what we had, way below potential. I do not feel we got much help from the coaches in play calling on the offense or defense. Yes Sam had a ruff game but you can not put any of it on him he got little or no help from the rest of the team and that includes coaches, Play calling was poor from start to finish. The game is over lets get ready for the next one FIGH ON

  15. i feel so ALIVE and TINGLY!!!!!

    and when i say TINGLY, i mean ALL OVER my body!!! if you KNOW what i MEAN!!!!!

    (spinning around, hands out looking up at sky)
    I feel so ALIVE, i really DOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

    #OhItsTRUE!!!!!!

  16. SW is correct. It was not Josh’s fault, Sam threw poor pass, in fact many many of them. I still wouldn’t trade him for any other QB, but he has not played well.

  17. We have to become a great 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter team. Saban would never say we are a great 4th quarter team.

  18. All of our goals are still possible, but damn.

    We just couldn’t stop them on third down and all the pressure we were getting in the first half disappeared. Also, it’s hard to believe we can’t get better push against these smallish defensive lines.

    Sam should’ve seen that blitz, but he was focused on one side of the field when he had a receiver underneath dragging across the middle. Tough way for it to end and a tough loss. I called it wrong.

      • The D ALMOST won it for us, Arturo. But they needed a little help from the coaches on offense….

      • Yeah, but Faulk had too much time in the second half. We had him rattled a little bit in the first half and then they started throwing short, quick passes to mitigate the rush. They Caledonia a good game against us on both sides.

        • Their play calling adjusted. They started throwing a lot to the outside and when the D adjusted, they ran it up the middle. Fatigue hit the Dline especially hard.

          • We knew the job up there was dangerous when we took it. Wash St is no playoff team though, and I don’t think anyone in the PAC 12 is right now.

          • Maybe Washington, Clay. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when they play Oregon and UCLA and Stanford back to back.

          • They’ll be a different team on the road and I’m not sure how you get so far in the season without a road game though. 5 straight home games??

          • Right, but I think Bama, Clemson and Okla are the top 3 and either the PAC 12 or Big 10 winner would get the 4th slot. I think the big 10 winner would rightfully go ahead of wash.

  19. Three True Freshmen finishing the game on the O-line. I am not worried about a College Football Playoff. If SC wins out, they could still be there…

  20. Heres wher Chris Petersen is better . In the first four games he played his second and third stringers after the third quarter

    • So tired of hearing this! Peterson is NOT better. Watch him fall when the Cougars come to Seattle. The Cougs are legit, that’s all there is to it. washington has not been battle tested

    • I’m was surprised Gomer was able to beat Petersen in that game last year. Regardless, I still think Petersen is the better coach.

  21. Jack B. was very high on this season because he was impressed with what Sam did last year. Jack (and all the rest of us) could not have imagined that the coaching staff would try to make Sam into something he isn’t (and never will be): a stay- in- the pocket, NFL style passer. Sam is an athletic, mobile college quarterback. No more, no less. And that would have been enough for a great 2017.
    So now we’re left with a tentative, somewhat confused quarterback and a team riddled with injuries (what is with our physical training ?— practically nobody’s had a bye yet —-and we have more starters out than any other team I’m following) and, at best, the ninth best coaching staff in the Pac 12.

  22. Lets see we lost to a team with mostly three star recruits vs our 4 and 5 star recruits. So seems onvious about the blame?

  23. I think Helton’s true inability to coach was stunningly revealed by tonight’s game! He’s just not a big time coach for winning national championships. He’s way too average to do that. The words “mediocre” and “wishy-washy” come to mind.

    • This team is nowhere near the “national championship” conversation…. Even with John McKay coaching it. Let’s be clear.

          • McKay has been gone for a few decades. Nobody knows what he would’ve done with this team. How’s that for a point?

          • Last night Sam didn’t perform. Falk looked like a genuine nfl caliber QB, Sam didn’t for sure. Ya, lots of circumstances making Sam look bad, but last night Sam didn’t help himself.

          • He saved the coaching staff with that 4th and 13 scramble/throw. The coaches didn’t perform calling a run on 3rd and 13.

          • Or being unable to put the ball in the end zone with 1st and goal at the TWO.

            Sam didn’t play a good game, especially his glaring inability to throw deep. Receivers fault? Not always.

      • I am sorry Lamont, everyone said the same thing a year ago with Browne. Most said it was not Browne, but it was the team. Sam took over and rest was a year.

        However, Sam had a free pass last year, because he had to rescue the season. This year, the coaching staff coached Sam, almost they coached him down.

        Do people also realize in the last few games, the play breaks down, Sam tries to scramble and runs into one of our offensive line and then get sacked?

        I don’t know. Why is Sam not allowed to audible his own play? We had to call a time-out when he wanted an audible, but it had to come from the sideline!

        • Very good analysis, Burak. I think a lot of people want to let the coaching staff off the hook for the pi** poor job they did getting Sam and the o-line ready for this season.

          • It makes you wonder, since they never ran the same play. I don’t like seeing Sam so frustrated.

          • Sam and the rest of the team need to work themselves out of that frustration. .

          • Clay, I saw the same frustration on Jake Browning’s a year ago against USC and Alabama. Remember Browning scrambled for his life and fell of with out a contact?

            Sam was running from frustration. I felt like coaches were trying to keep Sam contained. They don’t want him to take off very often. But he had to ignore eventually.

            Also Sam’s final fumble was Jake’s safety/intentional grounding.

            I think this year is all on coaches.

            Clay is amazing, but he needs to clean the house. Offensive-line and wide receivers seem to not improve. In fact, Tim Drevno had no problem lighting up PAC 12 defensive lines with Viane and Toa, when he was at USC. Why can’t Callaway do that?

          • I’m not sure how good Callaway is, but the fact that there are so many injuries on the line offers a fig leaf for him.

      • Scott Wolf was right, let’s be clear. I wish he wasn’t but he warned us. I drank the Kool-aid and believed we would run the table and Sam would be th Heisman Trophy winner.

    • Don’t know if I agree with you about Helton. Maybe he will load the cupboards for the next coach. He and the staff are excellent at recruiting.

      • Well, it appears that you overestimate Helton. I guarantee you that you’ll change your mind about him pretty soon. And as for recruiting it’s more SC recruiting itself, not so much Helton and his staff. Proof? Even jokers Kiffin and Sark pulled in many top 3 classes.

        • Why would he leave on his own. Paid very well and the head coach will never fire him. Unfortunately nobody will hire him away from us.

          • Unless he has some sort of awakening he will realize it is time to move on or go back to coaching WRs.
            But then again, he is not real bright, so you may be right.

        • Who else would want Tee calling plays – maybe some low-mid major because of his recruiting ability. I’m afraid we’re stuck with him. I don’t see Helton addressing this obvious problem soon.

          • Jack, the team is 4-1. Many here were delusional from the start. You were not one of them. You knew that team had holes and inexperience, and had not completely left the sanctions behind.

            You correctly concluded that SD was/is #1 in USC QB history, or certainly “win, place, or show”. Just because of him you saw a rare opportunity, which you hoped would not go to waste (still will likely leave after 2017), despite the other team issues.

            For whatever reason, USC has suffered key injuries, and lots of injuries. Given the initial holes and inexperience, that was perhaps the worst thing that could happen, in terms of your hope becoming reality.

            Do I see greatness in USC’s current coaching? No. But I think you would agree that it’s not merely a coaching issue. It may not even be primarily a coaching issue.

    • That 3rd and 13 up the middle call will go down in infamy. Darnold bailed our OC out with the miracle 4th and 13 pass to Tyler Vaughns. But finally our miracles ran out after the Cougs marched down the field on our gassed defense and made what proved to be the winning field goal.

        • The stupidity of that 3rd and 13 call epitomized the bad play calling. The Pirate trusted in his quarterback while we got too cute.

          • And that call was supposedly from “The Next Best Thing in Coaching Football” according to a certain coaching trainee. lol.

          • The 3rd down call, the 1st and goal at the two and Martin play called USC into a field goal. Game loser right there. A TD there could been the difference. A head coach has to finally say enough of that crap.

  24. Like I said in a previous post, these are not the guys to win a natty. They will win 9-10 or even 11 games and will win the South most of the time. If USC fans are comfortable with that, then theses are your guys. There are schools that have gone this way before. Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Frank Beamer and Mark Richt have had long successful careers. My opinion is Tyson Helton would be a better OC. While at West. Kentucky he moved the ball on anybody. Even on a good defense LSU team bout 3-4 years ago.
    327 total yards aginstva aversge defense liked the one they faced tonight is pretty bad in this day and age for college football….Fight On!

  25. There’s a lot to say, but how about this: If USC scores a touchdown after the pick by Uchenna Nwosu at the goal line, we win 31-30. Instead they call some rediculous pass on 2nd down that almost gets picked…wow

  26. And did you notice when USC FINALLY took the ball over center, they got a first down with Darnold falling forward. Where’s THAT been all year??!

  28. You’re just sore that you missed on this game. If you were so confident in the coaches being crap, you should have picked Wazzou. You didn’t. That being said, boy, do we need Daniel back at TE. And we need a healthy O-Line. Tyler Vaughns? Should have been targeted on every 2nd throw. Sam? Not the same QB as last year. All can be remedied. Just don’t jump too far off the wagon. See you at the Coli next Saturday. Beat the Beavs! #Section21

    • It’s one thing to be optimistic, but looking at tonight’s game, it’s very difficult to be that way, The way the team struggles has become pretty much the same pattern this season with terrible offense and play-calling. The problems are not that simple to fix because they’re rather comprehensive. It might turn out to be a long and stressful season, I’m afraid.

    • May I defend Jack B., Fred? I think Jack couldn’t imagine in his wildest dreams a coaching staff trying to monkey with their prize quarterback’s style of play. He probably gave them credit for the brains they were born with.

    • Poor Fred. Not all of us are locked to computers on Friday nights, salivating on what to post next.

      All good teams have to eventually lose and USC just did for the first time in 14 games. When SC loses, opponents’ fans storm the fields. As Mike Leach said, “It’s like Woodstock, except everybody’s got their clothes on.”

      You little gutties don’t even know what a win streak is like. When ucla comes to town, nobody cares. When USC rolls in, it’s a festival.

      USC will still beat the crap out of ucla in November, as usual.

      As far as CU vs ucla later today. Who cares? Two non-contenders playing patty cake at the Rose Bowl – USC’s home away from home.

  31. Lots of folks are gonna get real upset ….and I hate to say this…. but if I were asked to guess I’d say Sam is turned off by the coaching on offense and has already made up his mind that he’s gone as soon as he can go. He looks totally out of sync on most every play —- and there is a really strange, removed, far off look in his eyes. He’s thinking about what’s next for him, not 2017. The problem? He’s nowhere near ready to start in the NFL —and anybody who takes him knows they have a major project on their hands.

    • That’s rich. I suppose it has nothing to do with a patchwork offensive line. Or the fact that there is no running game because of the offensive line. Or a young and inexperienced receiving corps that is not sure where they are going. I guess those aren’t factors. Get over yourself.

      • It has to do with ALL those things. AND the fact Sam is throwing balls that are off target. Throws that we can’t totally blame on the o-line or the inexperienced receivers. I admire your allegiance to Sam —but you need to re-watch the game. In tennis they call a lot of the stuff that Sam was doing, “unforced errors.”

        • Tennis? In tennis you don’t have some maniac trying to rip your head off. It’s tough to throw the ball accurately with guys hanging all over you.

          • Can I ask you a question? Do you feel Sam is playing at as high a level as he did at the end of last year (when he made plays where protection had broken down and Juju was having an off game and Rojo couldn’t consistently break scrimmage)? Please be honest. If you think he is, I’ll just leave it at that.

          • I’d say two thirds o-line, one third Darnold —the receivers can’t be blamed tonight —-they caught the stuff that was thrown in their vicinity.

    • I think one thing that does go unnoticed is that the coaching staff was indecisive this off season in picking who the starting receivers were going to be this season. I think we’re seeing that have major consequences as it is during the off season that the quarterback and receivers develop their relationships and get in sync. Pretty difficult to do that when the starting wide receiver combination of Mitchell, Greene and Burnett was not decided upon until 2 weeks prior to the season opener. Throw injuries to Mitchell and Imatorbhebe on top of that and Darnold only has one receiver (Burnett) that he is confident leaning on…no wonder he’s out sync. Thank God for Tyler Vaughns’ precocious performance otherwise things could have been worse.

  32. Problem with losing to Wazzou- it’s Wazzou. They’ve played 5 home games and barely won against a beat up SC team playing with 3 freshmen O-linemen. They’ll play 5 of the next 7 on the road and will lose 3 or 4 of those and make SC look bad. Strength of schedule will suffer. Congrats, SW.

      • How do you schedule a team with 5 straight home games? That should be against the rules imo. Same thing as no byes in the schedule. Only in the Pac 12 smh

  33. Look, if ifs and buts were fruits and nuts, we’d all be a lot healthier. However, here’s my “if”: if Chuma doesn’t go down, we win.

    • That’s true —but we needed him to give his all on that brilliant, 10 second-to-develop flea flicker play. [There was no need to resort to trickery in this game —especially the kind of trickery that involves that much running around in the backfield against a lighter, faster defense].

  36. Martin should be left on the tarmac at the airport. Texas, this game, and others and u can’t call a play to get the ball in the end zone. Horrible, simply horrible

    • You kick a field goal instead of a td and u lose the game because u can’t put it in the end zone. Sc was known for automatics like that. Simply horrible

  37. I guess Colin Cowherd was right. Actually I thought that they played fairly well. They were going up against an undefeated team on the road and half of their team was hurt. I’m surprised it was that close. That O-Line was really a patch up line. I don’t know if they will win the NC but I still think that they will be a real good team when they get everyone back.

      • We had a chance to hire Chris Petersen. Haden deliberately chose to pass over him for a 34-29 alcoholic. When we got rid of him, a good AD could have scoured the nation to find a more accomplished head coach with a winning resume. Pat again decided to go with an assistant with a rather unimpressive resume. Therefore I think SC needs to give this guy a chance since they chose him.

        • I get your point. But the SC head coach’s job description should never include on the job training. SC is a national top 5 program, and as such deserves a top five coach.

          • You said “the SC head coach’s job description should never include on the job training”. I agree 100%. Originally, I was against hiring him. There were plenty of outstanding coaches that they could have hired,especially back in 2013 when they were looking for a replacement for Kiffin. James Franklin from Vanderbuilt(now at Penn State) was begging for that job. But Pat Haden wanted “7 win Sark”. My point is that they willfully chose to hire an on-the-job trainee. They can’t be changing coaches every 2 years. It makes it look like your program is a train wreck. They have to give this guy a chance. Sometimes these assistants work out. Just think of John McKay, John Robinson, David Shaw, Chip Kelly, Bob Stoops, Joe Paterno, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher and Dabo Sweeney. All those guys were assistants when they were first hired to become head coaches. And they turned those programs around big time. Dabo Sweeney was 6-7 in his 3rd year as head coach at Clemson. Before this loss, Clay Helton had won 13 games in a row. So he hasn’t been a complete failure. I was against hiring him. But he’s there, whether I like it or not. Let’s give him a chance.

  38. I still say that one of the problems of that offense is the play calling. Washington State was not a particularly big defense. But they were a really quick defense that persued well. The way to stop that kind of pursuit is always with the proper play calling. You have to call plays that will freeze the LB’s. They have had poor play calling all year.

    • You kidding? Looking at the players on the field, SC outsized Washington State at every position. Washington State had only one offensive line man tipping the scales at 300 lbs. SC got out coached, again, only this time Darnold couldn’t compensate. Going to happen more and more.

      • SC made their bed when they hired him. Now they need to sleep on it for awhile. We have to give this guy a chance. We can’t just be hiring a new coach every 2 years. The recruits will say that the SC program has no stability and even the coaches will be saying that. They’ll be looking at SC as the coaching graveyard. I was against hiring this guy. But Pat wanted him. He’s learning on the job. You never know, he might become a great coach.

    • We do not disguise our blitzes. Every team we play does and the next day we say that they showed us formations that we were not expecting. We do not regularly pressure the QB anymore. Sure we get to him, but the next play we give him all day to get the first down. Which is not difficult when all of our DB’s play 5 yards or more off the line of scrimmage and are back peddling when the ball is snapped. Even when the other team only needs two or three yards for a first down.

      • USC loves to give QBs all day to throw on 3rd and long. Other teams convert 3rd and long 90% of the time on our defense.

  39. Tee Martin never targeted the TIGHTENDS except on a play that should have been a jump ball to Falo in the end zone. TIGHTENDS have no place in this horrible offense. Cary’s gone, who’s next???

  40. Everybody saw this loss coming, and not too many wanted to admit it, so let’s see how the rest of the season plays out, but this is definitely not a playoff team that would advance

  42. Everybody harping on play calling is funny. Are there magic plays where when you call them they make your line block better? QB throw it better? Receivers catch it? Execution is the answer. We flat out cannot run the football right now. If and when we do, the play calling will all of the sudden be good.

  43. We have not found or developed anyone to replace a Juju Smith-Schuster, Darreus Rodgers or Adoree Jackson.

    The lack of receiver development is perplexing. In the past, a Mike Williams would have been replaced by a Dwayne Jarrett or a Robert Woods would have been replaced by a Marquis Lee.

  44. Fellow posters, agree completely that Helton is a very ordinary coach. He has character, and calmness on his side, but what
    adjustments does he make at halftime for the offense. His brother is totally useless as QB coach messing with Darnold’s delivery and
    making him think too much. Tee Martin so over rated. One of the
    worst play calling jobs since the Paul Hackett.days. Did the TE have
    a pass thrown his way all night? All the conditioning coaches on the staff, and injury after injury almost every other play besides those who couldn’t make the trip. Secondary Coach Bradford another one who needs to go. DB’s not taught how to get away with a little contact on receivers w/o penalty called. Positives were the emergence of Tyler Vaughns as a reliable wide – out, and play of the three freshmen offensive lineman. Hopefully a genuine wake up call to run the table, and get to the conference title game. One side note, the referring was terrible on a few of the penalties against the Trojans.

  45. Helton was obviously in over his head from the moment he got out there, but talent has continually bailed him out (up to this moment). The guy has never looked like anything more than a decent coordinator, and even that’s questionable. The great heights of the Pete era are far, far away until someone far more capable takes the helm.

  47. I wanted to give Helton an Co. the benefit of the doubt and see how they do over time. Time’s up. Defense doesn’t sub enough and the secondary is pathetic. Offense doesn’t have a fire or identity. No creativity and very predictable. Sorry, but we need a coaching staff that develops players.

  48. Relax trojan nation we will win the national championship. However, if darnold is what everybody says he is he needed to find a way to win the game on that last drive.

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