A rival athletic director had this to say on USC's hiring of Lane Kiffin: ``If they get Norm Chow plus Ed Orgeron and Monte Kiffin, Winnie the Pooh could be the head coach.''
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Trojan Conquest said:
True, but didn't you complain about Carroll not hiring good, experienced assistants of late?
And what about Chris Carlisle?
Reformed Droog said:
I didn't think Dan Guerrero was that eloquent...
BearBryant3 said:
Espn reporting that norm chow has not been contacted by usc.
sureshot said:
Love the staff. Luke warm on the head coach.
If we add Chow to the mix, this will be a great hire. Without Norm, not so much.
I think Kiffin needs to cede power of the offense to Chow. Give him total autonomy and let him do his thing. That alone might be enough to lure him back to SC. Kiffin calling plays does not excite me.
JustMe said:
I hope Norm Chow is hired because Winnie the Pooh is the head coach.
Charlie Bucket said:
chow's time has come...and gone (about 5 years ago). his schemes used to be innovative. now he is behind the curve. still ok, but no savior. and he is who Southern Cal is counting on to transform their "dream team" with a cumulative HC record of 38-63 into a juggernaut?
what is that Yo-duh always says about the dark side making everything murky and hard to perceive? his wisdom is astonishing.
Trojan Conquest said:
Also, what was the outcome of the McKnight deal? This keeps being put out there as another example of breaking the rules, but I thought he got cleared?
El Capitán said:
Question:
Is Norm Chow asking for a million dollar plus salary like Mr. Monte Kiffin? Is USC able to pay two coordinators with seven digits salaries? Wasn't Mr. Chow quoted demanding "NFL pay"?
BearBryant3 said:
El Capitan I think that was because Pete Carroll was there and they didn't like each other. Now with Pete gone he might be comeback. And yes USC can pay both cords. NFL type money.
BoscoH said:
Yeah, but only Winnie the Pooh has Monte Kiffin for a dad and Ed Orgeron on his staff. Pinnochio could not have pulled this off.
Blue Bruin said:
If it came down to Winne the Pooh and Mickey Mouse to preside over the all-star staff, who would win out?
TrojanRick said:
Trojan Conquest -
The Bush, McKnight, O.J.Mayo issues, etal. will be brought up at the Feb. 19-21 meeting of the NCAA at Tempe, Az. Within 6 or so weeks thereafter, a verdict will be rendered.
East_Bay_Bruin said:
Conquest...the only thing Joe McKnight was cleared for was take-off to the NFL. They are still investigating and he was held out of the bowl gsme for good reason....SC would have had to forfeit that game as well.
PC will draft little pete MB to start over Matt Hasselback next season for the Seahawks. After all, Pete said he’s the best quarterback he’s ever seen. PC commented, “He started high school as a freshmen, USC as a freshman, so next here with the Seahawks. We'll square it up during out next lunch date.”
On a related note, Jeremy Bates has finalized negotiations with the NFL to have the first Seahawk loss of the season officially declared the fault of Aaron Corp.
What will Kiffin do now?
Jon said:
These Bruin fans really need to get a clue. Floyd's in the NBA. Carroll's in the NFL. And Garrett is on his way out. The force has failed Yoda if he thinks Garrett orchestrated anything. Ah well, I suppose he can continue his lame schtick with Kiffin. (Haven't any UCLA alums created fictional characters of note?) Not like there's anything worthwhile happening at UCLA.
And yes, East Bay Bruin, USC would need to forfeit a bowl game that McKnight didn't even play in. Idiot.
Caesar said:
It has been "ruled" that it is not illegal to drive your girlfriends car. The thing that screwed Joe McKnight was all the LATimes biased coverage that made them look into the Washington Huskies fan, whom the girl works for.
Joe should have played in the game. He got robbed by an over zealous local newspaper reporter trying to earn a spot with the Enquirer.
senioreditor said:
They may be looking at Leach instead?
heybhouse said:
any update on carroll?
Sparty said:
From Michale Rosenberg...SI:
Well, I really have to hand it to the USC Trojans: They aren't even faking it anymore.
They're in it to win, everything else be damned. They don't care what the NCAA thinks, what other schools think or what the public thinks.
The Trojans brought O.J. Mayo in to their basketball program in the most publicly illegal way possible. Their best football player of the last decade, Reggie Bush, reportedly took hundreds of thousands of dollars from a wannabe sports marketer while in school. Their best running back last season, Joe McKnight, reportedly drove a Land Rover registered to another marketer.
For years, USC has stonewalled all investigations. USC thinks the "N" in NCAA stands for "nuisance" and the other three letters aren't worth learning.
Now, with the NCAA finally dragging its USC investigation(s) to the finish line, USC athletic director Mike Garrett just hired ... Lane Kiffin.
Wow.
Lane Kiffin, Mike?
Really?
What happened?
Did Barry Switzer say no?
This is the same coach whose Tennessee program is facing a wide-ranging investigation into its recruiting practices, according to The New York Times. This is the same Kiffin who falsely accused Florida coach Urban Meyer of recruiting violations last year, and who has committed more than his share of secondary violations in Knoxville, and who served under Pete Carroll when the Bush scandal happened.
It is the same Kiffin who torches so many relationships, he might as well dip his finger in lighter fluid before he shakes hands. Kiffin's mouth poses such a danger to the people around him that when he goes through airport security, he has to remove his tongue.
USC doesn't care about any of it. I think Garrett saw the recent ESPN documentary on Miami's football program and thought it was an instructional video.
If USC were a public university, with elected trustees, subject to Freedom of Information Act requests, the Trojans probably couldn't get away with this. They would at least have to fake guilt for their scandals. Somebody would step up and say enough already.
Most schools in this position do what they can to convince the NCAA they are sorry. They scrounge up evidence that they have changed their ways. Sorry, but you can't trot Lane Kiffin in front of the NCAA and say things have changed. USC must know that. USC just doesn't care.
USC is just confirming what people already suspected about it. And Kiffin is confirming what people suspected about him.
Kiffin is a bright young coach who is confident enough in his own authority to surround himself with big-name assistants. But he is living in a world where all that matters is Lane Kiffin winning. He just proved it once again.
It's not just that Kiffin left Tennessee after one year. In a vacuum, that is understandable. Circumstances change, your dream job comes up -- nobody can control timing.
But it is hard to imagine a university putting itself on the line for a coach more than Tennessee did for Kiffin. Remember: Kiffin was coming off a disastrous stint with the Raiders when the Vols hired him. (By definition, all stints with the Raiders are disastrous.) Raiders owner Al Davis had called him a "flat-out liar."
Tennessee pulled Kiffin off the discard pile, paid him more than $2 million a year and gave him more than $3 million to pay his assistants -- the biggest salary pool for any school in the country. (One of those assistants, Lane's father Monte, got $1.2 million -- and a $300,000 retention bonus if he was still on staff Dec. 31. Now, two weeks later, Monte is heading to USC -- and presumably taking that retention bonus with him.)
Tennessee stood by Kiffin when he violated rules and falsely accused others of doing so. The school deified him when he boasted about hurting his SEC rivals by stealing their coaches.
Tennessee let Kiffin do pretty much anything he wanted to whomever he wanted. As he told SI's John Ed Bradley last winter: "You can't count the number of people we've run off because they couldn't keep up, and I'm including secretaries. They had to go because they weren't going to make it, and they knew it."
Maybe I'm not tough enough for Kiffin's world, but I have a problem with a coach who makes millions of dollars bragging that he ran off a secretary.
So what happens to the secretaries now, Lane? What happens to the support staff? What happens to the players who came to Knoxville with the promise that you were going to win big and watch out for them?
Kiffin seems to think that's Tennessee's problem. And sadly, he is right. Kiffin gets to run off to USC, where all they care about is winning. Lane Kiffin and USC deserve each other. This marriage is both absurd and perfect, all at once.
Rosenberg's opinion is like...you know, everyone else's. Seems like all the 'faded blue crue' have to validate their dislike of USC through some 'noted' sports writer.
Rosenberg...Who?
williscop said:
BoscoH,
That was a great analogy you made, but with one error. Kiffin IS more Pinocchio than Winnie the Pooh. He is nothing more than a puppet and it will be those around him that pull the strings that will ultimately win or lose the games. Perhaps they could have gotten Kermit or Miss Piggy cheaper. Heck, Lane Bryant would have been better than Lane Kiffin.
We need a contest to see who can do the best job photoshopping the head of Lane Kiffin on the body of Winnie the Pooh.
I'm in if Wolf promises to post the winner.
Trojan Conquest said:
Sparty..........NOBODY is going to read your manifesto diatribe. Shorten it up and get to the point. You should just say "I hate USC".
See, that was much easier to read.
True, but didn't you complain about Carroll not hiring good, experienced assistants of late?
And what about Chris Carlisle?
I didn't think Dan Guerrero was that eloquent...
Espn reporting that norm chow has not been contacted by usc.
Love the staff. Luke warm on the head coach.
If we add Chow to the mix, this will be a great hire. Without Norm, not so much.
I think Kiffin needs to cede power of the offense to Chow. Give him total autonomy and let him do his thing. That alone might be enough to lure him back to SC. Kiffin calling plays does not excite me.
I hope Norm Chow is hired because Winnie the Pooh is the head coach.
chow's time has come...and gone (about 5 years ago). his schemes used to be innovative. now he is behind the curve. still ok, but no savior. and he is who Southern Cal is counting on to transform their "dream team" with a cumulative HC record of 38-63 into a juggernaut?
what is that Yo-duh always says about the dark side making everything murky and hard to perceive? his wisdom is astonishing.
Also, what was the outcome of the McKnight deal? This keeps being put out there as another example of breaking the rules, but I thought he got cleared?
Question:
Is Norm Chow asking for a million dollar plus salary like Mr. Monte Kiffin? Is USC able to pay two coordinators with seven digits salaries? Wasn't Mr. Chow quoted demanding "NFL pay"?
El Capitan I think that was because Pete Carroll was there and they didn't like each other. Now with Pete gone he might be comeback. And yes USC can pay both cords. NFL type money.
Yeah, but only Winnie the Pooh has Monte Kiffin for a dad and Ed Orgeron on his staff. Pinnochio could not have pulled this off.
If it came down to Winne the Pooh and Mickey Mouse to preside over the all-star staff, who would win out?
Trojan Conquest -
The Bush, McKnight, O.J.Mayo issues, etal. will be brought up at the Feb. 19-21 meeting of the NCAA at Tempe, Az. Within 6 or so weeks thereafter, a verdict will be rendered.
Conquest...the only thing Joe McKnight was cleared for was take-off to the NFL. They are still investigating and he was held out of the bowl gsme for good reason....SC would have had to forfeit that game as well.
Winnie the Pooh has a job. Can't see him leaving his alma mater in wastewood to come over to SC.
This is the tandem SC is getting? Are they trying to get major sanctions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAJTGOSK00&feature=player_embedded
It's been about 18 hours since the story broke......I don't think Chow is leaving UCLA. Just my gut feeling.
Hot from the Seattle Times:
PC will draft little pete MB to start over Matt Hasselback next season for the Seahawks. After all, Pete said he’s the best quarterback he’s ever seen. PC commented, “He started high school as a freshmen, USC as a freshman, so next here with the Seahawks. We'll square it up during out next lunch date.”
On a related note, Jeremy Bates has finalized negotiations with the NFL to have the first Seahawk loss of the season officially declared the fault of Aaron Corp.
What will Kiffin do now?
These Bruin fans really need to get a clue. Floyd's in the NBA. Carroll's in the NFL. And Garrett is on his way out. The force has failed Yoda if he thinks Garrett orchestrated anything. Ah well, I suppose he can continue his lame schtick with Kiffin. (Haven't any UCLA alums created fictional characters of note?) Not like there's anything worthwhile happening at UCLA.
And yes, East Bay Bruin, USC would need to forfeit a bowl game that McKnight didn't even play in. Idiot.
It has been "ruled" that it is not illegal to drive your girlfriends car. The thing that screwed Joe McKnight was all the LATimes biased coverage that made them look into the Washington Huskies fan, whom the girl works for.
Joe should have played in the game. He got robbed by an over zealous local newspaper reporter trying to earn a spot with the Enquirer.
They may be looking at Leach instead?
any update on carroll?
From Michale Rosenberg...SI:
Well, I really have to hand it to the USC Trojans: They aren't even faking it anymore.
They're in it to win, everything else be damned. They don't care what the NCAA thinks, what other schools think or what the public thinks.
The Trojans brought O.J. Mayo in to their basketball program in the most publicly illegal way possible. Their best football player of the last decade, Reggie Bush, reportedly took hundreds of thousands of dollars from a wannabe sports marketer while in school. Their best running back last season, Joe McKnight, reportedly drove a Land Rover registered to another marketer.
For years, USC has stonewalled all investigations. USC thinks the "N" in NCAA stands for "nuisance" and the other three letters aren't worth learning.
Now, with the NCAA finally dragging its USC investigation(s) to the finish line, USC athletic director Mike Garrett just hired ... Lane Kiffin.
Wow.
Lane Kiffin, Mike?
Really?
What happened?
Did Barry Switzer say no?
This is the same coach whose Tennessee program is facing a wide-ranging investigation into its recruiting practices, according to The New York Times. This is the same Kiffin who falsely accused Florida coach Urban Meyer of recruiting violations last year, and who has committed more than his share of secondary violations in Knoxville, and who served under Pete Carroll when the Bush scandal happened.
It is the same Kiffin who torches so many relationships, he might as well dip his finger in lighter fluid before he shakes hands. Kiffin's mouth poses such a danger to the people around him that when he goes through airport security, he has to remove his tongue.
USC doesn't care about any of it. I think Garrett saw the recent ESPN documentary on Miami's football program and thought it was an instructional video.
If USC were a public university, with elected trustees, subject to Freedom of Information Act requests, the Trojans probably couldn't get away with this. They would at least have to fake guilt for their scandals. Somebody would step up and say enough already.
Most schools in this position do what they can to convince the NCAA they are sorry. They scrounge up evidence that they have changed their ways. Sorry, but you can't trot Lane Kiffin in front of the NCAA and say things have changed. USC must know that. USC just doesn't care.
USC is just confirming what people already suspected about it. And Kiffin is confirming what people suspected about him.
Kiffin is a bright young coach who is confident enough in his own authority to surround himself with big-name assistants. But he is living in a world where all that matters is Lane Kiffin winning. He just proved it once again.
It's not just that Kiffin left Tennessee after one year. In a vacuum, that is understandable. Circumstances change, your dream job comes up -- nobody can control timing.
But it is hard to imagine a university putting itself on the line for a coach more than Tennessee did for Kiffin. Remember: Kiffin was coming off a disastrous stint with the Raiders when the Vols hired him. (By definition, all stints with the Raiders are disastrous.) Raiders owner Al Davis had called him a "flat-out liar."
Tennessee pulled Kiffin off the discard pile, paid him more than $2 million a year and gave him more than $3 million to pay his assistants -- the biggest salary pool for any school in the country. (One of those assistants, Lane's father Monte, got $1.2 million -- and a $300,000 retention bonus if he was still on staff Dec. 31. Now, two weeks later, Monte is heading to USC -- and presumably taking that retention bonus with him.)
Tennessee stood by Kiffin when he violated rules and falsely accused others of doing so. The school deified him when he boasted about hurting his SEC rivals by stealing their coaches.
Tennessee let Kiffin do pretty much anything he wanted to whomever he wanted. As he told SI's John Ed Bradley last winter: "You can't count the number of people we've run off because they couldn't keep up, and I'm including secretaries. They had to go because they weren't going to make it, and they knew it."
Maybe I'm not tough enough for Kiffin's world, but I have a problem with a coach who makes millions of dollars bragging that he ran off a secretary.
So what happens to the secretaries now, Lane? What happens to the support staff? What happens to the players who came to Knoxville with the promise that you were going to win big and watch out for them?
Kiffin seems to think that's Tennessee's problem. And sadly, he is right. Kiffin gets to run off to USC, where all they care about is winning. Lane Kiffin and USC deserve each other. This marriage is both absurd and perfect, all at once.
I would take Winnie The Pooh over Laney The Pooh.
Rosenberg's opinion is like...you know, everyone else's. Seems like all the 'faded blue crue' have to validate their dislike of USC through some 'noted' sports writer.
Rosenberg...Who?
BoscoH,
That was a great analogy you made, but with one error. Kiffin IS more Pinocchio than Winnie the Pooh. He is nothing more than a puppet and it will be those around him that pull the strings that will ultimately win or lose the games. Perhaps they could have gotten Kermit or Miss Piggy cheaper. Heck, Lane Bryant would have been better than Lane Kiffin.
We need a contest to see who can do the best job photoshopping the head of Lane Kiffin on the body of Winnie the Pooh.
I'm in if Wolf promises to post the winner.
Sparty..........NOBODY is going to read your manifesto diatribe. Shorten it up and get to the point. You should just say "I hate USC".
See, that was much easier to read.