Confident Carroll

First and foremost, lets run down the list of "infamous bruins"... Tyler Ebell had his charges dropped, as did Mojo Drew, as both were cases of MISTAKEN IDENTITY! As for The handicap parking issue, yeah, they were wrong to do what they did. And you know what our program did? They suspended players! What a novel idea huh? It amazes me how players at Fig tech can run wild, and all pom pom asks them to do is a few extra laps at practice, or sit out a quarter of a game. Not to mention the lost pizza privileges, that must really hurt. Are all of you dumb enough to believe that ALL these stories about USC are untrue, a witch hunt? Let us not forget about your last probation, where from 1970-1980 your pathetic little school had 330 academically deficient football players on it's roster, (an NCAA record, you must be proud!!!) Including the legendary Marcus Allen and Charles White. As Charles himself put it "It a real privilege. Don’t to many people get to play Rose bowl" Coming from a "speech major" that’s pretty funny. I just laugh at the b.s. pom pom tells you people, and how you dumb asses just eat it all up with your eyes closed to the truth. I can hardly wait for the sanctions, you can have all the cheaters and convicts you want. They'll all have fun together next December losing to UCLA again and watching the bowl season from home, or their prison cells, because your sham of a college institution is banned from any post season activity. Cheat on, rape on, and continue to buy the crap pom pom is feeding you morons. 13-9, hahahaha

jtk, don't you have lawns to mow or windows or wash or some other task that ucla students graduate to? Find you own blog.

Enjoy the memories of 13-9. Things will once again be back to normal in august. USC will be #1 in both polls and UCLA will still be irrelevant.

Get a life, dude.

Wow that guy has some anger management issues...

JTK,

I don't have an hour and a half right now to list all the violations, suspensions and criminal records of UCLA players....My favorite article to read, though, starts off like this: "Another former UCLA football player charged with.."

And to answer your question, yes, I do believe all these accusations about USC are untrue. Bush did not speak to McKnight on a speaker phone. Carroll has the phone records to prove it.

Everyone who has talked to bush about the "housing scandal" comes away saying "I am not worried anymore" it has happened like 5 times already

Leinart was staying in a nice apartment that his dad paid for but that is totally legal.

Sanchez was investigated by the police, no charges filed. End of story.

Everytime someone gets a hang nail at USC the USC haters such as yourself come out of the woodwork and try to call it a "scandal" and make it bigger than the assasination of JFK...

Geoff gave you some good advice...get a life dude.

jtk, 13-9 is that all you at fucla seem to remember, how about the year before, something like 66-19. I love the 'T' shirt..My housekeeper graduated from UCLA....oh! and so did my gardener. Speaking of morons, how many of your fucla football players were summa cum laude, or for that matter, even graduated, fewer than USC's.
You enjoy that 13-9 memory, cause' this year the Karl & DeWayne road show, will not be given any MERCY!

FIGHT ON!

jtk....I feel your pain man, but there "ain't no cure for stupid" as they say down on the farm....paybacks are sweet!...2007

I guess you just returned from your overnight mopping job and must have been unable to fall asleep. Thus, your immature and completely idiotic tirade. I'm sure there must be a drop of logic in you.... Bruin buddy.. You are ill. This is only just a game. Anger like this will stop your heart from ticking sooner than you would like fella !!! Take a few deep breaths and go to sleep now Johnnie.. You don't want to be late to work tonight..... Oh... and take a chill pill buddy... You want to live longer.... To continue to serve that sentence of living in your bruin skin.. now.. listen carefully johnnie... put your index and middle finger on your right hand together (that is your second and third fingers left to right in case you are not sure)... and wrap the other fingers around... now point those two fingers forward.... fight on 2 !!!!

From The Sporting News:

So is this really a program that is cheating and will do anything and everything to secure commitments, or is this simply some serious sour grapes? My guess is the latter, and I'll tell you why. If McKnight spoke to Bush, and that's a big if since everyone seems to deny it and no proof has come to light yet, it would be about the 100th time I've heard of a high school prospect speaking to a former college great about the legend's former school.

Attend a spring game or a football game at many major programs and you'll see plenty of former great players milling around the sidelines. You think these guys don't talk to recruits at all? It happens. And phone calls from former stars to recruits? That happens as well. I'm not saying its right, but if this Pandora's Box is opened, more schools than USC will be scrutinized.

As for the limo ride, USC has already taken care of that issue. Apparently they ordered a town car to pick up Price (legal), but the company ran out of them and sent a limousine (not legal) instead. If Southern Cal wanted to send limos to pick up kids, they would have done so for some more important targets than Price.

Maybe I'm naive, but I think this all goes away without much fanfare. McKnight will be on campus in August, and he'll be lighting up Pac-10 defenses by October. And as the recruiting process gets uglier and uglier due to a lack of an early signing period and the added pressure to land top players, more and more accusations will fly.

UCLA fans really are a sad, sad bunch. jtk's response is a fine example of what really differentiates the programs that matter e.g. USC, ND, Miami, Ohio St from those that don't. One team counts NCs and bowl wins the other counts moral and rivalry victories (A stat in which UCLA is also losing badly btw).

They'll be hanging onto 13-9 for years to come - even after USC has moved on and won 3-4 more NC's. It'll help them sleep at night and keep them nice and warm on the walk back to the car next year after another USC drubbing.

You awoke the beast in PC. Congrats for earning our attention again we were starting to take you for granted...

jtk- I have 2 words for you. Justin Medlock. Was driving drunk, rolled and crashed his truck, and left his date, a player on the women's golf team, pinned in the truck with a broken neck. He was found about a mile and a half away after fleeing the scene. Thank goodness the woman in question made a full recovery. How this young man did not end up behind bars is beyond me. These are all facts.

Unfortunately, when you are on the top, the microscope becomes much more high powered. What if Medlock had been a Trojan? We would probably be reading even more of your hateful blather about how Pete can't keep his program under control....

JTK...

You're not really worth much more than a few lines, so here it goes:

Congratulations on a well deserved victory back in December...

Having said that, that game was more of a fluke, one that SC paid for because it cost us a birth at another NC. If USC and UCLA played that game 10 times, SC would win it 9 times out of 10...

UCLA football is a disappointment to most Bruin fans. A friend of mine that follows UCLA tells me it's always the same thing with UCLA: They get going and win a few games, they get ranked in the top 20 and whey they expect them to win the next one, puff! they find a way to loose it and always disappoint you. My Bruin friend tells me he's always going to be a Bruin but he regrets the day when he decided he'd follow UCLA.

JTK, we know that UCLA's failures cause you great pain so I guess you want to pass some of it on to us... There's no room for pain in PC's world, we dish it out!

Keep on hurting, as long as you are a Bruin, you always will!

JTK, you are hurt, frustrated and jealous. You need two things: it seems you are in seriuous need of good sex, so get laid!!! And start following the real Pro style football team in L.A.: USC!!!

FIGHT ON!

Actually, Medlock was the one who flagged down the police in that accident. I believe that this is why he didn't do any time.

Actually dawson:

UCLA football player Justin Medlock was arrested and charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, the Los Angeles Daily News reported Sunday.

The Associated Press reported Medlock is also under investigation for felony hit

Medlock was driving a 1998 Toyota pickup on the San Diego Freeway in Inglewood about 3 a.m. Saturday with 20-year-old UCLA golfer Hannah Jun in the passenger seat when he hit a call box and the truck flipped over, Officer Tariq Johnson, a spokesman for the California Highway Patrol, said.

CHP officers found the truck with only Jun inside, and later found Medlock walking on an Inglewood street about a mile and a half from the scene, Johnson said.

Its pretty funny that 99 percent of you have never taken a class at USC, or trade tech, like the majority of your football team. Summa cum laude isn’t much of an achievement with half of your classes taken for you, especially when you’re a physical education major. Aren’t any of you capable of recognizing that UCLA is a FAR superior academic institution to USC? If you don’t believe me, pick up any notable publication listing the top twenty schools in the country. I know that's asking a lot, since many of you have never picked up any sort of literature that a four year old couldn’t conquer. With all those pretty little pictures and box of crayons that came with it, sounds like summa cum laude at USC to me. Your probation officers must be proud! UCLA's average score is about twelve,( I’ll pause while the SC grads take a moment to remove their shoes so they can finish counting). Back to the point, I've yet to see South Central University make any list, except possibly that funny little section they do in the paper about Americas dumbest criminals. Oh well. At least you have this form where you can all get together and pat each other on the ass every time USC gets away with another scandal and ALMOST wins a national championship. (friendly reminder, you have exactly one under Petey boy, and after the sanctions you won't even have that.) UCLA is a great place to get an education, as well as a University where you can excel in all sports, after all we do have more national championships than ANY other university. Gotta run, SCumbags. I have to admit, I laughed pretty hard when you losers kept talking about how mad I was, and how “ It took him like hours to type that”. Such simple little creatures. Nighty Night, take your verbal beat down like good little boys and girls. And by the way, can I get fries with that? Still 13-9 and riding the one game winning streak...later

Jtk - You kind of glossed over the list of infamous Bruins:

Sam Gilbert (aka Papa Sam) - lavished UCLA players under Wooden with gifts...according to former UCLA players. How many NCAA Championships would the Bruins have without Papa Sam?

Jim Harrick - lied about expense reports and recruiting violations as the UCLA Coach, and went on to inflate players grades with BS classes at Georgia...I'm sure that never happened at UCLA.

Ricky Manning, Tyler Ebell and Maurice Drew... per NY Post...”According to the police report, Manning and former UCLA teammates, Tyler Ebell and Maurice Jones-Drew bullied a student sitting at another table. Manning confronted the student with "Are you a faggot?", "You f---ing Jew," and then called him "an ugly f---ing Jew" and a "faggot." The student asked to be left alone and the football players beat him unconscious. Manning was also arrested for assault outside a bar in Westwood in 2002. FYI - Just because “charges were dropped” doesn’t mean it did not happen...and OJ is innocent because a jury found him not guilty!

Medlock (covered above) crashed a car into a call box on the 405 because he was wasted and then fled the scene leaving an injured female athlete in the car.

And who can remember after John Hale and Jess Ward were arrested for felony assault charges the great Daily Bruin Article: “Looks like discipline issues still exist under Dorrell as two of his own recruits get implicated in a fight off-campus”

And as far as Handy-Gate at UCLA. I love how when it suits your team, you condone inexcusable behavior of student athletes using Handicap Placards as being a “novel idea”.

Look at the latest academic rankings...isn't USC one spot behind UCLA, per the US News and World Report?
Stop spouting off like Westwood is Harvard or Princeton, your school is equivalent to SC academically.
The past five seasons: USC five BCS bowl games, 2 Orange Bowl Victories, 2 Rose Bowl Victories, 2 national titles. 3 Heisman winners 4-1 record vs UCLA.
UCLA the last five years: 1-4 record vs. USC. Sun Bowl Victory over mighty Northwestern.
It's pathetic really, if the roles were reversed UCLA would be just as defensive of their program as USC fans are. But, instead, they act as if they have some sort of moral highground. Based on what?

RE: JTK's comments.

I just want to add my 2 cents to your comments about UCLA's academic superiority to USC.

I'm a senior at USC (meaning I actually HAVE taken classes there...) and I am graduating Summa Cum Lauda with a degree in Philosophy (the analytical/logic theory/linguistics based kind, not the East-Asian hippie kind). I wanted to let you know that your inflated perception of UCLA's standing in academia is totally delusional. I've spent two and a half years working in Law (at the CA Attorney General's office and at a private firm) and I can tell you that the vast majority of professionals I've met consider SC to be a more prestigious institution than your community college... err I mean university.

Why do they believe that? Because the UC school system has become saturated with 3.0 minimum community college transfers from junior colleges. Sorry to tell you this, but in 10 years my SC degree will be worth about 100x more than your UCLA one. USC's standards for admission are tougher and our national as well as global pull is wider. We've created (and continue to create) incredible professional networks by bringing in the brightest kids from across the country. How do we get them? Well, as you know USC is stinking rich (with a multi-billion dollar endowment). See, instead of taking kids from Santa Monica college my school offers scholarships to students at the top of their respective classes -- this means that we garner a much more intelligent student body than your declining JC pipeline. So while you steal kids from Moorepark we steal kids from Princeton (my high school buddy with a 1600 on a full ride in the cinema school) Cornell (another HS buddy) and Rice (yours truly).

Face it, the only reason you even post on this blog is because you're aware of the fact that we are better than you. Why else would you take time out of your day to brag about a 4 point win at your house? Why else would you call us cheaters and curse our name?

It's simple -- you don't take time out of your day to caustically attack your enemies when they're not a threat to you. And that's exactly what's going on right here. If USC was 7-5 and going to the Emerald bowl every year I'm sure you would have much better things to worry about. The fact that you're posting on our board is proof that we're on top.

Fight On!

Actually, I remember reading that the charges against Medlock were reduced because he was found when he flagged down police. The article you put up was the initial article that he was being investigated, not what happened thereafter. I'm just trying to be more fair than the posters from Bel Air.

Actually, UCLA reports a higher first year median salary for graduating students, but the money offered UCLA students probably isn't a real indicator of prestige, in any case. Also, the one thing that UCLA has on us is that their entering freshmen have a higher average class rank than do ours. I'm just happy that my sister's SAT score was viewed as a 1300 by SC versus the 1220 as viewed by UCLA, becuase today she is a Trojan!

Jtk,

You are too funny! We Trojans appreciate and love when lonely and envious Bruins, like yourself, get fired up and take the time out of your long day to come over to Wolfie’s Blog (instead of that bore, Brian Dohn’s Blog) and give us the same long-winded and repetitive post (aka by Bruin fans as a very creative “verbal beat down”).

And thanks for including in your post the typical statement from an AARP Member/UCLA Graduate: “Aren’t any of you capable of recognizing that UCLA is a FAR superior academic institution to USC? If you don’t believe me, pick up any notable publication listing the top twenty schools in the country.”

FYI - UCLA has not been a Top 20 academic institution for at least a decade, and is not even the top public school in the State of California (that would be CAL).

But I took your advice, and picked up the US News & World Report 2007 College Rankings, and apparently you are the one that should start reading more current, notable publications. The following are the rankings that are pertinent to this discussion:

21. Carnegie Mellon University(PA); University of California—Berkeley
23. Georgetown University(DC)
24. University of Virginia; University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
26. Univ. of California—Los Angeles
27. Univ. of Southern California
27. U. of North Carolina—Chapel Hill
27. Tufts University(MA)

I am pretty sure that is No. 27 USC right behind that “FAR superior academic institution” aka No. 26 UCLA?

Jtk, this is my stereotypical USC response to your stereotypical UCLA post: You can beat your chest all you want after you click on POST, but at the end of the day you are still a Bruin and we are still Trojans. We have 11 College Football National Championships, 7 Heisman Trophies, a 41-28-7 all time record, the Song Girls, and we have a far superior Basketball Arena in a sport that we consider a distant second behind Football (unlike UCLA). Now stop wasting our time because this is a College Football Blog (which as a Bruin you are not really qualified to take part in), and get back to work before your Trojan boss fires your Bruin ass!

Billy Don Jackson, rigged admittance of relatives and friends in 1996, down under 'Tonya Harding' and the 'festive' softball skanks scandal.

hey bel-air boy when your state mandated newly affirmative action retiremenrt home for the left address Sam Gilbert get lost

Hey Wooden got a church named after him in New York City - St. John The Divine (or was it for JFK?) what's the difference.

'coach show us the way....only you can show us the way...if only you hadn't left when you did...'

Sorry he didn't stay then again gramps knew his 'rigged' run was over - far better coaches playing in tougher conferences and with a 6 game tourney instead of 4. Wooden the geezer...grandpa gummy bear

I'd just like to point out to jtk that if he refuses to recognize USC's AP national championship that should conversely mean that UCLA's 1954 national championship is illegitimate since it was awarded by UPI, a now-defunct press organization that held just as much authority to crown a national champion as the Associated Press does.

Also, I'd like to see some more people refute jtk's assertion that no one here ever took a class at USC. Class of 2007 had a great post, I'm sure there are more out there. Personally, I am a college senior and I do not attend USC. I gained admission to both USC and UCLA and chose to attend another college in the Los Angeles area for academic reasons - surprise, jtk, there are better schools out there than UCLA. Now go away and take ReelBruin with you.

Well put Class of 2007.

Fight On!

BA European History - 1972
Touton Hall, original '901' same per '32nd Street', moved to Orchard Ave. - nothing on the westside but limousine liberals who haven't any courage to drive east of Robertson. In 1966 the asses that 'ran' their state financed institution let their 'wards' decide if UCLA my sucla should build a football stadium where Drake Stadium is today. So fitting those clowns have to drive 30 miles through brutal traffic to play their 'home games' and even more fitting having to watch year after year when anyone but them play in the real Rose Bowl.

Frostee Rucker
Manuel Wright
Eric Wright
Rey Maualuga
Mark Sanchez
Winston Justice
Desmond Reed...

And that's all in the last what 4 years?

JTK - dude, don't even bother.

Oops forgot Herschel Dennis

Oops and Steve Smith and Dominque "Broken Bottle to the Face" Byrd

And Dwayne Jarrett
And Matt Leinart
And Reggie Bush

Phew! I'm gettin sweaty will these thugs and cheaters.

Sorry how could I forget Will Poole?

ReelBruin - why are you so obsessed with our fanblog site? Doesn't your team have a website so you and your friends can discuss your football championships and Heisman trophies?

Sure we do. It's great fun discussing all 99 championships.

ReelLame -

"its great fun discussing all 99 championships".

Wow, who'd of thought someone wearing powder blue likes to discuss girls gymnastics, softball, soccer, and other sports most other schools didn't have until recently.

Class of 2007, (how many of those classes came from trade tech, or is that just you’re football team that does that?) congratulations on going to USC. Maybe if you studied just a little bit harder, well, you know where I'm going with this. Maybe if your lucky you can do your post grad at the superior academic institution not far away...UCLA. At least you morons finally realized that we ARE BETTER THAN YOU. I'm sure I'll continue to hear a bunch of long winded "we're almost this" and "we could've this" and "I bet we'll this". Sounds a lot like a certain 13-9 game I remember not too long ago. Having a student body made up of mostly snobbish dead beats who had there father buy there way into college doesn’t impress me or anyone else. Better is better, learn to live with it. And I still welcome anyone’s attempt to refute the 330 academically ineligible players that were on your team from 1970-1980. Things never change in south central Los Angeles do they? Large coke, extra ice, and no mayo on that chicken sandwich you filthy trojan.....

LOL, you're a testament to that superior education, are you, JTK?

Maybe if "your" lucky, "there" father will buy you some English lessons.

'nuf said, MD. This guy is illiterate.

Well put, Class of '07. This jtk fool's grammar isn't so good when there are no squiggly green underlines like in Word.

Great rebuttals, my fellow Trojan fans, esp. JJ's.

Refresh my memory here - didn't that heathen terrorist Timothy McVeigh go to ACLU also?

"Make the world a better place - punch a Bruin in his face!"

"Sure we do. It's great fun discussing all 99 championships."
-ReelBruin

You must not have been an English major. I asked if you had a website to discuss your FOOTBALL championships and Heisman trophies. I already know how much you and your fellow bRuins love winning title "championships" Wow, so you have 99 total!? Sweet, but I hear San Jose State might be a challenge to your women's underwater basket weaving team next year so WATCH OUT!

To JTK:
Maybe if I study a bit harder? You mean, if get better than a 3.93 GPA and score higher than the 90-99 percentile on my LSAT's I can go to your incredible law school!? Oh buddy! That would be swell... that is, if I wanted to specialize in environmental policy law or Native American tribal counsels. Like I said, everyone in the legal profession within LA prefers SC over your grad schools. That's coming from someone who actually knows the industry. Deal with that.

Also, did you read anything I wrote? Why would I hit the books harder just to go to UCLA (ranked 26 by US News) when I could have gone to Rice (ranked 17 by US News)? My friends and I CHOSE to come here because the school offered us nice financial packages and access to the Trojan network. You'd have to be some type of idiot to pass that up.

But in the end, JTK, I can't really be upset with you. I might react in the same way if I were in your shoes. You know, being overshadowed by a group of people you feel are lower than you. Having to come to the cruel realization that most of what you believe in is fallacious. It must be hard for you, being so confused and all.

Personally, I'd be extremely embarrassed of myself and my institution if the highlight of my season was beating my rival at home, even if that did cost them a chance at the championship -- since that would just prove how unimpressive my goals were begin with. "WHO CARES THAT WE SUCK! At least we ruined the party for popular kids!"

That's your loser mentality UCLA.

UCLA is a far better academic school than USC???

Wow I have heard of delusional but...UCLA is about 1 step above a community college that let anyone in there...

I do like angry UCLA fans though...haha...kinda makes my day. It's so much different than in like 1999 when USC was no good and UCLA fans couldn't care less what USC did, shows me that Pete Carroll is doing his job and UCLA fans are angry and jealous. :)) And then they make themselves look even more stupid by coming on a USC site and posting trash like this guy. Although UCLA fans have never been known for having alot of class.

1 guy for ya, JTK, Justin Medlock. Drove drunk, rolled and trashed his car, and left some woman from the University of Common Little Adults golf team with a broken neck pinned in the car while he staggered off...that's how they do things at UCLA.

Directly from the UCLA website:

http://www.gdnet.ucla.edu/asis/infoserv/faq.html

"The University requires that an applicant hold a bachelor's degree from a regionally accredited institution, comparable in standard and content to a bachelor's degree from the University of California at Los Angeles, with a scholastic average of B."

You can get into the UCLA GRADUATE SCHOOL with a "B" average!! haha...try that at USC!! I mean heck, I can go to western michigan and get a "B" average and wham! I am UCLA material! haha

Then to top it off, their football team which has never done anything in 100 years of playing except make themselves look like a bunch of metrosexuals in their "powder blue" uniforms only get 10 recruits this year cause they can't even pay people to go there--although I am sure they tried. And their coach saved himself from working at Jack in the Box by luckily beating USC. :o))

So I can see why losers like this guy are jealous and have to try to talk some smack :o))

It says "applicant", not "admit". So, you have to have at least a 3.0 gpa to even have your application read. All I know is that it is extremely difficult to get into their law and business schools

Class of 2007, you're taking this a little too far. Take it from an SC grad who went to Stanford for law school, UCLA isn't known for Native American tribal law - it's known for kids who wanted to go to USC law school! Just kidding, I've worked in L.A., Bay Area, and now in OC, and the UCLA law grads are viewed as second only to Stanford (among the California schools) in all of those places. USC's law school is getting better, much better, but trust me when I tell you that UCLA's professional reputation is still quite a bit better. It's much harder to get into UCLA's law school, so you end up with a better starting group. To be brutally honest, getting law grads from SC is the back-up plan if firms can't get the UCLA grads. This is true in Los Angeles and Orange County. In the Bay Area, Boalt grads are viewed fairly evenly with UCLA grads.

USC grads are probably better in entertainment law. A decent number of graduates seem to gravitate to that sector.

Sorry dawson,

Have to correct you there. CAL has a far better academic reputation as a law school than UCLA. Maybe because you went to Stanford you chose to overlook them. And per U.S. News & Worlds Reports 2007 Law School Rankings for California: No.2 Stanford, No. 8 CAL, No. 15 UCLA, No. 17 USC, No. 43 Hastings, and No. 65 Loyola. However, as Class of 2007 points out, even though UCLA might have a better National Reputation (which SC is catching up to), if you are living in LA/OC, there is this little thing called networking that my UCLA friends (I mean acquaintances) do not have the same luxury of having.

Like Ken Norton said, "You are a Bruin for 4 years, but you are a Trojan for life!"

Trojans be kind to jtk for he knows not what he wants or knows his direction in life....or get a life..we can't cure stupid.

To be honest, the U.S. News & World Report rankings aren't even looked at by the legal profession. They have no bearing on reputation. A great number of schools don't even report data to the survey (Stanford went a several years without reporting anything), so the editors use their best estimates. Heck, with the undergrad rankings, they even allow us to report our inflated SAT scores and compare them directly to the rest of the schools who require scores from a single sitting.

It's great that Stanford is #2, but we never even bothered to look at this report. The weighting they give to things like alumni giving are so arbitrary and have no bearing on quality education. All of these schools have huge endowments that allow them to whatever they want. Just because Stanford has a bigger endowment than UCLA, Cal, etc doesn't mean much - we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars that never even get tapped into. The data inputs are so poor - it's garbage in, garbage out. The U.S. News and World Report rankings sell magazines, but they are probably the least reliable.

This is my personal opinion, but shouldn't entering undergraduate classes be measured based on high school class rank? It would factor out grade inflation, which is rampant here in OC, and it would factor out the SAT score comparisons which are no longer accurate now that we used the inflated score calculation. I still don't understand why we made this change, unless it was designed to give us the boost in rankings that resulted from it, but I digress. Another measure would be how much money the graduates make upon exiting school, but some schools place a lot of graduates in the social arena, where they are paid less but probably do greater good.

Another problem with U.S. News & World is that they do not measure the quality of faculty. Why not? This, more than anything, is what matters, but it is totally overlooked. UCLA has some of the best law professors in the country - Stanford has been trying to lure them away for years. However, the biggest problem, as I mentioned, is that many schools no longer provide data to the magazine. I don't know if UCLA has started providing data again, but they did stop a few years back, and they fell about 6-7 spots in the rankings. They used to be a perennial top-10 school, but the year they stopped providing information was the year they got punished and dropped in the rankings. If you don't provide updated material, the editors make guesses based on previous figures. It's the worst ranking system out there.

This whole discussion is completely arbitrary because every ranking system is flawed and every school wants to make their own stats look good. UC schools allow for AP grade inflations where most other private AND other public schools only give you course credits. And you did not answer my previous question? For undergraduate admissions, does UCLA count their transfer students SAT scores when they report their numbers? Isn’t it inflating a school’s admissions stats when you do not include SAT scores for a large percentage of your student body?

While I thank you for responding on behalf of the legal profession as a whole, many of us on this website are also USC Law School Graduates and have our own independent thoughts. And while you claim it "may be the worst ranking system out there”, it is still what many college advisors at top private college prep schools in LA look at when they apply for school, as well as college advisors that are helping students apply to Law School. Guess what, the BCS is also a horrible ranking system, but we are stuck with that one as well, and that is the ranking system that the majority of college football fans care about. Be happy you didn’t go to UCLA, and that you went to the No.2 ranked Law School!

Now can we get back to discussing USC sports?

I agree. We have Carroll to worry about for the moment. It's weird because Carroll's son said that the only job he NFL job he could ever see his dad wanting is in San Diego, but this was a few months ago, before the playoff debacle.

One last question for my own edification. Does UCLA allow freshmen transfers from community colleges? The rankings usually only include incoming freshmen classes, and I didn't think kids could transfer into UCLA until their junior year. I might be wrong. Doing a quick search (I'm on paternity leave, by the way), I couldn't see anything on freshman jc transfers to ucla, but I did see that they admitted 577 JC students in 2004, though these were junior transfers.

Dawson - I appreciate your response to my post. However, I think you missed out an important qualification that I placed on my statement. Like I said, I was discussing USC Law School's reputation from a personal point of view, based on the reactions of attorneys I have worked with in the L.A. area. It could be the case that I've only been exposed to a very large group (read: thousands) of USC loving attorneys at the public and private level here in L.A., but my senses tell me that this wouldn't be very probable. I know dozens of attorneys who have graduated SC, UCLA, Boalt and Stanford and my personal impression has been that lawyers believe thatStanford takes the crown in California, followed by Boalt, and then USC. But while when it comes to cross-town here in L.A. I haven't heard anything positive about UCLA over USC. But like I said, I could be wrong.

Also, your point about law schools reporting to US News is incorrect. As someone who owns multiple copies of them (sad, I know) and is going through the law school application process right now I can tell you that all law schools report their statistics to the ABA who, in turn, fully disclose to US News. This is why the ABA's new policy to only record the highest LSAT score of a pre-law student has created so much controversy with students in the past 8 months.

In any case, Fight On!

All Division I football programs will have problems with bad eggs, especially if you are taking marginal students to maximize the athelete component. I think however the question here is how do you deal with these problems? Bob Toledo was fired not because he was losing, but because he did not discipline his team. Remember Dorrell SUSPENDED Medlock before the biggest Bowl game of Dorrell's career. Carroll only suspends you if you spend too much time with you family and come back late from Christmas break not for using a phony ID and underage drinking, not for assaulting someone at a Halloween Party. I think that should be the issue here, how does Pete keep the program under control? Or is all forgiven because of the Heismans and glass footballs? Where is this character building stuff? I think there is plenty of dirt to throw around...but the home of OJ Simpson shouldn't throw too many Heismans through glass windows.

Bust: DE Junior Lemau'u, UCLA (#15) – Charges of armed robbery and violations of team policy got Lemau’u booted from the Bruin program a little more than a year after signing his letter of intent.

UCLA....:o)) hahaha

Tommy who gives a crap if he "SUSPENDED" Medlock as you say, THE FRIGGIN GUY ALMOST KILLED A GIRL DRUNK DRIVING!!

AND YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOME KID USING A FAKE ID!!

ARE YOU REALLY THIS STUPID???

HEY MAN GET LOST YOU LOSER

Tommie we're waiting for Wooden's permission re. Sam Gilbert uh can you help?

HEY USC66 as if you really graduated from USC unlike me. If you like to flame, flame on, but it only shows your lack of intelligence.

OJ SIMPSON actually KILLED two people. I don't see his Heisman gone from Heritage Hall. By the way Sam Gilbert is dead so you might have a long wait.

My point is quite simple...What Discipline does Pete Carroll exert over his team? Does Pete Carroll stop his team from excess or does he just want to win championships? Remember Carroll did not discipline Eric Wright...that was the University. So keep your head in the sand if you want and be suprised when the NCAA comes down on SC like a ton of bricks. So better enjoy it when you can.

Sam Gilbert is dead. You have a long wait.

True Tommie but Saint John The Divine is still alive and kind of kicking - (pssst understand St. John has a deal in place with a biographer that all will be quiet on the bel-air front until grampy dies per Sam Gilbert - Joe DiMaggio baby all over again - hey come to think of it the same fertilizer run...where have you gone Johnny Wooden the whitebread bel-arians turn their quiche plates to you - come on back Tommie former ad Peter Dallis is playing a round at Bel Air CC again - long drive for Petie.....

waiting for de end of de coach - Steve Lavin sure wanted it to end - how about you whitebread?

(at your leave maestro)

Like Class of 2007, I am a senior at USC, albeit a print journalism and international relations major. For the record, USC Annenberg is widely regarded as among the top five in journalism schools, and the IR school was the second established historically after Aberystwythe, consisting ranking highly. I got into USC, UCLA, UCI, Pepperdine, LMU, and CSUN--the only schools to which I applied, as staying in close proximity to my family was a factor with my father in ailing health--with a 3.6 GPA and a 1470 SAT and a 32 ACT. Note that UCLA does not have an undergraduate journalism program, and I instead applied as a Spanish major. Conversely, my 3.9 GPA-carrying friend, with her 1400 SAT, did not get into UCLA. She goes to Northwestern. Another friend's 3.1 GPA and 1200 SAT were sufficient. It should come as no surprise that she's Asian and her application essay included a sob story about her parents' struggle emigrating from Korea and barely keeping open their nail salon, which from going there myself, I know is in no financial peril due to the hefty cash business. Yet another friend applied with a 3.7 GPA, a subpar 1070 SAT score, and a sob story about her heroin-addict sister; she got into UCLA and she will be graduating with a triple-major (:O) in broadcast journalism, Spanish, and international relations with me in May. My last example has to do with a friend whose 4.0 GPA and 1550 SAT score easily qualified him for UCLA. He's a fellow Trojan in the astronautical engineering program here, another aspect UCLA's undergraduate curriculum sorely lacks. Of course I have friends who got into USC who go to UCLA. I asked them why UCLA? Their answer is usually to the tune of, "They're comparable and it's cheaper." I considered UCLA, as my father was a diehard bRUIN fan for more than 50 years. I couldn't bring myself to go there. The connections are sorely lacking and from friends who attend, I found out that they frown upon double-majoring and minoring because the school is impacted all around, especially by the ever-growing junior transfer population. I'm not going to say UCLA is a bad school because it's a fantastic school. However, USC is just as good, and in some ways, even better. Both schools have their advantages, and both schools have their comparative disadvantages.

About athletics, I would get into this at length, but I don't wish to entirely embarrass UCLA fans and demean their world-class gymnastics team (on which a friend of mine competes). UCLA has 120 national championships total; USC has 103. Of UCLA's championships, 99 are sanctioned by the NCAA; 86 of USC's are NCAA national championships, including 73 men’s NCAA titles and 23 women’s titles. USC has the second highest total of championships in college sports, second only to UCLA. Counting major college sports only (football, volleyball, water polo, basketball, baseball) is an entirely different ballgame.

FIGHT ON!

--Ashley, c/o 2007