About That Pac-12 Bowl Record

Here’s an item from the Pac-12 office:

“Despite a 1-8 postseason record, the Pac-12 has produced a 22-21 (.512) bowl record over the last five years. Only one other Power 5 conference has produced a better bowl winning percentage in that span.”

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  • Fred Sampson

    There attempt to spin a negative into a positive, is weaker then their conference football teams

    • GOMER HELTON

      Larry Scott lives !!!!!

      • GABBY702

        So does Helton and his coaching staff

        • Lunderful

          But, but, but….I was told that Jack Del Rio is waiting in the wings. That he will join the program any day now.

          • USCDAN1986

            He’s there.. Yes he is!

          • GOMER HELTON

            No, no he isn’t

          • Chris

            Once again, you are the only person who knows this info. You are either a legend or crazy or think this is funny.

          • USCDAN1986

            I just know whats been going on.. You will be pleased.

          • rusoviet

            Well you keep claiming that but it sounds frankly less credible with every passing day.

          • USCDAN1986

            Not sure of the delays.. Well it is what it is.. JDR will be visible come football season.

          • rusoviet

            Come on Dan that’s a full 8 mos. hence. We all know if Helton loses more than 2 he’s gone – that could easily be by mid-September so frankly that isn’t much of a news flash. I like JDR but I sure hope Swann is making a stronger search than doing what Haden did with that clown Sarkisian.

            Lynn Swann needs to be convinced and Jack Del Rio has to make him convinced.

          • USCDAN1986

            He’s part of Swann’s staff.. Once the intern is gone JDR slips in.. Hence the 1 year contracts.. Swann is done with the intern.. JDR was hired to evaluate the team and start the 2019 recruiting class..He is in!

          • rusoviet

            ‘Who’ is part of Swann’s staff? Are you referring to Helton as ‘the intern’? It still is speculative

          • Chris

            Not if it is JDR. I am a raider fan, he’s no great shakes. If we are going to replace Helton, we can do a lot better than Del Rio.

          • GABBY702

            I keep hearing the same whisper in my ear

          • USCDAN1986

            JDRs new office is across from Lynn’s…

          • GABBY702

            The custodian’s closet?

          • GOMER HELTON

            The men’s room ?

          • USCDAN1986

            Lol

          • usc fan

            did you also see JDR at USC yesterday??

    • Peaceful Warrior

      Fred you call Shaw best coach in PAC 12. This year he had Heisman level RB, 4/5 stars across the O/D line and 4 Star QB. He got beat twice by USC and lost to SDSU. Why should anybody listen to you?

      • GABBY702

        Come on dude, you can’t challenge the voice of reason……LOL!

      • Fred Sampson

        I could careless who reads my comments, just a little FYI for ya !

        • Peaceful Warrior

          So you do it for the exercise?

          • GABBY702

            Emotional therapy

        • Peaceful Warrior

          I used to enjoy some of your comments but lately your remind me of some of these bozo UCLA fans posing as USC fans. It is just not that bad and we could be on the brink of putting the band back together. I’m not sold on Helton but he is head and shoulders above the last 2 clowns we had running the show.

          • GOMER HELTON

            Helton was nothing more than a gofer for the last two clowns SC had for head coaches. He’s a nice man, he would be a great youth pastor, he’s in way over his head as a head coach and he’ll be gone after this season

          • Peaceful Warrior

            Yea we’ve gotten your opinion over and over and over and over…….

          • gotroy22

            And we’ve forgotten your opinion over and over and over, rah rah.

          • 88 Straight

            Who would be your preferred lunch companion, Peter Strzok or Stormy Daniels?

          • gotroy22

            Now there’s faint praise, Helton is better that Pete’s basketball buddies.

      • Sandy Underpants

        Fred is right 99 out 101 times. Stanford wasn’t as good as USC last season, but the talent between the two is not even comparable, in fact SC is so talented they could win 11 games without a coaching staff. Imagine if Helton was coaching at almost any other school. You don’t need to imagine because nobody would have ever put him in that position.

        • Peaceful Warrior

          Last 3 years USC 6,12 ,1 in recruiting. Stanford has been 19, 19, 18. That is not even comparable? Add that USC was coming off sanctions and is just this year getting back to full squad.

        • Peaceful Warrior

          Over the last 3 years USC has had 15 players drafted and Stanford 13. Seems very comparable.

          • gotroy22

            Over the past three years USC averages #6 in the nation in recruiting and you try to tell us the talent level is the same as at Stanford? What a brainless rah rah you are.

          • Sandy Underpants

            Okay, and Shaw is 3-2 vs. USC over that time, with less talent. Anything else?

      • timmay

        I don’t think very highly of Shaw personally but before I get to that, no one would even remotely compare Stanford and USC’s talent. No one with honesty and sense.

        Regarding Shaw, his scheme is fine but his playcalling sucks as does the development of players in the post Harbaugh era. Shaw is a happy loser by his own admission. His teams show it. This is a man who also says he believes in keeping it close and then pulling it out in the end regardless of who they play. Wtf???

        Harbaugh is a funny dude, he’s a former QB but a QB killer, he seems to believe that kids are either supremely talented and NFL quality or he’s down on them. He’s where Shaw gets his ultra conservative game planning. Now he’s playing in a conference where all the top teams play physical ball, and with more talent.

        What both of them benefited by was Greg Roman, a very strong OL, TE and FB guy. He made it fun for the big guys on Stanford’s offense to play and he coached them well. Drevno was definitely strong too but he’s over his head as an OC.

        • Peaceful Warrior

          Agree with you 100% on Shaw. Good coach not great.Way to conservative on play calling. I’m not talking about the history of talent I’m talking since Shaw/Harbugh took over. You can very easily compare the talent. RB they have had 2 guys who have been at Heisman ceremony these past 3 years. They have better O/Dline TE talent. Harbaugh realized you can find a lot of big smart guys who want a Stanford education. Both lines are stacked with guys USC went hard after. TE they basically are an NFL pipeline. Every year like USC they get a 4/5 star QB. USC gets better Receiver, LB and safety talent. USC usually has better depth because they pull in more 4 stars but sanctions took care of that these past 4 years. USC is slowly getting back to place where we have quality talent on 2/3rd string after this recruiting class. Again the NFL is the best judge of talent and the past 3 years Stanford 13 guys and USC 15.

      • gotroy22

        Why should anyone listen to a brainless rah rah like you?

      • fryer tuck

        This is why Fred is blocked.

        • gotroy22

          Now I remember why I blocked you.

    • GABBY702

      When the families get together I bet you’re everyone’s favorite uncle

  • jim

    Pac-12 wasn’t a very strong conference this year. But they weren’t that weak either. You have to consider that UCLA, Arizona State and Oregon played without their head coach when these coaches moved on. Arizona was in the game all the way losing 38-35. Stanford was the same against TCU losing 39-37. Also, Washing ton only lost to Penn State 35-28. And SC played fairly well against a great Ohio State team despite what you heard on the news. Also, Utah beat a good West Virginia team. Washington State didn’t look good at all and there were no excuses. It was a bad year for the Pac-12 but 1-8 doesn’t tell the whole story.

    • Golden Trojan

      Unfortunately for WSU their QB may not have been doing too well emotionally, may he RIP. 50% is probably about right for most conferences, some teams come to win others don’t.

    • GOMER HELTON

      The weren’t weak ? Are you serious ?

      Utah only got their bowl bid because another conference couldn’t fill their quota

      • GABBY702

        If USC is garbage and the Pac-12 is also, why do you continue to come back for more day after day?

        Perhaps a day at the senior center can help fill your void

        • steveg

          He can’t void, that’s his problem

      • jim

        I didn’t say that they weren’t weak. I said that they weren’t that weak. I said “It was a bad year for the Pac-12 but 1-8 doesn’t tell the whole story”.

  • Still Doing the Rav Dance

    The conference would have been wise to heed the aphorism that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

    • steveg

      The conference leader is not what you would call wise. He could be called self absorbed though. Worst commissioner in the nation.

  • ItsAllAboutTheBall

    The Pac 12’s New Slogan … “It Just Means Less”

  • Paul Muad’dib

    Wolfie the hater. Despite what you feel about the pac 12, these are still facts.

  • GABBY702

    …..and a few years back the BIG10 was frowned upon.

    • steveg

      So true, then they got some new coaches and things started to turn around. They still have that loser image though.

      • GABBY702

        Ohio State revenge would be sweet

  • Chapelhilltrojan

    This stat I very misleading because other than the rose bowl we are not tied to any New Years bowl games. We are tied to lower Bowls so we do not play against the SEC and in the matchups vs other Power Five conferences it’s always our 2 vs their 3 or our 4 vs their 5. In addition we have games tied to Mountain West teams. To be at .500 is actually embarrassing.

    The stat that matters is our record in New Years Six and playoff games which we are at a disadvantage to play in because of our nine game conference schedule.

  • Sandy Underpants

    If you don’t include the bowl record for 2017 the 5 year stat is even more solid.

  • timmay

    I hate to be Captain Obvious here but the PAC 12 has not been matched up in the big BCS bowls as much as other conferences, so we’ve found ourselves with better match ups. This year should have been a great year for us as a conference in bowl games- for instance, USC, the conference champ, was not being forced to play the top Big 10 team. Our top is losing to other conferences’ middle now. #ItGetsWorse

    • StokaNoka

      Wait I thought OSU won the conference….

      • timmay

        We were the two dogs that got left out. As I went through before

        We ONCE AGAIN were left out and got smashed by the worst of the power 5, Ohio State, that was left out of the playoffs with us!

        Last year when Washington got in it got smashed in its first game.

        The year before the P12 ONCE AGAIN was left out. Bama, Clemson, Mich St., Okie played. We didn’t even get the second best Big 10 team- Ohio St was paired with ND. Several P12 teams were playing Confernce USA teams, us and Minnesota were Power 5 teams matched up with Group of Five teams in bowls.

        2014 We weren’t left out and again Stanford got smashed in its first game.

        2013 we ONCE AGAIN were left out. And once again, half of our bowl games were against non Power 5 opponents. Most of our P12 bowl match ups were against MAC teams and MWC teams!

        So for the entire history of the BCS playoffs we were left out 3 times, and every other time we made it we got pounded. Of the times we were not left out only once did we play another sub par conference champion, Ohio State, and we got smashed. The other times our conference champions were matched with non champions, going 1-2, a losing record to the 2nd and 3rd best of other conferences.

        And our bowl games have had by far the highest amount opponents as non Power 5 matchups vs our supposedly Power 5 conference.

        Think about that. This is a conference going in the pooper.

    • 4STP

      USC played the B10 champ, Ohio St., in the Cotton Bowl. Two division runners-up, Penn St. and Washington, both of which were 10-2, played in the Fiesta Bowl. Hardly a case of our top playing the middle of another conference in a major bowl. The next two best teams in the conference also played comparable teams. Our conference championship game loser, 9-4 Stanford, played the Big 12 conference championship game loser, 10-3 TCU. No top PAC team losing to a middle team from another conference. 9-3 Washington St played 9-3 Michigan St in the Holiday Bowl, with both being tied for 2nd in their division. The top four teams in the PAC played teams with as good or a better record, all of the opponents were favored in their games, and all were higher ranked in the polls, except for TCU. Our top did not lose to the other conferences middle.

      • timmay

        Yes we did! How can you argue that?

        We got smashed by the worst of the power 5, Ohio State, that was left out of the playoffs with us!

        Last year when Washington got in it got smashed in its first game.

        The year before the PAC 12 champion, Stanford was left out. Bama, Clemson, Mich St., Okie played. We didn’t even get the second best Big 10 team- Ohio St was paired with ND. Several P12 teams were playing Confernce USA teams, us and Minnesota were Power 5 teams matched up with Group of Five teams in bowls.

        2014 We weren’t left out and again Stanford got smashed in its first game.

        2013 we ONCE AGAIN were left out. And once again, half of our bowl games were against non Power 5 opponents. Most of our P12 bowl match ups were against MAC teams and MWC teams! lool

        You keep saying how you feel, not facts.

  • Grammymb

    Scott left out the last line of the press release. “Be sure to catch all of the PAC-12 action every Saturday night at 7:45, exclusively on the PAC-12 Network.”

    • gotroy22

      10:45PM EST.