Quarterback derby

I attended most of training camp in 2006 and Booty beat out Sanchez on a daily basis by a country mile. It was not even close. I do not recall anyone who paid attention say anything different than that. There was never a doubt that Booty was better.

2007 clearly showed that Booty was far more talented than Sanchez. Again, not even close.

Sanchez was horrible in those three games he started in place of the injured Booty. Sanchez's interceptions against Oregon cost SC not only the game, but also the season. Whereas Booty's interception during the season (with the exception of those with the broken hand in the Stanford game) were due to receivers tipping the ball or not being where they should have been, Sanchez's interceptions were all his own fault. He threw into triple coverage during the Oregon game and that is unforgivable. He is simply not equipped for Division I football and he proved it during those three games. Any aura he had that he may have been better than Booty was finally shattered when people actually saw him play with their own eyes. Just horrible.

Mustain is the real deal. He is far better than Sanchez and will beat him out.

I don't understand the negative about Sanchez after his three games. He wasn't the reason for the loss to Oregon. Yeah, he threw 2 interceptions, but the last one was with time running out. The one thing that stood out to me was the quote by PC that Sanchez was an athlete. Not a running QB, but an athlete that can make things happen. Never felt that way with Booty. If the pocket broke down, Booty was in trouble.
PC is loyal, but he is also conservative. He plays the "bend, don't break" defense with the CBs playing back to not give up the long pass. He also doesn't want the offense to have turnovers. Last year we rarely threw down field. It keeps the games close when we are having an off game. SC hasn't lost a game by more than 7 points in around six years.

Agree. Sanchez = Turnover machine.

He cost USC the Oregon game, period.

I guess you guys are giving Havili a free pass with the Oregon game. His fumble cost us as much as the first interception. Again, the last interception was in desperation with time running out. Face it, Oregon out played us. If Dixon didn't get hurt, Oregon would have been in the BCS title game.

I will never forgive Sanchez for the Oregon loss and those interceptions he threw. If that's the garbage he's pulling even after three years in the program, then thank goodness we now have Mustain.

Funny that I happened to rewatch the Oregon game yesterday, which I also attended in person. I think everybody is partially right. Havili had a terrible game, and I think his fumbles (he actually had two) cost us the game more than Sanchez's play. With Sanchez's last interception, we had less than a minute to go and he drove us all the way down to the 30 yard line with 4 consecutive, excellently thrown passes. THAT SAID, he did throw into triple coverage, although it wasn't tight triple coverage and looked more like double. Fred Davis was being shadowed, and he failed to get in front of the ball. He had a very bad game that day. So, while Sanchez's pass was unwise, he definitely did not cost us the game. It was sloppy penalties, sloppy ballhandling, and bad routes by the receivers (until the fourth quarter) that cost us the game. Despite all of that, we still only ended up behind a touchdown to (what at the time) was a better team than us. The team needed to be close to perfect playing in Autzen against a red-hot Ducks team, and it was not.

What about the fact that Oregon gave us the ball on their twenty yardline on the first play of the game, and we failed to get any points out of it? We then failed to get a touchdown again after Sark called a wheel route to McKnight on 4th and 1.

I think Sanchez has the tools to be an exciting, great QB. I think the same of Mustain. If Sanchez wins the job and then starts to faulter, I would have no problem putting in Mustain.

Maybe Sanchez lack of prep is a direct result of Coach Pete's selection of QB coaches. I mean, he had the best QB coach college has seen and he ran him out of town. So, before you all go jumping on the kid, maybe you should look at his coaching since he's been at USC, three cheers for Yogi Roth !!!!

AND, to say that Sanchez cost USC the season with his play at Oregon is asinine, did you all forget the Stanford game?? Losing a HOME game against a HORRIBLE opponent, as opposed to a ROAD game against a top 5 opponent, well you can blame Sanchez all you want but I'd say the season was lost against Stanford by Coach Caesar.

I think they'd both do well but I'd like to see Sanchez given a shot at the starting job. He's been patient and in the system longer.

Booty earned his spot and had the support of the whole offense.

Sanchez did his best in stepping in for Booty while he was injured, but the Coaches got JDB back in as soon as he was ready.

Let the competition begin and every Coach wants the best players on the field. Any other speculation is way off track.

First of all to greengable: A wheel route is a passing route, not a running play. Yes, we did hand off to McKnight, but that is not called a wheel route.

Second of all. If Sanchez had outplayed Booty, do you really think the team would have elected Booty as a team captain when he had never played a meaningful down in his career to that point?

First of all to greengable: A wheel route is a passing route, not a running play. Yes, we did hand off to McKnight, but that is not called a wheel route.

Second of all. If Sanchez had outplayed Booty, do you really think the team would have elected Booty as a team captain when he had never played a meaningful down in his career to that point?

One final comment on the Oregon game. Oregon had the game in hand and began to play conservatively (which almost cost them the lead in the end). SC had no clue how to play Dixon that day.

I never said a wheel route was a running play...I just didn't remember it as a handoff. I remembered it as a screen or a wheel route, but perhaps I am wrong. Good point.

Also a good point that SC did not play Dixon well that day...they didn't execute when they did have a clue. Specifically, there was a lot of overpursuing that day. At that point in the season, overpursuing was a bit of an issue.

greengable........glad to see that there are some who are reasonable fans. As for "azbet" and "Bernard4SC", you guys remind me of Irish and LSU fans. I know, low blow. But come on, get over it. Oregon outplayed SC and no one player cost that game. I guess it just makes you feel better to blame one player and think that if he hadn't made any mistakes we would have won. Even with that lose, SC would have played in the BCS title game if they hadn't blown the Stanford game.

I am waiting patiently to express my humble two cents.
Thnx

Sanchez showed signs of being an excellent QB last year. You guys who blame him for the UO loss simply don't have a deep understanding of football. Bad offensive play calling (Sark), bad decision not to take the FG on 4th down on the road (Pete), bad WR play, no running game, bad Havili game, etc. Sanchez's last INT was a great defensive play from a DB who was lined up on the opposite side of the field with a shadow on Freddie D. UO played great and would have been in the BCS w/out the Dixon injury. I believe that Sanchez will be a star next year, and I can't wait to see it happen.

The problems that Sanchez had in those three games had nothing to do with game jitters (which should never be an excuse at the Pac-10 level anyway) as they only emphasized the same issues he was known to have had during practices and scrimmages the previous three years.

He DID throw into triple coverage in the Oregon game. That cannot be disputed. He also stared down the receiver. Again, cannot be disputed. This is Pop Warner nonsense that has no business at USC.

If Pete Carroll is honest and is true to his word that a position is determined based on talent and competition, then Mustain should beat Sanchez going away. Sanchez is simply a liability out there on the field and that's not even getting into his poor judgment and character based on his numerous off the field issues, which are an embarrassment to a fine academic institution such as USC.

IT wasn't just the interceptions Sanchez threw. One was his fault, the other was if I remember correctly a receiver (Ausberry?) quitting on his route.

It was also Sanchez' lack of discipline, breaking from the pocket early and unnecessarily.

Booty was a good quarterback but he did not impress me as a great quarterback. However, he was patient and he paid his dues so when the competition was close with Sanchez I think the nod should have went to Booty, which it did. Hey, the reason the season did not end up better was because of the TEAM's lost or Stanford! Period!

I think both Sanchez and Mustain will go into Spring even. I remember the Arkansas game where Mustain came in and moved the ball against the Trojans, and then he played well in several games after that. So really, he has more game experience than Sanchez. It will come down to whether or not Mustain knows the offense enough to really compete and beat out Sanchez.

Sanchez is very athletic, and he should lessen his mistakes with game experience. (He and others cost us the Oregon game.) LV trojan - Mustain moved the ball against USC 3rd string in the late stages of the 4th Quarter. Still, all indications are that he is the real deal. May the best Trojan QB win.

On yeah, can we use Corp as a change of pace, and install an option package? We could run the wishbone and power-I with three RBs...since we have so many. We could use a power back (Havili, Green, Bradford, or Tyler), a tailback (Gable or Johnson), and McKnight.

El Cap....Before your patience wears thin and you jump in here...let me say before you do...I believe that I'm going to agree with you this time!

greengable, your reasonability is refreshing and pretty much concurs with my opinion.

At this stage, I hope that Sanchez gets the first shot. He has earned it and deserves that shot! If he falters or is injured...I'm just glad that we have a decent backup in Mustain. I'm convinced that it's Sanchez turn unless he comes out this spring and totally sucks which I strongly doubt would happen.

Granted MM has those wins at Ark. However his numbers that led to those wins are not all that impressive, especially INTs to TDs. Give him his props, wins are wins but one should look at the specific competitions during that portion of his season. There was a significant lack of the SEC big boys and and or tough road games during that run.
His best win was vs Auburn, at home, and he only threw for 87yds and 1TD. That game was won by the defense. Alabama was a bottom dweller that year also and he threw for under 100yds. He only threw for over 100yds three times...119 vs Utah St, 157 vs Ole Miss and his best game against powerhouse (vbg)Vandy where he went off for 224. The rest of his schedule he couldn't even break the 100ypg barrier. Granted he was a true freshman, but what accolade his history garners, one must realistically look at those signigicant details.
GoliathTrojan

Goliathtrojan:

1) Sanchez's INTs to TDs this year was far worse than Mustain's 2006 season at Arkansas.

2) No such thing as "it's his turn" in Pete Carroll's system.

3) Mustain put the first team Trojan defense to shame on a daily basis throughout the season and won all kinds of praise from the players, coaches, reporters and observers. Sanchez faltered on a daily basis against the third string defense and had the same issues in game situations.

4) With Mustain as starter, Arkansas went undefeated. Without him as starter, they did not win again, despite having McFadden and Jones. So I doubt his presence was "insignificant" and the wins came despite of him

5) Mustain beat the No. 2 team in the country on the road, while neither Booty nor Sanchez can make the same claims. I've been to Auburn (2003 game against SC) and that is a very, very hostile environment.

Bottom line - Mustain is the real deal. He will beat out Sanchez.

OK Voodoo...
Your first comment is incorrect!

Your second comment omits the qualifier..."He's earned it"!!

#3 is also for the most part unsupported fabricated exagerration.

#4 Casey Dick had better QB ratings. Arkansas finally at that point had to play some contenders (I'll give you Auburn). Possibly MM could have helped win one of those last games, but all I'm saying is that with the numbers he posted against their initial patsy schedule (after the SC game), I strongly doubt that he'd have turned around those later losses.
#5.. The fact that you've been to Auburn 4-5yrs ago is a useless fact. However on another point.. Heck, the entire SEC is hostile.
Your last point, ok possibly MM is the real deal...but Mark Sanchez aint exactly chopped liver..he's so far EARNED his current status in the program and is currently the starter until he gets injured or beaten out. I guess that the competition will decide that.

Goliathtrojan:

1) Sanchez has not EARNED anything. You earn the starting spot through competition, not length of time in the program. Did Matt Cassel earn the starting spot? Did Mike McDonald earn the starting spot?

2) Mustain's performance against the USC first team defense this past season is well known. Hardly "unsupported fabricated exaggeration."

3) You are not a Trojan, so do not call yourself "Goliathtrojan." You never earned the title of Trojan. It is offensive to actual Trojans.

Bottom line - Mustain is the real deal. He will beat out Sanchez.

That's true, Sanchez has not earned one darn thing at USC. It is also true that the problems he displayed during those three games were the same problems he routinely had against the 3rd string defense in practice the past couple of years.

The reason Mustain gets so much good ink throughout the country is directly correlated to his very impressive performances against the 1st string Trojan defense. By all accounts that have come out about Mustain, he does appear to be the real deal and not some hype. You cannot say a record of 61-2 as a starting quarterback since 8th grade is merely a coincidence and has nothing to do with his talent. Mustain is something special and will show it in the Cardinal & Gold.

Fight on!

Aww Jeez,
Damn Mr Voodoo...I'm not a Trojan! The fact that I use the nick Goliathtrojan is offensive to you and other so called actual Trojans? I have to honestly doubt that "actual Trojans" are offended that for over 60 years I've bled C&G as a passionate fan and supporter. My family members of which two are "actual" Trojans are not at all offended by my Trojan patriotism. I'm very sorry Voodoo, that it so offends you that I support OUR Trojans. I'm going to assume,that my career of defending your liberty and freedom to become an "actual" Trojan was wisely spent and honorable enough to allow my support and favor of my wonderful Trojans to exist. (Even though I cannot even claim to have ever been to an Auburn home game) Hopefully that part of me does not offend you or at least many of the "actual" Trojan bretheren for whom you assume to speak for!

You indicated that Sanchez has not earned anything! OK then I guess it must have been Mitch Mustain that "actually" earned the fact that Sanchez is the current #1 QB on the team? Hey..I've always said that competition is the factor. Let it happen. I don't knock Mustain, I just don't knock Sanchez either. I wish the best for all of them to succeed. Don't be too miserable if Mark Sanchez holds on to his status, just root for the Trojans to excel with whomever becomes the starting QB. I root for all of these kids "actually"
GoliathTrojan...."actually"

To Goliath:

If you served our country, you would not need to bring it up on a message board. Knowing it is enough. But the fact that you choose to bring it up to somehow justify that you are a Trojan (which, by the way, I also do not consider you to be one) is preposterous, completely unrelated, and outright stupid.

If one supports the LA Lakers, does that mean that make them a Laker? Obviously not.

Anyone can support a college team, but that does not make them a representative of that university. The Unibomber was a Harvard graduate, but does that mean his family members can claim to be Harvard Fellows?

You and El Capitan deserve each other. Just poorly educated, uninformed non-Trojans who cannot make an argument, so try to bring unrelated "facts" into the equation.

Thank you.

Man, goliath just got owned!!!!!!

What makes a Trojan? I agree, you can be a Trojan fan, but you are not a Trojan unless you went to school there. I moved to Arizona in 1990, and amazingly I became a Suns fan after growing up a huge Lakers fan. Same for the Diamondbacks. But I will never vavor ASU over the school I attended. I'm a Trojan. I'm also a big fan of Nebraska since both my parents went there. But this doesn't make me a Husker. I will say that some of us are getting pretty arrogant and remind me of ND. Enjoy the success, but remember the Hackett days and have some class.

Jeez, just run me off for supporting the Trojans, yeah for @6 decades! How shameful I must be! I guess that now I must have come to the "actual" realization of why so many out there despise my favorite team, or is it just a group of their fans? What a shame! Especially because the team in no way reflects the BS attitude that preceeds this posting. Im so glad that my actual family member Trojans have never shown me that side.
Fight on anyway,

Redondo...How about using your fabulous USC education to actually read with comprehension what I wrote above. My 40+ yrs of federal service was never meant nor inferred to justify my dedication, support or joy to favor the Trojan athletic teams, it was just a proud part of my life that needed to be done, It just happened to come during those years that kept me from being able to attend such a fine university as USC. I just meant that maybe that time served was in part a good reason as to why you had the freedom to have been able to attend such a fine institution. I'd have cut off my arm to have gotten the opportunity to get to attend USC.

ericb....rediculous

I am offended by the fact that you attacked Goliathtrojan for defending this country. I did the same. If any of you don't like that on a couple of occasions we have mentioned our service I got two words:
TOUGH $#*T.
I attended another college so what. Quit e a few of my classmates turned out to be medical technologists, doctors and lawyers. I don't know where in the hell some of you ignorant idiots get the right to verbally abuse someone that you don't know anything about. azbet is a damn moron that calls me an illiterate because he doesn't agree with me. If I am such an illiterate would I be able to express myself this way? The only thing I am going to say about Sánchez is that the few of you that do NOT like him do NOT have the gonads to say you are so damn prejudiced. Instead you trash him continuously. It seems that the rape allegation got old to the point of a worn out record.
That false sense of Trojan "ownership" does NOT give any of you the right to tell Goliathtrojan or myself who in the hell to root for. This is a FREE country and him and I have done more for this country than a lot of you combined. So stick it where the sun doesn't shine, got it? So enough of that damn Bool $#*T.
Goliathrojan try to get in touch with George Tirebiter and get my email address from him and drop me a couple of lines, thanks.

Luis, Luis, Luis...does anyone even care if you are offended? No, it just makes them laugh even more. Do you not realize that you are considered a joke whom everyone laughs at and dismisses as the village idiot?

If anyone wants Luis' email address, write to me, I have it, along with these emails he has sent to reporters. Funny, funny stuff that is forwarded to many people, creating a lot of laughs among actual Trojans. Just nonsensical garbage by some uneducated fool.

Some kind? of Trojan in Redondo,
It is rather stunning to have read your obvious lack of respect of anothers military service career. I certainly hope that during your exemplary and very prideful education, they at least taught you the heavy price that our veterans past and present have paid and are paying now to allow you to live with the freedom and liberty that you/we enjoy today. Your assinine attitude is an embarrassment to real Trojans. That Goliath guy is just a good fan, by his previous entry, for probably longer than you've even been alive. I don't believe for a minute that you 'worked him', but rather you just showed you A*%.

Gillyking

Gillyqueen, nice try you prejudiced AH. BTW I was in the service longer than you. Have it your way dear queen. BTW I don't have anything near remote against Gt. I definitely have a problem with your obvious BS and definitely prejudiced attitude.
02 P T:
Keep hiding cowardly behind a keyboard. You will make a mistake with your loud mouth...

Capitan, you should just zip your lip! I was not even commenting to or about you. Grow up and quit being such a nuisance! Try keeping your garbage in your own shed.....err house.

Zip your lip Luis! I was not commenting to or about you! How about keeping your garbage in your own shed..err house!

Gillyqueen:
abcde*>yourself. You deserve the comments rear end kissing idiot. This is a FREE country(I served longer than you, OK?) and I open my mouth whenever the hell I feel like it. Do you want to do something about it you stupid redneck?