Heisman Trophy Flashback

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The Heisman Trophy ceremony is tonight. During the Pete Carroll era, it was a highlight of covering USC when you got to go to New York in December. In 2002, I remember Carson Palmer going out with a small group the night he won the award.

A few years later, there was quite a scene at a New York nightclub with Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Adrian Petersen and Alex Smith among others.The best players in the nation were relaxed and enjoying themselves.

Before this season, everyone seemed to think Sam Darnold would make the ceremony. It really was a shame it did not happen. Remember in 2012 everyone thought Matt Barkley would go too. You just never know.

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  • Pudly76

    And on a brighter note the Trojan women VB team loses in five sets in the round of eight to #2 Florida.

    • gotroy22

      FLA knocked out the ruins too.

      • Pudly76

        Yeah the previous day.

  • trojan_1972

    Sam made his share of mistakes this year, but he simply didn’t get the protection that he needed. Mayfield has the benefit of an excellent line – maybe one of the best.

    • Jack B

      None of us know what Darnold would look like of he weren’t running for his life every play. It was the flimsy OL that did us in this year, yet we still managed to win 11, maybe 12 games because Darnold’s a magician when need be and RoJo really played out of his head this year.

      Our new RB coach definitely had a superior effect on this team. While our RBs improved, our CBs flatlined. Hopefully, we’ll pull it all together against the Buckeyes – because SC’s gonna need to do just that if we want to beat that type of talent.

      • Pudly76

        I remember the year Anthony Davis won the Heisman…wait a minute he didn’t win, he should’ve won it but they gave it to that no good for nothing Archie…damn I was mad

        • gotroy22

          Wasn’t the voting done back then before the ND game?

          • Pudly76

            You know I can’t remember, but it was off putting to me that much I know. Every time they talk about the two winner I want to hurl

      • trojan_1972

        Shout-out to McCulogh and Udeze this year.

        Callaway has his work cut out for him – OSU D-Line looks very effective.

        As far as CBs go, well, hopefully Barrett has a bad day…

        And then again we have Sam!

        • Jack B

          I think Callaway suxx and is a real weak link for us. I wish we recruited more athletic OLs as well. We definitely used to have tougher, more athletic and physical OLs on the great USC teams of the past. If we had a better OL right now, we’d be playing CLEM or OU in game 1 of the POs IMO.

          • trojan_1972

            Yes – outstanding tradition of USC OL over the years. Seems it wasn’t a recruiting priority recently…

          • Brent4c

            When you have 12-15 scholarships for 3 years nothing is a priority. You take the best you can get and since it takes 5 starting OL on every play that is much harder to fill than any other position.

          • trojan_1972

            My impression is that the composition of those restricted classes were heavy on WR recruits.

          • Brent4c

            They were if you consider 3-4 heavy. We took 3-4 OL, but not takes 5. You miss on 1 or 2 (Chuma til this year) and it really hurts.

          • Rabb

            Physical is what USC has been until this year, now a bunch of skin and bone players, no meat on their bones. Probably bench press 50 pounds. Teams are not intimidated by our size anymore. We can’t push anyone around nor pose our WILL on anybody. We can’t get into a physical altercation with anyone. We’ll fade late.

        • Michael Guarino

          Totally agree about our o-line. And the best we can hope for is probably that they’re not overwhelmed and they manage to protect Sam from sacks.
          Our d-line won’t let us down —but it says so much about our corners that we’re all praying that Barrett is off target on the 29th.

      • Pudly76

        Pete Carroll always said he only recruited tackles because you could always move them to guard, but if you recruited guards and they didn’t work out it was a waste of roster space.

        • Jack B

          Sounds good to me. USC looks like it only has slow OGs some of the time.

        • SucKiffin

          Really John Drake was a tackle lol ..

          • Pudly76

            According to 24/7 he was. Out of LBCC in 2003, no? I never said he hit on all of them, I only mentioned his stated preference for how he recruited o-linemen.
            Hey suck, You mad at PC too? Anybody you think didn’t succ? Just wondering?

      • Michael Guarino

        We can beat Ohio State with our superior running backs, superior receivers, and superior quarterback [and a very average o-line to back ’em up]. I don’t see us winning a physical contest, but I do see us winning a track meet. Scoring first counts big in this kind of game —which means not being afraid to throw on first down and not beating ourselves with dumb procedure penalties along the o-line. I don’t see our defense bailing us out in this one —this is gonna be on Sam, Rojo, Pittman, Vaughns, Carr, Burnett, Imatorbhebhe and Mitchell.

        • RegalTrojan

          I don’t see an easy win on this game, MG. I’m sure Meyer will get his team ready.

          • Jack B

            We’re not the underdogs for no reason. USC’s favored in 95% of its games. We’re a pretty big dog here – a full TD. There’s a reason for that and I think it has a lot to do with their NFL-like DL and our mediocre OL.

            I just hope we play out of our minds because I agree. Meyer’s Bucks are gonna show up loaded for bear having just barely missed the POs and losing bad last Jan to CLEM.

            USC seems to start poorly a lot. I have no idea why that is, but I don’t think it’s a successful recipe for the Cotton Bowl. I don’t think relying on Darnold to perform miracles is a good tactic either. These are the reasons USC got left out of the POs. We’re the Win Ugly Bunch. I think we have to change if we expect to handle OHIO ST.

          • RegalTrojan

            Agreed. They’re a fundamentally sound team with stout lines up front, which can’t be easily defeated with some cute offensive schemes or a few big plays. The team should come ready to play in this game because it’ll be a physically challenging game that could wear out our lines, especially in the latter portion of it.

          • Michael Guarino

            Boy, are you ever right, RT! We’ll practically have to score every other time we get the ball to stay in this one.

          • RegalTrojan

            Yes, MG. I don’t think we’ll be able to blow them out in the first half in this one. They’ve slipped a few times this season, but I still see a very solid team here, and it might go right down to the wire. Hopefully, we’ll be victorious in it.

            #Let’sGetReadyToRumbleMG!!!

          • Michael Guarino

            Totally ready, RT!

          • RegalTrojan

            Good. We better eat and sleep well for the next 20 days to get ourselves perked up for this giant of a game, MG!

            #MG’sReadyAndSoAmI!!!

          • SucKiffin

            Bucks are hit and miss … if it’s hit , it will be a long day for Gomer

        • steveg

          Wow Michael, I was thinking just the opposite. It is going to take an awesome night of defense for USC to take the game. Ohio St can’t win if they can’t score.

          • Michael Guarino

            I would be so happy (and surprised) if we stopped their offense, steveg. I have lots of confidence that Clancy has the answers, lots of confidence that our d-line can get to Barrett, and zero confidence that our corners can hold up their end of the deal. Clancy’s approach to these dual threat guys is to bring the heat and force them to throw —-and, for this to work, our man to man has to be better than it is. I think Clancy would have looked SO great this year with corners who could handle man coverage.

          • Pudly76

            Well we contained Kalil Tate for a little bit and he couldn’t throw a lick, single handedly brought his team back. Hope we learned something from that.

          • Michael Guarino

            Are you as tired as I am of watching our corners get lost while the ball is in the air? You keep thinking, ‘they’ve got time to adjust —they’ll get there!” But they almost never do. It is possible that both Marshall and Jones are unteachable.

          • Pudly76

            Much like I’d like to sit in on rosen’s interviews, I’d like to sit in on team meetings with dbs and o-linemen, and watch practice for a couple weeks to see wth is happening.

          • Michael Guarino

            The one thing I would NOT want to hear Ronnie Bradford say to Jack Jones: “Your technique is basically sound —-we just need to work on the little things.”

      • SucKiffin

        Bucks D size and speed will negate the broken play that Sam saves the simpleton O with … if Bucks are on it could get very ugly , Gomer ugly

        • Pudly76

          That could be said for either team. If we’re on our game, it could get ugly also, although I doubt this is the game that happens this season.

  • RegalTrojan

    It was quite a thrill ride back then with Carroll at the helm. SC football was this powerful machine that kept stamping out star players and coaches after another. I wish we could create it again in the near future because it sure was tremendously fun to follow our team with that almost invincible swagger and sheer force.

    • Robert McLeod

      Those were the days, my friend.

      • gotroy22

        We thought they’d never end…

    • San Diego trojan

      By year two of the Carroll era, you could tell we were building something sustainable that we hoped would never end. It was a great ride that I never took for granted because of how mediocre the the eighties and nineties were.
      Hopefully, with some tweaking, we can go on a run similar to that again. It is so rare.
      The fact Sam didn’t make it to New York shows you no matter how great the individual talent, so many other team peices have to fall into place

      • RegalTrojan

        Excellent reply. Yes, indeed. The brilliance of the Carroll’s era was magnified because we had seriously substandard decades in the 80’s and 90’s as you pointed out. I’m sure you remember the shameful ten-game skid to ND that gave our archirivals to create and post the banner that said “A Decade Of Domination!”. Even the little gutties of Wimpwood were making fun of us claiming the football ownership of LA as well. Hopefully, we’ll never revisit that dark era or the sanction-stricken decade which we now barely have recovered from.

        • San Diego trojan

          Agree. The thing most impressive to me about Pete’s run was that during a seven year stretch, they never lost by more than 11 points, and that was once to Notre Dame early on. That means that they were playing hard til the end of every game because they liked and respected Pete and the culture he developed.
          Pete and that staff had players coached up to believe they were better than they were, and maximized their potential.
          That’s what clay has to develope to consistently win big year after year. It’s what Saban, Meyer and now Dabo Sweeney has done, and i believe it starts with the kind of intense, competitive practices that Pete had. Preparation and development is everything to players succeeding. I know it sounds obvious, but only a special few coaches can pull it off . Here’s to hoping

          • RegalTrojan

            It’d be nice if Clay Helton could do all that with some capable assistants because it would minimize uncertainties and sustain continuity for the program, but I think we’ll have to let him pass the test at least for a few years because his teams have yet to show all those stout qualities you mentioned. We can’t deny that we’ve still got ways to go to get there. We all know what a team should be like to be a true elite on the national level.

    • SucKiffin

      2002 was a dream season … especially with Carson winning a Heisman
      The coaching from 2001-2004 was best ever

  • CORTEZ THE KILLER

    How many Heismans did Tom Brady win ? Joe Montana ?

    • JustOwns

      I’ll bet “the Bomber” would trade the measly CFB Heiman for a Super Bowl start.

      Brady: 5 SB wins

      Montana: 4 SB wins

      Palmer: Zero SB participation.

      Off the top of your head Cotex, who won the Heisman in 1977, and more to the point who gives a chite.

      • RegalTrojan

        sucla : 3 convicted international shoplifters already and counting!

        ROTFALMAO!!!

        • gotroy22

          And their hyped 2016 basketball recruiting class destroyed.

  • Chris

    Sam did not play well enough to be there. Lead the FBS in turnovers. He is good most of the time, superhuman in spots, and tragically bad in others. I think one more year will do him wonders, at least I’m hoping.

    • Michael Guarino

      Do you think it’s a mental thing or a mechanics thing (or a lack of confidence in his o-line thing) that causes Sam to badly over or under throw wide open receivers on occasion?
      Or to throw into tight coverage? Do you think whatever it is is the same reason he coughs up the ball sometimes when he’s not hit that hard?

      • Chris

        i don’t know about mechanics, I’ve heard pundits say it’s no big deal and others say it will be his downfall. Just as a normal football fan, I think he sure seems to always try and make the big play. To me it seems he has so much belief in himself he will throw it to the primary receiver every time, covered or not, because he believes it will get there. Last year he actually seemed to go through more reads. This year he seems to lock in and let it go. Once he is scrambling all of that goes out the window and he is instinctive and great. All I know is he is fun to watch and the good outweighs the bad, and I hope he plays one more year.

        • Michael Guarino

          A very successful high school coach told me that players with great instincts almost always begin to assume that their instincts are infallible —-which, of course, leads to mistakes. But he said that he didn’t mess with those kind of athletes because he WANTED them to go with and trust their instincts. Like you, he came to the conclusion that the good outweighs the bad when they are allowed to play that way.
          [I think we have better athletes than Ohio State at quarterback, receiver and running back —-I hope we let them lose. I hope we make it a track meet].

    • Brent4c

      Very few of his Int. and none of his fumbles were due to pressure. Sam had a very poor first 6 games or so. He’s played much better in the back half, but the first half was avg at best.

      • Michael Guarino

        Sam actually started playing better once the Heisman hype was officially over. For some reason, Sam didn’t handle that pressure as well as he handles game pressure.

        • steveg

          Keep in mind he is still young, with actually 3 years experience playing QB, 2 of them for a premier program with highly wild expectations. No pressure.

          • Michael Guarino

            I think you just listed the things that were on Sam’s mind all summer, steveg!

  • Golden Trojan

    Wolfie bitter he didn’t get a trip to NYC on the company dime? Maybe next year.

  • Old Trojans never die

    There any number of reasons why Sam wasn’t standing on stage in New York. The first was Sam himself, who knew he’d throw so many interseptions? The next as many have pointed out was the O line and throwing in the receiver corps and you make a case for a big reason Sam dropping off. But I still think the reason for all of these pieces coming together is the tinkering with Sam’s throwing motion . Clearly accuracy has been a problem like never before. Maybe another year of seasoning in college might repair that damage.

    • steveg

      Let Sam be Sam, make the program adapt to him. not make him adapt to everything else and see what happens. It is easier and more productive to adapt the program to the talent than the talent to the program.

      • Pudly76

        I always thought the same way. Many of the great coaches bent their game plans to their talent. When Shula has Csonka and Kiick, they ran more than passed, when he had Marino they just threw it all over the field..Knoll was the same way.

  • Pudly76

    Narbonne 4* lb, Raymond Scott says he’ll sign LOI to USC on Dec 20.

    • StokaNoka

      ^the real inside USC. Thanks for the info and keep em coming!

      • gotroy22

        Keep your info on Sarrrr Warrs Costummme Contesssts coming Golllly Noiiddd.

        • StokaNoka

          Broken records need fixing, back to the psych ward lonely man

          • gotroy22

            Some would say your sad pathetic life is a broken record, Golllly Nooooid, after 320 straight losses including last night’s when you were DQed for having too stinky a costume.

  • LamontRaymond

    Yeah, it’s a shame Sammy didn’t fumble so often, and didn’t take care of the ball in general, but he’ll have another chance next season.

  • Linkster

    Is Scott insinuating that he went out with Palmer for a night on the town In NYC after he won the Heisman? Wow, how the mighty have fallen. Do you think Sam will take the blogger out next year?

  • Pasadena Trojan

    O line needs to look at this ceremony very hard and be determined to have a better season next year. When the q.v. wins it, it is actually the o line winning it due to their blocking and keeping the q.b. safe