Quality Loss

That 3-point loss in Pullman two weeks ago doesn’t look as respectable tonight. Justin Wilcox doing more with less!

145 thoughts on “Quality Loss

  1. If that’s the case than why did Cal drop the last 3? (USC, WA & OR)? In fact Scott the sole home game Cal has lost this year was to USC.

    Let’s hope for an undefeated WA in December for the CCG

    • Cal wins at Pullman w/o whine or complaint. On the other hand bozo u whined, complained loudly and lost. bozo u can’t even lose to a quality team.

        • Did you notice ESPN wouldn’t show the crowd because there were so few people there? For a home game there was little home field advantage.Yet the Cougs turned the ball over 7 times and basically threw the game. Talk about a bad advertisement for the Pac 12.

          • It was a cluster bomb from the beginning, with the carnage going on and the air quality being so poor, this game shouldn’t have been played last night. But it also showed how the rhythm of a team gets blown up on a short week on the road.

            Talk looked awful.

          • I wouldn’t go that far. Falk was dumping a lot of passes into the flats and tossing shuttle passes to rbs toward the end. If we get a few first downs, it’s a different game. But why pick an old scab, you can’t really compare games weeks apart and in different situations.

            I believe our defense played well enough to win. But we didn’t win, no moral victories.

          • We got pressure early but the defense just wore down being on the field so much. But you’re right, we could’ve blitzed more.

          • Remember the fire just north of Berkeley in Santa Rosa and environs? Well, the smoke was so thick that fans had the option to show up or watch it at home.
            What would you have done?
            There is concern when the Chargers play the Raiders in Oakland Tomorrow regarding that same smoke, and that game will be played about 10 miles south of Berkeley.

  2. Wazzu is an overachiever. Not to take anything away from what they have done this season, but at some point, they were going to come back down to earth.

    • They Couged It once again. If Washington loses to the Sun Devils tonight we will be the only quality team left in this weak league.

      • Historically, Pac-12 is not a “weak” league. The problem for the Pac-12 is that there is simply too much parity which is a huge disadvantage in how the BCS playoffs work or within any national rankings.

        Everybody beats up on each other in the league. There are hardly any “gimme” games. There are usually “surprise” teams every year in the Pac-12.

        Colorado surprised all last year by winning the Pac-12 South after usually being the door mat in the past.

        Cal appears to be the surprise team this year. They are doing much better than originally projected after finishing poorly in recent past history.

        And just an fyi, Pac-12 is 2-0 against the SEC this year:

        Cal beat Old Miss. Ole Miss was a 2.5 pt favorite.

        UCLA of course beat Texas A&M.

        2016 SEC was 2-0 vs Pac-12. Bama beat USC and Texas A&M beat UCLA.

        If you look at the Pac-12 vs SEC history the number of wins and losses are fairly close despite the SEC winning many BCS championships. What needs to be factored in also is that the Pac-12 doesn’t schedule the SEC door mats like Vanderbilt and Kentucky.

        SEC though has a tendency to try and schedule the Pac-10/12 door mats at the time of scheduling.

        • Can’t wait for the Alabama vs Mercer tilt on 11/18. Who says the SEC doesn’t schedule quality non-conference games.

        • Last year’s bowl games was the first time the Pac-12 won more than they lost in some 5-6 years. The Pac-12 does not play well in bowl games and that’s as good an assessment of a group of teams there is.

    • Prior to last night, what had WSU achieveD?! They beat a banged-up SC team at home…barely. I suspect that was all it took to convince the media the Cougs are a Top 10 team. They’re not. They never were.

      ““We didn’t play good in any aspect of the game. Cal outcoached us, Cal outplayed us at every position I saw. They wanted to win more than we did, they tried harder than we did, they tried more consistently than we did,” Leach said. “Our guys just sauntered around out there on the field like we’d accomplished something – which obviously is false.”

      • Which is exactly what happened to WSU against CAL. WSU didn’t look like they wanted to be there.

      • Completely agree they never were a top 10 team – that was my point. Their achievement this year was that they were 6-0 (before last night), compared to a record over the last 10 years of roughly .333 winning percentage.

    • Very much agree. So easy to predict that WSU will or would get totally blown out in a big game, on a neutral site, with time for the opponent to really game plan. Nothing against Leach and co – they are overachieving, and there is no team in the P12 that plays with their sense of risk-taking – but it is a lot of smoke and mirrors, to account for lack of talent. They played an SC team with a real identity crisis on offense, and a ton of injuries. They were opportunistic, and it worked. But no way that was going to hold week in and week out. Not even surprised they lost to call. Could see them losing to Washington by 3-4 TDs, and to SC by as much later in the season.

  3. Can you imagine what USC world have done to Washington State if they had a legitimate coaching staff? Is Cal on course to become a PAC 12 contender, when Justin Wilcox brings in a couple of recruiting classes ?

    • Cal will flounder around like f uucla and the rest of the 11 Dwarfs. USC is the only quality team in the league that can compete against the great teams in the national playoff. Stanford can’t even beat San Diego State.

      • I know USC is currently the only team in the PAC 12 , with the talent to compete for a national championship, but I don’t think they have a coaching staff that can pull it off , IMO

        • First thing you have to do is find a coach and staff that “knows” USC. They would never hire someone with the name Dabo or Jimbo for sure. Puts a self imposed limit on who they can even talk to and they have missed ops in the past because of it. The fact that Nikias is not a football guy hurts too.

          • That’s the problem: everyone “knows” SC. That’s why the talented coaches stay away. SC football is a rudderless ship.

          • Apparently Dabo is terrible as well. I mean he lost to Syracuse. We wouldn’t hire anyone who lost to Syracuse with all the talent they have at Clemson. According to this board it doesn’t matter his QB was hurt either. If the back up at every position doesn’t step in and immediately perform at a starte level it’s because of the coaches. Clemson also must have the worst D Cord. In football to give up that many points. Just holding them to same bar most on here hold our staff to.

          • Is it just me, or does anybody else realize, that USC hasn’t hired a head football coach, with a winning record in almost 30 years ? That in itself, says the athletic department is run at a buffoonery level

          • Pete worked out great, but he didn’t have a winning record, and his hire was a last ditch effort, and a roll of the dice, basically USC got lucky

          • It’s always been my experience that excellence attracts luck. Funny how luck definitely follows around certain institutions and people.

            The key to hiring greatness is the ability to predict it. It seems to me that there’s too many sure-fire success resumes that have failed to discount the importance of going with your gut over anyone’s prior record.

            Who’s to say Dennis Erickson wouldn’t have been enormously successful at USC? I think I’ve heard him say that his biggest career regret is not taking the SC job, or something like that.

            Just because Pete wanted the job more than everyone else and had the best situation to make the immediate move doesn’t mean that the other possibilities wouldn’t have also been superior – except for Mike Riley. I think that regardless of his “nicest guy in the biz rep”, he would have been mediocre at USC and I’m glad we dodged that bullet.

          • Much easier to win with less than it is to keep winning with more. People take you seriously and play harder when you’re on top.

          • Being USC, every single team they play is prepared and up to play their game of the season. Ever notice how many teams USC has played lost the following week, Alabama excluded.

          • Great saying. Who comes up with this stuff? Probably prisoners, inmates, the creme of the crop!

          • I think that came from bird hunters as the wad was what they used to pack the powder in their shells…just an off handed guess.

            For instance this came from cargo shippers:

            Store
            High
            In
            Transit

          • Good call.

            To shoot (one’s) wad “do all one can do” is recorded from 1914… The expression probably is the sense of “disk of cloth used to hold powder and shot in place in a gun.” Wad in slang sense of “a load of (you know what)” is attested from 1920s, and the expression now often is felt in this sense.

          • As it should be. I love the fact SC always gets people’s best shot. That’s what respect gets you.

          • Magic Johnson used to say” It’s good to be lucky, bet the better you are the luckier you get “

          • Or…I’d rather be lucky than good. Most of us don’t understand when luck has been tremendously on our side IMO. It’s easy to overlook the luck involved in our successes.

          • Despite all the historic glory, there’s something toxic at the root, and everyone knows it. Put together a self-entitled alumni, a clueless administration, a delusional fan base, a long stretch of negative publicity, and is it any wonder the best coaches stay away?

            There’s nothing as awesome as SC football when things seem to be going well, but it has not lived up to its potential for many years…PC era aside.

          • Four different coaches have won NCs at USC: Howard Jones, John McKay, John Robinson and Pete Carroll. That’s quite a feat actually.

            There will be more. USC attracts and hires as good a coaches as anyone and has 25 Rose Bowl wins to show for it.

            “Self-entitled alumni?” Guess that make all my USC friends and I self-entitled. Sure pal. Anything you say yokel.

          • Very reasonable, balanced reply —but something tells me Traveler isn’t into ‘balanced.’
            #SelfEntitledCluelessDelusional?Wow

          • Jack, he’s just another jealous guy that couldn’t get accepted to our esteemed university. Fight On!

          • I’ll take a .500 NFL coach over a Gomer, Suck, and Goat Kiffin any day … actually I’ll take a corpse over those losers

        • SC has the RAW talent. Raw talent doesn’t win championships. Raw talent never transforms into a championship team without talented coaching.

        • Washington is deeper and as talented except at qb … plus they have a real coach. Huskies are there to stay, Gomer will be forgotten like the Ted Tollner jr he is.

          • It’s amazing how Helton totally handed Petersen his hat in Seattle last year. That was a huge piece of humble pie for Petersen, who got drilled big by both the good teams he played last year.

            Will be interesting to see how UW does when they play anybody any good. He better beat STAN in Palo Alto or he won’t be looking so shiny and bright anymore.

          • Think long term … I know it’s hard . Remember Suck beat Pete too ( some say Pete threw it to his arse boy) ya Suckisian.

            CP will be around a long time up there .. Gomer will be applying for Kiffin like Florida Gulf Tech jobs.

          • Husky expectations aren’t near what SC’s are. Not even close so I have no doubt Petersen can be a lifer there if he wants.

            But the point is, Helton humiliated him in Seattle last year and Petersen hasn’t beat anyone decent this year. That’s just the obvious lay of the land. I try to live in the present. Future predictions about Petersen don’t interest me much. Unless he proves he can win big games at UW right now, those cupcakes he plays every year make his UW record look super inflated.

          • Jack, why is it if expectations are so dang high at USC they cannot hire the top tier coach. Why is it if Alabama wants a player, they get him. The luster is off what was at one time a very bright star, but unless they get the great coach that “knows” USC, they are getting dimmer each season. I hate to admit it, but it is painful to see. If all that USC money has any influence, I don’t see it in the football staff. Granted they are working hard, and Helton may one day be a great one, but USC is not living up very well to that heritage they lay claim to.

            Utah will present a serious challenge today, so much so I am not confident in what we are putting out on the field. No predictions here. lol

          • Once Pete suddenly left without any warning no more than about 2 1/2 weeks before LOI Day and with NCAA sanctions expected after a prolonged 4-yr dirty investigation, SC was in a very difficult position. Who would want the job then? Who would want to follow Pete Carroll? Not exactly a recipe for success, following a legend.

            Plus, word undoubtedly leaked that SC (did this affect Pete?) was gonna get hit very hard. Again, what potential HC wants to walk into that with USC’s big expectations? Nobody, that’s who. So at that time, SC was in a real pickle and pulled in the Kiffer, who deserted TENN with no time left on the recruiting replacement clock. Not many men would have done what the Kiffer did. We had to settle, but for valid reasons.

            Then Haden fires the Kiffer on the tarmac because he’s too immature for the job and Haden makes his biggest mistake. He doesn’t reel in Petersen and decides on 7-win Sark, who turns out to be a drunk, ready for a divorce and USC has another mess, while still suffering probation numbers problems.

            Here’s where Nikias steps in. Because of the public relations issues caused by both the Kiffer and Sark and because Haden, in bad health, is getting ready to step down, Nikias suddenly names on-staff Helton as the permanent HC. Helton was never picked by Nikias for his excellence. Helton was chosen simply because he was a solid person who wouldn’t make any public gaffes like the Kiffer or Sark. USC, the BOTs and Nikias had had their fill of very public coaching problems and rather than go through some big national search to fix USC’s dumpster fire, Nikias stayed in home and picked a guy who would never embarrass the school and was viewed as solid. That’s how low we had sunk. Nikias just didn’t want any more trouble.

            Helton is still a question mark but has now enjoyed pretty reasonable success. Hard to ask for more with what he came in with after Orgeron and his famous tail-between-his-legs exit had added even more significant fuel to the USC coaching dysfunction fire.

            SC’s actually done remarkably well despite the self-imposed shi*tstorm it has put itself through. I have no idea if Helton will end up good enough. Heck, we may have our answer after our next two games.

            But if Helton fails, you’ll get what you want IMO. Swann will go whole hog and pay top dollar for the big fish that eluded Haden. The USC job is now hugely coveted again. No PC hangover. No probation issues.

          • Should be a very exciting game.

            I hope Helton proves worthy and am not looking forward to another USC coaching search if needed. I doubt it would happen this year, or until after the 2018 season. But I feel we’d be in good hands with Swann even though I didn’t like his women’s basketball hire.

        • Ooooo! Last week it was clemson and bama, now it’s just bama, go home freddie the fake. Last year nobody could beat Bama till they did. You little guttie should worries about your own team.

          • It’s hard to concern yourself with the little gutties when nobody cares about what they do. The bruins are the official ghost of L.A.

            Nobody even mentions ucla except for the fact Rosen plays there and won’t win the Heisman because that award can’t go to a school with ucla’s rep and record.

    • Be realistic. Wazzu caught SC at home on a short week when the Trojans were banged up and the Cougs were pumped up. Some times it seems like no one who posts here knows that this is CFB.

      • Early season road conference games are always tough. After a win against Utah, WSU will look like the abnormality. Fight On!

      • And we lost 3/5 of our OL just before or during the game. No team, absolutely no team at any level is not going to struggle with that.

    • Baldwin won’t be there long. He took the job to get his next job. My prediction, he will be coaching Arizona next year.

    • Every pac 12 team plays their best game of the year against SC. Just embarrassing that they can’t keep up that play against their entire schedule.

  4. It does not matter…SC has to win the next 2 or else it is over…and then win the rest after that…same for Oklahoma,Penn St,Clemson, bama,etc….pay attention to the problem at hand…there are always upsets…Army even beat Navy once in last 20 years…

    • Yep, and a loss to WSU looks a lot better than a loss to Syracuse or Iowa st. Ultimately, we need to win the conference and have better wins and losses than the other conference champs. Making the Playoffs = clean slate.

      • Iowa State is 4-2 and just crushed Kansas 45-0. But their next 4 games are the meat of the conference. We will see how they end up there before writing them off.

    • Yes, but wins over a team that is 11-1 and another that is 5-7 is better than wins over a set that is 10-2 and 6-6.

    • Turns out it is pretty hard to win on the road, against conference foes, on a short week, and playing with injuries.

  5. Man what I wouldn’t give for a D that plays like that…. Pressure … disguised schemes … quality tackling… quick and fast… Every LB Cal had on the field last night is better than John “Bust” 5 * Houston …

  6. Uh…but wait. Wouldn’t this make SC’s win at Cal a reallllllly quality WIN, scooter? Of course not. You swim in a 3/4 empty glass.

  7. These Friday night games are basically a gimme W for the home team. Only teams coming off byes should play short week games on the road.

  8. F off, Flow. Do you look respectable today?

    I’m not asking you, Chaz. Don’t defend him.

  9. If WSU had won, wolf would post something about the coaching of the pirate and how you get your team ready on a short week. Maybe wolf is trolling elsewhere criticizing dabo and the pirate. I’m not not holding our coaches blameless, but wolf is always looking for the most negative angle for any event remotely connected to usc. How about a post about how a Trojan loss doesn’t look as bad as an Iowa st or Syracuse loss?

  10. Does anyone remember how bad we wanted Justin Wilcox out of here? Now he’s the greatest coach of all time? Scott, you hammered the guy week after week, he has no personality, he cannot lead men, he runs basic schemes, blah blah blah. Now with one win he’s Saban.

  11. Per the announcers last night, Justin Wilcox reminds them of Bill Belichick, at least demeanor-wise: stoic, doesn’t show emotion, calculating.

    Face it, Wilcox is one of the most improbable college success stories since he flopped all over the place as the USC DC. He was horrible and looked bad many times. Was also a brutally bad interview. Old Skinny Jeans – smug, detached, almost obtuse-sounding.

    Somehow, Wilcox instantaneously nails a fairly coveted WIS DC job, then immed converts that into the HCing position at CAL. Are you kidding me? The real story here is how bad USC must have been to somehow completely neuter Wilcox as Skinny Jeans, the lame USC DC.

    Well, congrats to Wilcox. whom USC already handled. He had his Bears playing with their hair on fire while Pirate Mike Leach rolled into Berkeley with the Pretenders from Pullman who couldn’t handle the success of 6-0.

    Now all the big power/one loss teams are suddenly alive and well. USC will take care of business tonight in the Coliseum against UTAH, a team we owe big-time. Typical “Couged It” performance.

    As usual, in the game of college football, nobody knows nothin’ and each week is predictably surprising. CLEM loses to SYRA? Sure. Okay, got it. Dino Babers has to be the greatest post-game coaching cheerleader I have ever seen, And Leach oerfectly described the Cougs as “pathetic frontrunners.” Exactly.

    It’s all good again, unless USC loses to UTAH, meaning the wheels will have officially come off the Trojan Horse. I doubt it will happen though and a good USC win could have us back in the top 10 with a fantastic contest South Bend contest coming up.

    The stage is set for yet another great day of college football following the most amazing Friday night of CFB weI have EVER seen.

    Gonna be a wild season filled with many more “rat poison” moments. Red River Rivalry is up next.

    • Great post, very insightful and well said. If wolf only had a 1/4 of your football IQ his posts might be a little more digestible

      Bottom line, we need to win-out and beat an undefeated Washington team in the PAC12 CCG. Outside of Washington winning-out, we control our destiny

      • We do need to win out. I’d be feeling that big-time if our OL handled itself better. Not sure how much magic can be worked out there based on our pure talent level, experience and coaching. That’s a real mystery within USC football IMO.

        • We haven’t had continuity on the OL since Stanford. Injuries have really hurt. Very hard for a true Freshman to play championship level football on the OL. Our OL definitely improved last year as the season went on, but we have some consistency there. They were obviously coached well IMO, but you can’t perform magic.

    • Love to see Texas, win——
      As for us, any size victory over Utah will be great as long as we emerge healthy for Notre Dame next week. It didn’t seem this way going into the season—-but it turns out our “Prove It!” moment comes at South Bend.

      • I’ve been worried about the Irish in South Bend since the summer. Has all the ingredients for one of our huge classic meetings. Hope the ND ghosts don’t show up at that game as they have in the past. Maybe a big pre-game brawl reminiscent of days past is what we need. Now, just take care of UTAH and the stage is set for the best intersectional rivalry in CFB: USC vs ND.

        • Funny —I was thinking the exact same thing. A fight in the tunnel before the game—initiated by the Irish— might be worth 5 pep talks in the locker room. As for ghosts, I’m sure John McKay and Ara will be there. Marv Goux might tip the balance to us. [I just don’t want Notre Dame to get the kind of good bounces and timely calls that Cal got last night}…….

          • When I was at USC, Goux used to show up at our frat the night or two before the ND game and talk about big man vs big man. It was quite a treat to watch Goux in action. He was one of the most honestly emotional persons I’ve ever heard speak.

            Agree about the pre-game tussle. Nothing too serious, just some sincere rambunctiousness that requires a little ref interference. The teams had to be separated…

          • The real lame duck coach is Chow who remains unemployed and couldn’t hold a job after USC booted him to the side. Funny how he completely lost his touch during the last 10 years of his career. What a lousy fade-out.

  12. Where in the heck did this Cal defense come from. Even WSU’s defense is pretty solid. I watch their alignments and schemes and these guys are just way above a team like UCLA.

    UCLA’s defense has no ingenuity in it at all. I see a bunch of talented players out of high school simply under achieving. They are so poorly coached and have no clue on how to generate a pass rush or bait opposing QB’s into interceptions.

    Some of Cal’s alignments had one nose guard and every other defensive “lineman” was in a stand up rush position and in between the gaps Cal has potential blitzers. Very difficult for any college offensive lineman to pick up who the rushers are.

    UCLA on the other hand simply plays a straight up 4 man D line lined up in the same spots 90% of the time and are simply expected to beat their man one on one.

    The LB’s simply just sit back and are expected to read and react and play a bend but don’t break type of defense. Of course they are constantly bending and eventually breaking.

    UCLA is also so stupid in that they play two 5 star true freshmen who are clearly inexperienced and for every big play they make they make like 3 mistakes. Both Darnay Holmes (ejected for targeting early) against Colorado and Jaelan Phillips harldy played against Colorado and this is when UCLA’s defense played much better.

    These stupid UCLA coaches cannot even figure out Rick Wade is a better defensive end at this point vs J. Phillips.

    Darnay Holmes obviously has talent also. He has UCLA’s lone pick 6 and he had the monster hit which would have been fine before in the past but he obviously has to learn to pull back. He didn’t even need to lay the wood there. He could have stopped the receiver short and Colorado may have had to punt. Instead 15 yard penalty and auto first down and Colorado got a TD on that same drive.

    These dumb UCLA fans can never understand that the younger newer player is rarely the better player. 3 years ago these same dumb fans were raving about true frosh Kenny Young. Young is now a senior and because of his historical past mistakes these same dumb fans are ready to throw him into the garbage can but yet again the Sr Young came alive against Colorado.

    I seriously wonder if these dummies will ever figure it out. I’ve been providing examples to them for well over 15 years now. It’s almost like they can’t admit they are wrong and continually try to embrace true freshmen and it always backfires on them. LOL

    • Uhh….I think you wandered onto the wrong site. Turn around and go all the way to the end of the dead end street, home of bruin football.

    • Just gotta ask, rod who gives a damn about the ruins? Did you post on the wrong site?

      Have a nice day.

      • Inside UCLA and practically every Bruin forum has banned me because they simply cannot handle the truth.

        So I’m here now and I will basically call out the Bruin coaches and fans at my own free will.

        And as far as USC goes…Fight On. I follow both USC and UCLA.

        I have way more complaints about UCLA than I do with USC.

    • I didn’t make it through the UCLA stuff, but the question of where this Cal defense came from is a good one.

  13. What a wormy “take”. I think you meant to say “mike leach and dabo swinney need to coach more….every team has injuries….and players clearly aren’t developing.” When will these teams learn?

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