• rusoviet

    Oh man is that telling or what?

  • RegalTrojan

    What else could you expect when as many as three dudes might have been yelling three different plays for one play?

    • rusoviet

      Tee Martin, Tyson Helton and big bra’ Clay

      • RegalTrojan

        Good thing you and I weren’t.

    • steveg

      You really believe 3 guys are yelling in plays? One is in the press box. What are those big cards for? Could it have been the receivers fault?

      • steveg

        Run/pass game coordinators do analysis of opposing defenses, design plays, blocking and then provide the plays they think will work in certain situations to be put on the play calling menu. HC with headphones has the opportunity to change it or contribute. The guys on the sideline make sure the right players are in for a certain play. Anyone thinking 3 people are sending in, or yelling in plays is showing their ignorance.

      • RegalTrojan

        Yeah, I know. Nothing is ever Helton’s fault. In fact, Helton is the Messiah of SC football, and he’s an omniscient HC, who can do no wrong. He’ll also guide SC to the PO and NC next year, and at least a half dozen more years after that.

  • LamontRaymond

    Zero chance a kid ran a wrong route. Zero….

    • steveg

      Wolf got all the fish to bite though. They jumped right in on Helton like that was a designed play. Hook, line, and sinker, bit the whole thing. It is obvious the WR ran the wrong route. Didn’t matter anyway, the RT missed his block and Sam threw it away.

  • Old Trojans never die

    I’ve seen this card system they have been using and I just don’t get why they use it, but it’s damn confusing. My guess is two players thought they were the Mona Lisa on that play

    • marvienna

      Sark’s idiotic attempt to be like Oregon.

      Wait until Chip Kelly gets started over in Westwood. One side will be a well oiled offensive machine with the cards. And the other will be a bumbling mess that stops every single play to look over to the sideline.

      But the inconsistent offense will be ok because the OC is a stud recruiter. Never mind that he sucks at calling a game.

      • RegalTrojan

        The “inconsistent” offense will be “OK”. Yep, I get your sarcasm just fine.

  • rusoviet

    Bruce Arians on Cowherd’s show today was opining about Saban coveting an NFL job that appears to be vacant (not AZ Cardinals) the NY Giants. That’d be great if he took it and the NYG brass picked Rosen – man imagine the shock ‘trauma boy’ would wake up to when Saban assays what a ‘blank’ Rosen is as David Shaw did.

    • Pasadena Trojan

      Saban would take Mayfield over Rosen. I would not draft that bum. I would take him as a walk on free agent.

      • Tebow_Obama

        How many of Saban’s QB’s have ever amounted to anything in the NFL? Yeah, so there’s that.

        • Fred Sampson

          That’s because Nick Saban builds his teams from the inside out, not always having to depend on a quarterback to win games, he does it the old fashioned way

          • Tebow_Obama

            Saban has always built his teams with the use of steroids. Relying on steroid strength works in college, but at the next level his players never having been taught technique at their positions is why most of them turn out to be busts.

      • steveg

        I agree, Saban would want nothing to do with Rosen. To much of a pussyboi.

  • Paul Muad’dib

    Is this Scott’s way of admitting the coaches did nothing wrong here? Maybe it was one of the receiver’s faults?

  • Bob Pace

    The receivers made a mistake but ultimate responsibility belonged to Darnold. He, as QB, should have seen that they were lined up incorrectly and fixed it. This is why he should have stayed another year.

    • GOMER HELTON

      Yeah, he’s going to do that with 5 seconds left on the play clock since it took the Three Stooges 35 seconds to get the play called

      • Gabby

        Walmart pays better…….just saying

        (Is that you, wolf)

        • Tebow_Obama

          You should know, you’re a Walmart greeter.

          Standing in the electronics section and watching t.v. on Saturday afternoons on your break is where Gabby learned so much about football, that and all the Football 101 classes she took at Cerritos College.

          LOL!

          • Gabby

            As soon as you finish giving wolf is daily hand-job

            (Don’t stare down the barrel)

          • Tebow_Obama

            How can anyone give Wolf a hand-job if your mouth is all over it, keeping up relations so that you’re continually allowed to post your stupidity here in this blog.

            With Pudly waiting his turn in line, holding yours and his Chapstick.

            LMFAO!

          • Gabby

            The only thing wolf is getting from me is a double crotch kick then you can go in and ice it down.

            And when you’re done with that, the toilet crew needs some help…….please report to owns…….thanks

    • rusoviet

      Don’t worry we’ll win again w.o. him next year just ask Clay – he;s got it all worked out.

      • RegalTrojan

        Lmao.

  • GOMER HELTON

    Welcome to Gomerville!

    • Gabby

      Welcome to toolville!

      • Tebow_Obama

        “Welcome to toolville!”

        Is what Gabby says to Clay Helton after Trojan games as Helton steps into the locker room, Pudly standing next to her of course. Ready to give Clay his post game rubdown.

        • Gabby

          As soon as you finish giving wolf is daily hand-job

          (Don’t stare down the barrel)

          • Tebow_Obama

            How can anyone give Wolf “is daily hand-job” if your and Pudly’s mouth is all over him?

            It’s not rocket science.

            LOL!

  • 04Trojan

    Flow. 2017 is OVER. Move on, dude.

    • GOMER HELTON

      You’ll see more of this in 2018, a lot more

      • Gabby

        And less of you!

  • UCLA Dynasty

    “Looks good to me.”

    – Jim Mora

  • Gabby

    BFD!,……..pointless, season is over.

    Hey wolf, sporting a little wood when you watch this play. How about a repost of the bush-push picture, you know the one with your ugly mug in the front

  • Trojan’d

    Coincidentally this is also what happened with wolfies hair genes… one was supposed to go to his dome, one to his nether region. Somewhere along the way the call got botched and voila!

  • Ted

    It’s the western Kentucky incest play! Except the receiver closer to the sideline didn’t bend over like he was supposed to!

    One of Helton’s finest plays!

    #KeepBendingOverON

  • Jethro G Sabbath

    This is really the USC video of the night? Who decides these things?

    • JBKayak

      I’m still looking for my ballot

      • Tebow_Obama

        You have to fork over the $1.50 for the monthly subscription to the Los Angeles Daily News in order to get one.

    • steveg

      There was a note in his donut box from one of his “nfl sources”.

  • Pudly76

    Anybody (wolf) heard why Helton went back east this week? Was it to interview a coach? Hmmm, somebody with a real connection and interest in furthering discussion might try to find out.. not here though. SOS from wolf…

    • steveg

      You would hope he is chasing an O lineman.

  • Fred Sampson

    If I were Clay Helton, I would immediately hire Darrell Bevell, and Tom Cable , because they would give the offense direction , and teach the offensive lineman how to fire off the ball, and be physical.

    • Tebow_Obama

      Hiring Tom Cable wouldn’t work, he would have the Trojans linemen working out in the weight room on Friday nights, they would miss all those Friday night player/family dinner get togethers that Clay Helton loves to hold during the season.

      • AtlDDS

        That would never do—no family group hugs.

    • steveg

      Neuheisel to Arizona??

    • Jack B

      There’s not a football person alive who doesn’t think Tom Cable is far superior to Callaway at USC. USC’s not into physical, pound you football. Reality.

      • steveg

        Jack, what role do you really think Swann is playing in all of this. Is he helping to recruit? Is he looking at assistant coaches? Or is he standing back letting Helton just hang himself, or is that the original plan, 3 years and out?

        • Jack B

          Swann’s playing the middle. He’s NOT going to dictate to Helton who can be on his staff going forward, unless $ is a problem. He’s a manager, not an owner and he already forced Helton to move his younger bro, which is a pretty big deal. No further coaching changes will be ordered.

          Swann gives advice and opinions, knowing Helton needs to do what he thinks is best. What good coach wouldn’t?

          Swann wants Helton to succeed. He likes him. Likeable guy. He doesn’t want to replace him and wants stability – a lot. And Swann has to give him 2018 to prove his plan and staff will work. 11-win seasons and P12 championships earn that.

          And Swann’s not really a recruiter .He’s busy with a lot of other stuff and USC has staff for that. Recruits may be impressed by Swann, but they’re never gonna be coached by him so his impact is limited to that of old, HOF football star they’ve seen make a few huge Super Bowl catches on highlights.

          Helton has decided to stand pat, right or wrong. His recruiting is still going well and he has to close on the big OL they want and see what the remaining USC NFL candidates decide to do.

          • steveg

            In the end I think we are going into the last year of a 3 year lease. When it ends the tenants will be moving.

          • Jack B

            Fine with me. The new coach will have some talent.

  • Fred Sampson

    USC: Offensive quality control Bryan Ellis is being promoted to quarterbacks coach sources tell FootballScoop. Ellis played quarterback at UAB under Neil Callaway (currently USC’s offensive line coach) and served as receivers coach / passing game coordinator with Tyson Helton at Western Kentucky before heading to USC before the 2017 season.

    South

    • Tebow_Obama

      Bryan Ellis…never heard of him, before Helton promoted him to call pass plays for the Cotton Bowl.

    • steveg

      Wonder who the “sources” were, sounds similar to Wolf.

  • Tebow_Obama

    That formation looks like the one Helton, Martin and Helton would use on 3rd and 10+ yards where they would have Darnold hand the ball off to Ronald Jones and expect him to pick up a 1st down with no blocking in front of him whatsoever.

  • B.Miller

    Its about coaching and preparation.. How has USC looked at these two aspects of the game all year? Even with weeks to come up with a game plan..

    • Tebow_Obama

      “game plan…what’s a game plan”?

      – Clay Helton

  • Independent_George

    Not right to blame coaches on this play.

    Looks like it was designed for Pittman. Looks like Vaughns was supposed to take the corner and safety to the deep middle, freeing up Pitman for a decent gain on the outside. Instead Vaughns, for some strange reason, after five yards, breaks for a short out.

    To me, this play is why lots of Coaches, from Saban down to Gomer, prefer to play experienced upperclassmen over younger, perhaps more athletic, but less experienced, less knowledable freshmen and sophomores

    • Tebow_Obama

      You can’t blame Michael Pitman, he was supposedly hurt on that play, but didn’t know it until he got to the sideline and Clay Helton told him so.

      • Independent_George

        Not Pitman’s fault. Vaughns’ fault for not taking the corner and the safety away.

      • Independent_George

        If Scott actually had any football knowledge whatsoever, he could have found a much better play to illustrate bad coaching and/or bad play design. But this is not one of them.

        What it is, instead, is one more example that Scott Wolf is perhaps the least knowledgeable football writer in America.

  • steveg

    Fish bait. It was stupidity by the WR. Love the RT on this one.

  • Tebow_Obama

    I hear this Bryan Ellis will be working hard during the spring figuring out which Trojan 4 and 5 star WR’s will supposedly be injured when the season starts. This way, hopefully, there will be less griping by players about playing time, seeing that they will be given a heads up as to their supposed injuries

    That’s Helton’s game plan anyway..

  • Tebow_Obama

    If Clay, Tee and Tyson didn’t know what play they were calling, how was the opposing team supposed to figure out the Trojans offense?

    And Clay Helton stuck with that game plan until the Trojans got to the Cotton Bowl when Clay handed the pass play calling duty over to this nobody that no one ever heard of.

    LOL!

  • Tebow_Obama

    “We’re considering red-shirting Toa Lobendahn for his final season at USC this year which should shore up our Injured Reverse list significantly”

    – Clay Helton

  • USC jojo

    What’s next, did Charles White fymble on the goal line?

    It’s going to be a long off season on “outside USC”.

    • steveg

      I think for anything at all worthwhile going elsewhere is a good idea. Wolf is totally either regressing or just plain uninformed.

      • USC jojo

        Could it be, he is both regressing and uninformed?

  • hoohoolianFUCLA

    To me, this is simply an issue of practice (of which CH has not been a big pusher). I would say the fault here lies with Vaughns running the wrong route. Pittman has far more experience, so he is less-likely to make that mistake.

    This should have been a three-step-and-throw play. Darnold had one chance and could have hit Pittman on his first instinct (at 0:04), but he saw Vaughns in the wrong position and pulled it back. When the DT got past Vorhees, Pitmann took himself out by coming back behind Vaughns, #23 was on top of Vaughns and Sam had to throw it away.

    Yes, this is easy to read on film and hard to do in a game at full speed, but also I wasn’t thrilled with RJ on the play:

    Just as a QB needs to make reads, RJ should be aware that Edoga has the DE well out of the play and that he could never run around Edoga to be of any use against the DE. More importantly he (RJ) puts himself in a bad position to get involved in that block because it may lead to injury. Trying to run around Edoga to push the DE back towards Darnold is foolish. His angle of attack leaves him unable to be in a position to effectively block and there is also the momentum of Edoga threatening to hit RJ from the side as he goes around to encounter the DE. RJ was complete ineffective.

    Ideally, RJ would be safer and in a better position to help protect Darnold by coming back to help Vorhees (regardless of the DT getting past Vorhees on this play). Vorhees is a true FR and is more likely going to need help than Edoga. OR, the play has him start after the DE, then cut back as an outlet so Sam didn’t have only 2 options (in the same spot) on this play. #5 had him shadowed, but would have been behind him for an easy toss from Darnold.

  • Ignore_the_trolls

    Wow, again the football IQ of Wolf and many on this board is put on display. In modern times, for a given play, a receiver will have a choice of patterns to run based on the coverage. It can be a bit complicated and yes receivers make mistakes. I guarantee you that if you gave me a coach’s reel from the ‘bama/Geogia game I would find a few plays where receivers ran the wrong route. To say this proves bad coaching is just ludicrous.

  • StokaNoka

    One WR making the wrong read on coverage and running a bad route. Next.