Answer Thursday! (Part 4)
A question here about committee on infractions chairman Paul Dee.
Q: SCFTBL1 said:
Why hasn't USC gone on the attack on Paul Dee and the Notre Dame athletic dept. member on the committee staff? He is responsible for Miami's violations in 1995 and she surely has an ax to grind. It seems he wants to make USC's sanctions greater than Miami's with fewer violations and only one football player involved.
A: Paul Dee does have some skeletons in his closest. But you won't get anywhere with the NCAA attacking an individual, especially a chairman. The NCAA is a closed body that protects itself and doesn't like criticism. So it's better to stick to the case itself. You don't get far attacking the NCAA. Remember there was the old saying from Jerry Tarkanian, ``the NCAA is so mad at UCLA, it put Cal State Northridge on probation.''
geez Louise, you guys are mixing Kool-Aid with whine?
amazing with the list of undisputed infractions including free housing worth tens of thousands, a tricked out car, furniture, appliances, travel, limo rides, tickets, piles of cash, and substantial evidence a coach knew about it, that some Southern Cal Kool-Aiders still seek to blame the NCAA. complete denial.
with such a state of denial, will it surprise anyone when Kiff gets busted pulling his usual shenanigans and the Death Penalty is applied??
Are you for real Count smackula ? Everything that supposedly happened there is NO FACTS to prove USC coaching staff knew anything ? If there was such evidence ..WHERE IS IT ? THE NCAA never even mentioned Pete Carroll etc. They simply listened to a convicted felon and a couple of yahoos from Yahoo who were looking for making a name for themselves. Dan Wetzel , Charles Johnson have egos so big they cant even blink without kissing up to the NCAA just to get readership. Look what we found out..Wow were big boys now. PAALLLEESE ! Go back and read there BIAS opinions which began years ago. And yes, they have made a point to make available just recently on yahoo. It is so hilairious !They took it upon themselves to provide the NCAA there ego filled crud from a convicted 8 time loser felon and his thug friends. The corruption from these unethical sports writers and bias NCAA committee members is beyond reality.
There is more "substantial" evidence that you enjoy falling for the banana in the pipe than there is that McNair knew about Reggie Bush's "arrangement" with the criminal Lloyd Lake.
Sureshot If I assume to understand your Pipe banana theory. Let me clarify for you. Reality is facts. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SUBSTANIAL AT ALL for the sanctions against USC. There report itself is full of holes and can be easily read and seen by anyone.
USC never denied Bush got some kind of gifts etc. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE ! The issue is the violations do not fit the sanctions ! Coach Mcnair is a fall guy for things that completely cannot be proven.If there were a legal court and not a hand picked corrupt NCAA committee the whole thing would be thrown out. Read the facts from lawyers and educated people . Not a couple of yahoos from yahoo looking for readership.
The NCAA has chosen to belive a 8 time convicted felon. Whom the NCAA in its own transcripts contradicts himself. The whole thing is full of corruption and bias vendetta to save face by the NCAA who has no grounds for the serious sanctions they have dropped on USC. Just watch as the NCAA is exposed as time goes on. But there own judge and jury will ofcourse protect them. Again Corruption..Corruption Corrupution.
my info comes from the NCAA report solo mente.
biasd vendetta? OH! Mercy Nurse!!
the list of infractions (undisputed except for McNair) dwarfs any other case, not by a little, by a lot. and still the finger pointing at the NCAA? i am completely boggled. Corruption, corruption, corruption is an apt description.
Southern Cal (and wolf in this one case) are in such deep and confused denial that you are starting to sound like...like...(never mind, i better not say it)
"are in such deep and confused denial that you are starting to sound like..."
bruins who think their basketball championships are anything but filth that was bought and paid for. Well, bruins besides Kareem and Walton, they admit it.
Ahhh, Count. You're right, the list of infractions committed by Reggie is long and undisputed. Vactate the victories, flush the BCS championship and go after his Heisman. All worthy actions in my mind. I hope the NCAA, USC and IRS go after him and his family in court.
The problem starts with and ends with Coach McNair. If you think he's lying, please start referencing the evidence. Be specific. Cite the report. If you really do your research with a clear mind, you'll discover a lot of holes. It's an awfully weak link to try and hang a guy with. Cell phone records without transcripts? One group snapshot at a party? Inconsistant testimony from a felon? That's it?
And there's the problem. Without McNair, you have one rogue athlete and his family willfully violating rules and trying to hide it from everyone, including the university. Without McNair, the bowl ban and scholarship reductions are extreme.
Not that it will matter. I don't think the NCAA cares much about fairness. But they picked a fight with a group of people that will argue (I'm guessing in court) for a long, long time.
As far as the list of infractions dwarfing any other case, I have the following to offer:
Let's say for a moment that Reggie Bush never went to USC. Take away all of the violations directly related to the actions of Reggie Bush (and his family). What football related violations are left?
In the recent case of Florida State, 61 student athletes (not all football but I couldn't locate exactly how many so lets say 10) were involved in academic fraud. Let's say 1 of those football players never went to FSU and take away all of the violations of that 1 player. You still have 9 football players (60 total) committing academic fraud. The NCAA said that the case was extremely serious due to the number of student athletes involved and it involved academic fraud which is one of the most egregious violations. Penalty included loss of 5 or 6 scholarships over 3 years (difference here in that FSU self-imposed the scholarship losses). Hard, verifiable evidence of infractions. Still "10" football players with violations and 5 or 6 scholarship losses.
USC. 1 football player and 30 scholarship losses.
In sanctions released last year against Alabama, violations involved 201 athletes receiving improper benefits (free textbooks for classes they were not taking and probably for buddies who were taking the classes). 22 athletes (7 football) were identified as "intentional wrongdoers". The 4 biggest offenders (all football players) received between $2,714 to $3,947 in improper benefits. Let's say you take away the worst of the intentional wrongdoers. You still have 6 football players receiving improper benefits. At that point, Alabama also had "repeat offender" status. Penalty was vacated wins and probation. Note that Alabama was undefeated going into the SEC championship that year and expecting big things for 2010. Even a 1 year bowl ban would have kissed their NC goodbye 6 months ago. Also note that I'm not even bringing up the previous "boosters paying numerous players to come to Alabama" violations prior to last years sanctions. 7 players receiving improper benefits in some cases of a couple thousand dollars. Hard, verifiable evidence of infractions. Repeat offender. No scholarship losses. No bowl ban.
USC. 1 player. 30 scholarship losses.
The point of this post is not that "hey everyone breaks the rules so its OK for us to do so also". It is that the football violations of USC are from 1 player. That does not make them innocent. This post is directed at the assertion that the infractions of USC dwarfs that of any other case.
The second point of this post is the discrepancy in sanctions handed down against USC when compared to 2 recent, high profile football cases.
Well said, Mike.
The NCAA is prosecutor (brings the charges), judge (adjudicates the law/regulations), jury (adjudicates the facts), and executioner (imposes punishment). Yeah, that's fair.
silly Mike. The penalties are related to one player and an entire staff that knew of should have known about it. Reggie hosed SC, but everyone from McNair up to CPC and Garrett allowed him to do it. Couple it with Mayo and some chick with a clear issue with the telephone and you've got a lack of institutional control. Sanction ON!
Well said Mike too. You cant argue with spedjones or Count Chocula or whatever. They use no reason and just repeat ignorance, just like the yahoos from yahoo. Sanctions do not fit violations.
Secondly for these ignorant people. THINK A LITTLE before you talk. You do not sanction a football program for what a tennis player does, no more then you sanction a basketball program for what a football team does. USC took proactive action on Basketball violations as well as tennis. Those violations cannot be used to penalize the football team. Lack of insitutional control ONLY involves decisions of ONE PLAYER...Reggie Bush.
That does not fit the sanctions put down. But I don't expect these yahoos to believe that because of therer ignorance and hate for USC..Whats new. The whole thing smells of huge bias and corruption and there own NCAA report proves it.