UCLA spring camp position review: Quarterbacks

UCLA quarterbacks work on drill during spring football practice at Spaulding Field on April 23, 2015. (Andy Holzman/Staff)

UCLA quarterbacks work on drill during spring football practice at Spaulding Field on April 23, 2015. (Andy Holzman/Staff)

Much has already been made of UCLA’s quarterback situation over the past several weeks. Through 15 practices, the consensus among observers was this: Josh Rosen looks like the Bruins’ best starting option this season.

Jim Mora and the rest of the coaching staff has declined to officially name a starter, which is unsurprising for a two main reasons: it’s not a good look to have a true freshman, however talented, zoom to the top of the depth chart; it might persuade those who lose the competition to think longer and harder before potentially deciding to transfer out.

For those still skeptical, here’s the quick argument for UCLA to start a first-year player at a position where first-year players have historically struggled. First, he ran a similar offense while starring at Bellflower St. John Bosco, from which he graduated early. That allowed him to enroll at UCLA not only in time for spring camp, but all the way back in January. By the time, the Bruins’ start their season, he will have been in the program for eight months.

But the more salient point is that Rosen simply looks better than his competition. While he looked a bit uneven at times during one-on-one or seven-on-seven drills, the 6-foot-4, 205-pounder shined more often than not in full scrimmages. Facing an actual pass rush during 11-on-11s, Rosen made throws that no one else on the roster could match. Combine that with the fact that UCLA is returning every other starter on offense, and this becomes as good a time as any to toss a first-year quarterback into the fire.

Now, this could change within the next few months. Maybe the Rosen regresses when he sees real competition, or maybe Asiantii Woulard takes a significant leap forward. Let’s assume, for the sake of projecting the Bruins’ future, that Rosen does win the starting job. UCLA has won 29 games under Mora, including back-to-back 10-win seasons. Anything less than that might feel a bit disappointing for fans. Rosen will have his growing pains — keep an eye out for that one-touchdown, three-interception game — but he also gets a schedule that’s easier than what the Bruins faced in past years. Virginia, UNLV and BYU aren’t powerhouse programs. Oregon is completely absent from the regular-season slate. USC will mark the final game in November, reducing risk of a post-rivalry letdown. Winning nine games, even with a new signal-caller, is not an outlandish proposition.

If Rosen is named the starter, say, the week leading up to UCLA’s season opener against Virginia, what does that mean for the rest of the quarterbacks? Neither Jerry Neuheisel nor Mike Fafaul are significantly affected. Both are quality backups who could step in and guide an offense in a pinch, but don’t have the skill sets to start at another major conference program.

The big question would be the fate of Woulard. The redshirt sophomore once looked like an underrecruited gem, showing off a bigger-than-expected arm through his first camp in August 2013. His progress has stalled since then, but the former Elite 11 MVP finally found some rhythm this April. In the latter half of spring camp, he strung together some of the best practices he’s had as a Bruin — proving how valuable he could be to the position, even if he doesn’t win the starting job. Whether or not UCLA coaches can convince him to stay as a backup will be the most interesting twist left on the quarterback depth chart.

Projected depth chart
Josh Rosen, Fr., 6-4, 205
Asiantii Woulard, RSo., 6-3, 210
Jerry Neuheisel, RJr., 6-1, 200
Mike Fafaul, RJr., 6-2, 205

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  • ProbationU

    Cue Laker Rod!

    • Tommy B Low Us

      It will be a long winded explanation about the historical stats. Too bad it does not take into consideration that each player develops at different times regardless of what those historical stats show. Also too bad it does not take into consideration that the best (most consistent) player should start regardless of his age or experience.

      Oh well crickets…

      • Richard

        The decision was the percentage move. U had TWO senior QBs who had extensive game experience. It was likely that at least ONE of them could do well. Besides they had both paid their dues in the program for many years. I have ALWAYS been a BH fan but it would have been awkward to sit both experienced QBs in favor of a true freshman.

        • Laker Rod

          I think the part of both paid their dues is a non-factor and should never be a factor in the decision making process.

          What matters is who can most likely get the job done.

          Historically true frosh QB’s have not been able to get the job done. Yes…perhaps an athletic mobile QB who’s like 6’2 215 and powerfully built and who has 4.4 speed has a good shot of doing something.

          But a 6’4 200 or 205 QB who’s not very mobile and has a very thin build…come on. Some folks just resting on blind hope and faith.

          • ProbationU

            “I think the part of both paid their dues is a non-factor and should never be a factor in the decision making process.”

            Well, you got one thing right.

          • Laker Rod

            You never get anything right!

          • ProbationU

            I am right about you being a clueless effing idiot.

            By the way, you always play the best player. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Most freshmen aren’t the best player, especially if the staff has recruited well in previous years. We have failed in recruiting enough QB’s and are now in the situation where we may have to start a true freshman. Not ideal, but if Rosen is the best, then he should start. If it is Woulard, then it should be him. Unlike you, the coaches are smart enough to wait longer before deciding.

          • Laker Rod

            Man you don’t get it. How often is the best player a true frosh? What does this mean usually? Usually means you’re not very good as a a team. Face it. UCLA is NOT winning anything with a true frosh QB and you khow it. Stubborn fool.

          • Richard

            “blind hope and faith” + about 50 yrs watching and being intimately involved w (UCLA) FB. You’re underestimating his exceptionally quick feet (avoids sacks while in the pocket) and quick read ability when u think he’ll get hurt back there. + His running for 1st downs, will surprise you, a la Andrew Luck. It’s clear he’s the best QB we’ve ever recruited right outta high school and possibly one of the very top FB athletes we’ve ever recruited right outta Hi Sch.
            I think he’s an exceptional talent and is “shovel ready”. Hopefully I’m right. # How did true freshman Brad Kaaya do last yr….esp in the first half of the season ?!
            4s Up Now and Forever

          • ProbationU

            I too have been watching football ever since the 1966 Rose Bowl game. And if I remember correctly, and I am sure I do, Gary Beban was a true sophomore at the time. Freshmen were ineligible to play…so things worked out pretty well for him.

            I am sure Laker Rod goes all the way back to….1990?

          • Laker Rod

            I figure you were and old guy. Let me tell you this. You old guys are the biggest problem. You’re too old to know what is good for the program in this day and age. Football now is way different than back in the 60’s.

            I’ve been following since the late 70’s. I know the difference of each era also. Even the past eras of the 50’s and 60’s.

          • Laker Rod

            50 years of watching? Name a tru frosh QB like Rosen who won a conference championship. Luck redshirted. Pay attention.

          • ProbationU

            Rosen not mobile? Watch some tape. He isn’t a runner like Hundley or Woulard, but he is plenty mobile. Throws very well on the move. The key for him and Woulard is minimizing mistakes and turnovers.

          • Laker Rod

            No. You need to watch those tapes over. Rosen is not mobile. You seem him running through smaller defenders. If Rosen did that against bigger LB’s and DB’s…he’s going to get clocked and hurt. Rosen is already sliding in college because he knows what will happen.

            True frosh tend to make a lot more mistakes and turnovers. End of story.

        • ProbationU

          Richard, we aren’t talking about Hundley’s true freshman year. We are talking about Hundley’s redshirt freshman year when we won the South. Had Hundley not gotten hurt prior to his freshman year, perhaps Neuheisel would have started him or had him start at some time during the season. Brehaut and Prince were juniors.

          What Laker Rod is saying is that Hundley should have backed up Brehaut and/or Prince in 2012, when it was clear that he was the best QB on the roster, or weeded him in during the season at some point. I guess he doesn’t like the idea of an inexperienced QB gaining experience against non-conference opponents but would prefer to throw them into the fire in league play. I have heard NOBODY other than Laker Fraud make that argument. He is alone in the pantheon of football experts.

          • Richard

            Yes, I guess I commingled when they / he decided to redshirt vs the next yr when he won the job. There is NO DOUBT he should have started when he started, I’m also suggesting that head to head he prob should have started as a true freshman !!! KP and RB were always terrible. One thot himself a LB and the other couldn’t even get his team up to the line of scrimmage w/o blowing the clock.
            “Team chemistry” wise it was best to give KP & RB ample opportunity to start. Altho, God were they bad….nws they will always be loved for the effort they brought…or not, as was the case w RB playing baseball.
            THIS IS OUR YR ! EXACTLY FIFTY YEARS FROM THE BEST TEAM EVER….1965 Beban Boyz, who beat #1 Mich St in the ’66 Rose Bowl
            # Will history repeat itself ?!!!!!!!
            Besides, there is no way to replace Vanderdoes & Clark next year !!! Myles is probably the best cover LB ever but at least we have some decent replacements for him.
            Would be nice if Asianti stays to back up Rosie but I kinda doubt he will.

          • ProbationU

            I think Hundley would have started but he got injured over the summer and was behind the others in Fall camp. As the season progressed, he probably could have started but Neuheisel did not want to burn his redshirt at that point in a last ditch effort to save his job. Had Brett been healthy early that year, things may have been different, but you never know.

            We are now recruiting some depth. I think we probably lose both Vanderdoes and Clark this year. Hopefully at least Clark will stay. However, when guys start going to the league, recruits notice.

          • Laker Rod

            It wouldn’t have been any different for Rick Neuheisel if he played Hundley because RN didn’t know how to coach and Hundley would have been terrible. You would have seen more games like the one at CAL where Hundley played as a redshirt frosh. Wake up.

            And do you see how stupid you are? Losing EV and Clark after both of them again fail to win any conference championship? They would not have left as redshirt sophomores. They shouldn’t leave early either. They won’t be high draft picks. Don’t fool yourselves. Look at where Hundley went. EV and Clark need to have monster seasons and even with one season…even Barr was smart enough to stay that extra year and leave after his true senior year. There is no historical evidence to trust a UCLA D lineman. Brian Price? I rest my case.

            UCLA still doesn’t recruit enough D linemen.

          • ProbationU

            Again with the poor reading comprehension. I predicted that that Clark and Vanderdoes would leave. A prediction is not the same as a recommendation. I suggest you get some tutoring.

            But if one or both leave, then we should be an attractive place for some recruits. It would be better if they stay, but they may find the money difficult to pass up.

          • Laker Rod

            Big deal on your prediction. Many predicted Ellis McCarthy would leave in 3 years and he did. Any 5 star recruit is a potential candidate to only last 3 years. You need to understand the circumstances though. McCarthy was coming off a knee injury. He wasn’t even fully ready. It’s obvious in hindsight he should have redshirted but I was saying the same thing before he even enrolled!

            Vanderdoes wasn’t really ready either as a true frosh. Too many things going on. Getting out of his commitment at ND. Slow start. Was no in the best condition. Had UCLA had better depth at the position at the time and if UCLA wasn’t in a position to get a recruit simply based off of mainly early playing time then UCLA wouldn’t be where they at.

            I understand Mora did what he had to do. It was foolish to expect Vanderdoes and Clark even as true sophomores to do so well. The best players for UCLA often are the seniors. In two years, both EV and Clark have hardly done anything. They didn’t lead the teams in sacks or tackles for losses. They were not there coming up with big plays. If they did…UCLA would have won something. Best player on D was Erick Kendricks 5th year senior. Best D line guy was Owa Odighizuwa. Best DB was Anthony Jefferson 5th year senior.

            Even when Myles Jack was a true frosh…he was still only the 4th best LB. Barr, Kendricks, and Zumwalt were all better than Jack. Jack was still very good as a true frosh but he’s more the exception than the rule. He had good size at 6’1 225 and just a physical specimen. There is nothing wrong with one true frosh at any spot with the exception of QB. There has been plenty of national championship teams with a true frosh RB or WR or DB or LB and even an O line guy. Winston Justice was a true frosh. So long as they are mixed in with a bunch of seniors it’s perfectly fine.

            I repeat…there is no historical support in a true frosh QB.

    • Laker Rod

      Are you seriously this dumb?

      Obviously if you play a QB too soon it can have damaging effects. You might want to think about why Hundley was hesitant to throw downfield. He often took sacks he shouldn’t have.

      Those sacks are a by-product of having no confidence in a young O line that gave up plenty of sacks. Think about that also.

      You and most Bruin fans are too dumb to even realize any of this.

      I repeat had UCLA gone with Prince or Brehaut at least even to start the season in 2012…the coaches plus Hundley would have known better what they were getting into. 3 frosh O line guys and a frosh QB usually doesn’t spell success.

      Some have a belief that the only way for a QB to learn is under fire. However..Coach Shaw at Stanford already seems to be seeing the benefit of utilizing virtual technology and giving QB’s virtual reps which many teams and coaches simply cannot give to all the QB’s they have on the roster.

      You and other have tried to argue that Prince and Brehaut wouldn’t have won as many games as Hundley but yet how often was Hundley relied upon. Johnathan Franklini rushed for over 1,700 yards. The Prince and Brehaut of 2012 were better QB’s than what they had shown in the past. Even the little time Brehaut did get in 2012 he did quite well. In addition, I don’t think Prince or Brehaut would have lost up at Cal in 2012. There may have been games Prince or Brehaut couldn’t win. We will never know.

      In the end, after starting Hundley as a redshirt frosh and even winning the Pac-12 South, UCLA failed to repeat even this much success in 2013 and 2014.

      Also…had UCLA gone with Brehaut or Prince in 2012, and Brett Hundley started from his redshirt sophomore year who knows what 2013 and 2014 would have produced. And one last thing…with only two years under his belt Hundley may have possibly stayed for 2015. Think about it.

      This is why UCLA can’t win a championship. Guys leave before accomplishing very little only to be a 5th rounder. So many idiot Bruin fans thought Hundley would go in the 1st round too. LOL!!! I repeat…you’re an idiot!

      • UCLA owns LA Football

        Anyone suggesting or even hinting that Prince is a QB can’t be taken seriously. Mr Laker must have missed the 50 – 0 debacle Prince engineered.

        BH was touted as the savior of UCLA’s offense.

        Rosen, who I think is way better than BH was as a Freshman, merely has to manage the UCLA offense. Rosen. in the last 2 years, has engineered FB Championships against superior competition in the toughest CIF LA/OC conference region.

        Rosen s/b the guy until he isn’t the guy.

        • Laker Rod

          But yet you idiots wanted Kevin Prince to start as a redshirt frosh over senior Kevin Craft…right?

          Then after Prince got hurt…you idiots then wanted to insert true frosh Richard Brehaut…right?

          Even before this…when Craft was throwing interceptions…you wanted Chris Forcier to play right? What happened?

          And I repeat…you’re wrong. Woulard should be the guy until he shows he can’t. Not Rosen. There have been many true frosh QB’s who did just as much or more than Rosen but they didn’t start as true frosh…or if they did they most likely sucked. History is proof of this.

          There has been much more success out of redshirt sophomores regardless of their star ranking in HS vs that of true freshmen.

          But hey…if you want to go against the odds…be my guest. I repeat…shows how stupid most UCLA fans are.

          • ProbationU

            So now you are assuming opinions that don’t exist regarding Prince, Brehaut and Craft?

            The overriding problem was the best that we recruited was Prince, Brehaut and Craft. NO TALENT at the position. And one of Neuheisel’s biggest mistakes was burning Brehaut’s redshirt. Every QB and player is different. You can’t even attempt to group Prince, Brehaut and Craft with Hundley and Rosen as high school players.

          • Laker Rod

            You get show what an idiot you are. It wasn’t about no talent. It was about NO COACHING.

            Oh brother. Monday morning QB. Now Brehaut should have redshirted. LOL!!!! That’s not what 90% of you morons said when he was a true frosh. After of course he played you idiots changed your tune. You’ll be the saying the same thing about Josh Rosen. LOL!!!!

          • ProbationU

            Neuheisel burned brehaut’s redshirt late in the year. I guess he learned that lesson as he did not burn Hundley’s. And unless you are aware of what I thought 6 years ago, or whenever it was, you should just refrain from commenting. But lack of knowledge hasn’t stopped you yet.

          • Laker Rod

            Yeah…he had to burn it because Rick N. didn’t want to go back to Kevin Craft which is what most of the idiot Bruin fan base didn’t want also.

            So what happens? Kevin Prince as a redshirt frosh cannot measure the speed of the D and has a glass jaw and keeps getting knocked out of games. At least Craft was able to take hits. He most likely would have learned from his mistakes also.

            The point is Prince and Brehaut both needed more time to get ready. Even now you’re saying Brehaut should have redshirted. LOL!!! What an idiot.

            You didn’t say this 6 years ago. I know what you said 6 years ago because of your current position now you moron.

            Look. You’re fighting for trying to promote Josh Rosen as the starter as a true frosh. Your motto…play the best players. Your motto back when Brehaut was a true frosh was the same tune YOU FREAKIN MORON!!!

            And as I said before…about 10% of the Bruin fan base feel the same way as I do. They know the risks involved with going with a true frosh. They know the historical evidence. It’s idiots like yourself who cannot admit the truth. Go read the Bruin boards. There are others who agree with my same position and philosophy. The bad part is that it isn’t many. Which is why UCLA football is so mediocre.

            We need to band together and put idiots like Tracy Pierson and his writers over on BRO in their rightful place. They are trying to make a living off of what they do. They are promoting their website based off of recruiting news. They want to tell you about this hot shot new recruits. They will make these outrageous proclamations about guys like Ellis McCarthy, Ryan Castro, Zach Whitley, Morrell Pressley, Randall Carroll, and on and on.

            You’re only making yourself look foolish by arguing with all this.

          • ProbationU

            Tracy Pierson is a lot smarter than you. And if you are trying to get people to band together, you should do it and start your own site. The only one looking foolish here is you. Where is all the support here for your ideas? It is hard to get support when you call everyone here that does not agree with you an idiot or a moron.

            As of now, I don’t find anyone here that agrees with you that wants to “get with the program” of yours. As of now, all I see is a one man band. I would be glad to read the boards that agree with you but I haven’t found any and you have yet to provide a link to any. Where are all these people?

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! Pierson is an idiot. His best know how is trying to get inside scoops on stories and tries to make people pay for it. He doesn’t know what it takes to win championship football.

            I repeat…about 10% of Bruin fans have good knowledge. You’re not one of them that’s for sure.

      • ProbationU

        Do me a favor, count on one hand how many players UCLA lost early to the NFL during the Dorrell and Neuheisel years. Players leaving early hasn’t been a problem at all. Not enough quality players has been a problem.

        By the way, the #1 NFL QB prospect in the PAC12 is Jared Goff of Cal who is 6’4″ and 205.

        AND, whoever wins the QB job will be inexperienced at the college level. Better they get the opportunity to play against Virginia and UNLV rather than make their debut on the road at Arizona, Stanford or Utah.

        We had 3 years to see what Prince and Brehaut could deliver. Personally, I liked Prince. He took a licking and regularly got back up and competed. Hard worker and a great kid. Unfortunately, he was a very inaccurate thrower which does not work in Mazzone’s offense. And Brehaut? He reportedly lacked a bit of dedication and did not grasp the playbook as well as Prince or Hundley. So, it wasn’t a close call. It was good to get Hundley experience against a weak foe in Rice which prepared him for Nebraska at home, which was a nice Bruin victory. Watch the tape of that game and let me know how Kevin Prince would have pulled it off.

        Playing QB’s too early is a much bigger problem in the NFL than it is in college. The solution is simple really, play the best player.

        • Laker Rod

          You don’t even address any of my points you moron.

          I repeat…had Mora gone with Brehaut and/or Prince in 2012…where would UCLA have been in 2013 and 2014 and where could they be right now in 2015. You have an answer? Fifth round Hundley. Oh brother.

          And you still don’t get it. It’s a combo of players leaving early and guys not redshirting. Can you not understand this. Ellis McCarthy? Would he have left as a redshirt sophomore? No way. Get with the program.

          What you need to ask yourself is how did Arizona State end up winning the Pac-12 South in 2013. How did Stanford get to where they did after being a far worse program than where UCLA was prior to Harbaugh taking over. I can assure you they didn’t get to where they are by playing a whole bunch of true freshman. Do you finally get it?

          And Goff has played for a garbage team. He’s living proof you don’t get anywhere with a true frosh QB. Just like what WSU did with all the true frosh Mike Leach has been playing.

          Now you’re back to play best player but before you were saying most freshman should redshirt. Make up your mind!

          • ProbationU

            If UCLA had gone with Prince/Brehaut in 2012, we would not have won the South. But, none of your stupid points can be proven or disproven, since it didn’t happen. All we can look at was how they did before and UCLA was running the pistol, so not a great comparison to be had. But, Prince was an inaccurate thrower and Brehaut didn’t learn the playbook. However, it was crystal clear to everyone in the United States, other than Laker Rod, that Brett Hundley was WAY better than those 2 guys.

            Hundley had always planned to leave after 4 years. He almost left after 3, but once he graduated school, he was gone. You can have your own debate with yourself on that one, but I think it is quite clear to everyone in the United States, other than Laker Rod, that he was not going to return.

            Ellis McCarthy was too stupid and got bad advice about turning pro. He was never in shape and couldn’t start on the DL. I don’t think he liked school much and decided to leave. Good riddance.

            Goff is on a team with no D but the point was about his size. You always focus on Rosen’s size but Goff, in spite of being a twig, is highly rated by NFL scouts. Why did Sean Mannion go before Hundley? His team wasn’t good. Because he played in a pro style offense.

            The true freshman question runs into the depth question. Why did SC start 3 true freshmen on the OL last year? A shortage of quality depth. The best programs recruit well EVERY year and as the players develop in the program, it becomes rarer and rarer for a true freshman to play. However, if one happens to be better, then they will play. It just so happens it won’t be that many in the top programs because a true freshman would have to be exceptional to start.

            Now, Mora and staff thought they were going to land Kyle Allen last year and redshirt him behind Hundley to start this year. Unfortunately, he committed to Texas A&M. Had he come to UCLA, Rosen may have gone elsewhere. Recruits study depth charts. And, by the middle of the year, Kyle Allen started as a true freshman at Texas A&M and is highly regarded. Unfortunately, A&M can’t play D.

            So to sum up for you, always play the best player. It isn’t often that it will be a true freshman, but you can’t hold kids back…unless you are Laker Rod and are basing your decision on historical stats of other players rather than what you are seeing on the field.

          • Laker Rod

            You still don’t get it. So what we won the Pac-12 South in 2012. The point is UCLA didn’t even win that in 2013 and 2014. What I asked was that if Brehaut or Prince started in 2012…where would UCLA have finished in 2013 and 2014 with Hundley.

            Even if 2013 and 2014 didn’t produce a Pac-12 South title…you think Hundley may have stayed for 2015? It’s easier to second guess now because Hundley ended up as a 5th rounder. These are all facts.

            Historical evidence has shown is that good things come to those who wait. You can’t even argue against this. Historically, good things do NOT come to those who do NOT wait.

            And you bad mouthing Ellis McCarthy now is just totally hilarious. What were you and others saying about McCarthy as a true frosh. You idiots claimed McCarthy would beat out Cassius Marsh. LOL!!!!

            You ever consider McCarthy didn’t do what he needed because the coaches allowed him to play as a true frosh. It’s the old mentality of …hey…if I’m good enough to play as a true frosh then I’m fine the way I am. Think about it. It’s the coaches fault as well as the player. They both messed up.

            And why are you bringing up QB’s who have FAILED. Goff? He hasn’t done anything except lead his team to bad records. To deflect the blame from the QB and put on his teammates is just pure stupidity. Goff isn’t the sole reason for Cal’s failures but he’s just as responsible as his coaches and teammates. It’s mainly the coaches too. Anybody stupid enough to play and rely heavily on so many true frosh deserves to lose which they usually do. It doesn’t help them in the long run either. What happens is that they play so bad when they are true frosh…they are then replaced by the next crop of true frosh and they make mistakes and the cycle repeats. This is what bad coaches do and this is exactly what Karl Dorrell and Rick Neuheisel did plenty of.

            And to sum it up for you. Most of the time, true frosh are not your best players. If they…almost always means you’re not very good.

            Winston was held back. Mariota too. Same with Luck. I trust those coaches more than the idiotic Bruin fans out there like yourself.

          • jameskatt

            The name calling is off base and weakens your arguments.

            ProbationU made his points in a calm post with good English grammar. So obviously he is not a “moron”.

          • Laker Rod

            Calm post and good english grammar. Ha! What he claims or accuses me isn’t even true. Says stuff like UCLA was a young team that played alot of freshmen but yet I pointed out to him that the 2012 had a lot of seniors and juniors leading the way. Majority of starters on defense like Aaron Hester and Sheldon Price and Andrew Abbott and Damien Holmes all seniors.

            Doesn’t ever address the point of Rosen’s thin build and lack of strength and thin arms which he knows Asianti Woulard would totally destroy in every weight lifting category. The point I’m trying to make is that we have to make sure Rosen can take a physical beating first. Not many true frosh can. This is why guys go through strength and conditioning.

          • ProbationU

            Rosen’s thin build doesn’t concern me. That’s why I don’t address it. If our QB is taking a physical beating, then we have bigger problems than who wins the job. We will need all 4 of them, because none of them can endure a physical beating and a QB that takes off running out of the pocket will take a bigger beating than a pocket passer. Rosen, Woulard or Jerry will need to do what Brett never learned to do enough, throw the ball away.

          • Laker Rod

            It should concern you. Rosen can end up getting hurt. You ever think about that? Only takes one missed assigned and blitzing LB coming through which Rosen does not see because he’s TRUE FRESHMAN!

          • ProbationU

            They can all get hurt. It’s a tough game. It isn’t just Rosen. Matt Barkley got hurt as a Senior, not a Freshman. Halliday at WSU got hurt as a Senior. 2 upperclassmen at Ohio State got hurt. The injury argument doesn’t hold water.

  • Tommy B Low Us

    Red shirt bait. Nice job wang!! Haha!!

  • MPPBruin

    You guys are the best. Aces all the way around.

    • ProbationU

      You know, I think Rosen has the mind of Peyton Manning and the arm of Dan Marino. Could be very exciting!

  • Intimidator Bruin

    I think everyone is making too big of a deal about the Qb situation. Woulard and Rosen can both make plays but the key is minimizing the turnovers. Our offense has to take care of the ball. The key position we should have concern about it is the DE spot Owa left open. We have great LB & DBs. With Ish in the slot we can great havoc on RB and WR. Griffin and KLS will get lots of pressure on QBs. Dechaun holiday will force Moreau and Fisher to step there game up to another level or lose their spot in the rotation. That being said our QBS job is to not lose the game with turnovers

    • ProbationU

      Marcus Rios has apparently taken over the other CB spot, so you will have Rios and Moreau at the corners. Ish may be the nickel back. Not sure where Fisher works in or if Holiday will play or redshirt. A lot to be answered in Fall camp.

      If KLS plays at all, it will be behind either McKinley or Hollins. He needs to put on some weight and may not be ready at all this year.

      • Laker Rod

        Mr. Contradictory. You say KLS needs to put on some weight and may not be ready at all. LOL!!! Same for Josh Rosen. KLS isn’t at an ideal size for an OLB and neither is Josh Rosen as a true frosh. How many true frosh QB’s have gotten hurt. Think about it.

        • Intimidator Bruin

          Ok Laker Rod you need to stop! Aren’t you the same one who tried to tell me Marcus Rios wasn’t going to start over Ish at CB? Aren’t you the one who wanted to call names like I am some dumb fan? But yet I have been watching UCLA football longer than you have been alive. You just want to argue about everything. With NO substantial knowledge of what is going on with the practices or the players. At least read the different writers and listen to the interviews before you make a comment.

          Your acting like Trojan fan instead of a Bruin.

          I can tell you are young but one thing that should always resonate in your mind is that by voicing your opinion in any forum should be done with knowledge and humility. Because no matter how much you think you know or what you think should happen, you still don’t know everything. And just for the record I think that Woulard should be given a chance in this offense first because I have heard from too many high school coaches in the area that he is just avg against pressure in high school. So I think he will struggle in the overall picture and I am hoping he is the QB of the future. But if he gives us the best chance to win games then play him regardless of what year.

  • ProbationU

    And I am fine if Woulard wins the starting job. Are you fine if Rosen wins the starting job?

    • Laker Rod

      If you are fine with Woulard winning the starting job then why do you bother with these “illogical” type of debates. You already know the odds are long for a true frosh QB like Rosen to do well or even last the entire season. I repeat…if Rosen was 6’4 220 and can still run like 4.7 then that’s different.

      The problem I see is that Rosen is only 6’4 205 with not a very good upper body. Most of Rosen’s weight is in his lower body. I don’t fear him necessarily getting a leg injury but I fear he will suffer a broken collar bone or separated shoulder or worse yet concussion.

      And the Rosen you see in HS vids…he looks more like 6’4 195. He has been trying to put on weight but he’s losing speed in the mean time. He looks to run around a legit 4.85 at best.

      My observations are also is that Rosen is rushing through things. Trying to rapidly add weight and get a grasp of everything so fast. Hundley IMO tried to get a grasp of every too fast. You have to remember that Hundley came on board when Rick N. was coach.

      I repeat…good things come to those who wait and have patience. Read up on Andrew Luck and see how he declined to play as a true frosh. Luck left after winning a conference championship and playing in BCS bowl games.

      Where is Hundley? 5th rounder. I rest my case.

      So now…back to Josh Rosen. If he wins the job…am I happy? No way I’m happy. I see this as just pure bad. What does this tell you about our coaching staff who cannot get somebody like Asianti Woulard to win the job as a 3rd year redshirt sophomore. Why take an Aaron Sharp if he’s only going to be moved to WR. How on earth does a coaching staff put themselves in a position where a true frosh QB has to start. They either screwed up in recruiting and/or they suck in developing their players.

      My expectation for 2015 is that the Bruins should at least “compete” for the Pac-12 south. They should be right there at the end of the season to win it. If UCLA is not…then I consider the season as a failure. If Rosen wins the starting job…this is not happening.

      Now keep this in mind. Rosen will have some good games but he will have bad games. We will lose to teams we should have not and we might be some teams we didn’t expect to beat but we’ll be at a point where we may be out of the running for the division title and games become less meaningful for both sides.

      If you need further explaining I will. We play the AZ schools and Stanford early. With Rosen learning his way as a true frosh UCLA can lose some early games. We could already have 3 conference losses by mid-season. We are virtually out of the race. We then win 4 conference games in a row against Cal, Colorado, Oregon State, and WSU.

      Let’s say we won all 3 out of conference games also. So we are sitting at 7-3 but AZ and ASU and USC all either have 1 or 2 losses. We then lose at Utah. So now 7-4 and totally out of the Div race. Let’s say the same week USC loses and is now out of the Div title race also.

      So now the USC game is meaningless other than a rivalry. Let’s say Cody Kessler got hurt too in that game before. So now we’re playing USC and we win. So we finish 8-4 or let’s say we lost to BYU and we are 7-5. We either win or lose bowl game and finish 8-5. I’m willing to bet you and others will claim that this was a successful season or it’s understandable because we played a true frosh QB. This is GARBAGE!

      All this stuff about how a player played pretty well “for a true frosh” is just plain stupid and leads to mediocrity which the Bruins have been for many years. If you and others are going to claim…”play the best players regardless of class” then there should be no qualifiers of he played well “for a true frosh”.

      So there. Think about our schedule and what UCLA needs to do to be in the Div title race. We need to beat one or both of the AZ schools. They are most likely going to be in the Div title race. Winning those games are more important.

      We could still end up 8-5 with Asianti Woulard also…but there is a difference in who we beat and how we win. I can see Woulard beating many schools with his legs. To rely on a true frosh to win with his passing goes against the historical odds.

      • ProbationU

        By the way, Luck never won a conference championship. Kevin Hogan did, but not Luck. Also, Hundley could have stayed for 10 years and never been Andrew Luck. Apples and oranges.

        • Laker Rod

          Beating out Josh Rosen a true frosh means NOTHING to me. Star rankings don’t mean much. In your amateur eyes I know they do just like every other dumb recruiting site who tries to predict the success of these 16 and 17 year olds like they are some fortune teller.

          Did Stanford play for a BCS bowl game during Luck’s year? Quit trying to change what I said to mask your deficiencies. Al you do is lle and make up stories to cover yourself.

          And our “odds” and chances would have been a lot better if Hundley stayed. Something you cannot deny. I repeat…you’re such a moron that you continually think you will win with a pair of deuces. Just because you may have won once…you’ll continually make the same stupid move bucking the odds. I repeat…you’re a total moron who doesn’t understand logic.

          • ProbationU

            Here are your exact words re: Andrew Luck.

            ” Luck left after winning a conference championship and playing in BCS bowl games.”

            So, how did I change what you said? How did I misrepresent you? Luck NEVER won a conference championship. Are you going to deny that? Just look it up. I did reference the Orange and Fiesta Bowls. So, where is the misrepresentation.

            AND you have said that Prince or Brehaut should have started ahead of Hundley in his redshirt freshman year. Is that a misrepresentation too?

            Also, you can’t supply any source for your 10% number that you pull out from the place your proctologist knows best. You made the statement. Back it up. You are big on historical facts. Find some.

            Find me anyone other than you that believes Woulard should be the starter. Are you ready to name Woulard the starter right now? Or are you just considering that Woulard and Jerry Neuheisel should be the only ones considered for the job? We are limited to the choices at hand. What is your solution, Laker Rod? Are you ready to name a starter or do you think the coaches should wait until deep into Fall camp?

            “Past performance isn’t indicative of future results” is another “Rod-ism”. Does that only apply to individual players or does that apply to the history of freshman quarterbacks too? It seems you pick and choose things at random. If that is true, perhaps we should move people around at will because “past performance” does not matter. It certainly wouldn’t be a slogan of much use on Wall Street. I can tell you as someone who has had to run business forecasts that past performance definitely matters when planning for the future. But hey, what would I know. I am one of those “old guys”.

            In one mode, past performance doesn’t matter and in another mode, you want to lean on history. Not very consistent. The fact is, the history we are talking about here is the history of 3 potential QB candidates, not the history of every QB that has ever played the game. The truth of the matter is that none of them have enough history to make the call on that front. It is about what happens in practice.

          • Laker Rod

            Quit taking quotes out of their context. It was a combo of several players who have won conference championships or have gone to BCS bowl games.

            What did Hundley ever do to deserve leaving early? Have 3 10 win seasons? It’s obvious the NFL scouts didn’t think much of this as Hundley fell to the 5th round.

            And you just make yourself look more foolish each.

            Past performance is not indicative of future results related to a certain player because historical evidence has shown college guys improve year after year. Cade McNown improved and many players have.

            True frosh starting is NOT the same as past performance is not indicative of future results you moron. You’re simply bucking the trend.

            Go ahead and continue to make an absolute FOOL of yourself.

          • ProbationU

            A fact can’t be out of context. You said Luck won a conference championship at Stanford. You can’t even accept your own quote. ARe you denying your exact words. You certainly can’t handle being called out on your own ignorance.

            Here is the entire paragraph…full context:

            “I repeat…good things come to those who wait and have patience. Read up on Andrew Luck and see how he declined to play as a true frosh. Luck left after winning a conference championship and playing in BCS bowl games.”

            What year did Luck win the conference?

            AGAIN…find me your supporters. Who agrees with you here? NOBODY!

            Just your mythical 10%.

          • Laker Rod

            You’re just full of lies. Show where it is. I guess you just love 5th round guys who leave without winning a conference championship.

          • ProbationU

            It’s right above a few entries ago…unless of course you edited out once you were caught with your pants down. That is why I copied and pasted it into my post.

          • Laker Rod

            Liar. Copied then edited. LOSER

  • jameskatt

    Marcus Mariota was a redshirt-freshman at Oregon when he got his first start. I would rank him among the best ever Pac-10-12 quarterbacks. He was a redshirt-freshman at the same time Brett Hundley was a redshirt-freshman. But Marcus was a whole league better than Brett as a quarterback in talent, instincts, reading, reaction time, creativity and knowledge of the game. I is reflected in their NFL draft positions. And it is reflected in their college football team’s accomplishments. This part year, Marcus did a lot of heavy lifting to keep Oregon afloat. His play in some of those games were simply pure unadulterated jaw-dropping genius. You just had to laugh with joy on seeing him play.

    Josh Rosen – by coming to UCLA early and having been at UCLA already for 8 months – is essentially already redshirt-freshman. He was the number one quarterback in the nation coming out of high school. And we have him. And he is impressive, highly talented. He has genius high football IQ. I think Josh Rosen is a potential Marcus Mariota type quarterback and is NFL quality. He is a notch above Brett Hundley when Brett was a redshirt-freshman in football IQ.

    Ashanti Woulard has the physical gifts to be a great quarterback. But if he starts, he essentially is equivalent to a red-shirt freshman – he hasn’t played a down in real action yet. The one big question mark is his head. And what I have read is that he has had difficulty understanding the playbook even with Brett Hundley’s tutoring, even with Brett being his roommate. To me that is a huge red-flag. With Ashanti, unfortunately, as far as I know I think he is a significant notch below Brett Hundley in the football IQ.

    I prefer NFL quality talent playing for the team whenever we have a choice. And when you have depth, playing an NFL quality freshman is OK. NFL quality players are geniuses at their position. Only the smartest players survive in the NFL – so much so that most of the players even have to take Adderall to keep up.

    So when I compare Rosen to the other quarterbacks, it is obvious who is NFL quality: Josh Rosen. He is the only one.

    If Rosen and Woulard theoretically started for two years at UCLA, I see Rosen drafted high in the first round and Woulard probably not being drafted at all. Again, Woulard is a notch below Brett Hundley in football IQ.

    As an analogy, if you have Lebron James coming in as a true-freshman on your football team, do you think you would keep him on the bench? Come on. He is going to start. Lebron has NFL physical talent and skills and genius IQ that is way over and above who every plays his position on the team.

    I choose Josh and Lebron.

    • ProbationU

      Be prepared for a litany of insults from the resident expert, Laker Rod. His is the only intelligent opinion in his mind. He is like the guy running around claiming that everyone else is crazy before he gets committed to the asylum.

      He not only believes that Woulard is better than Rosen, he thinks that Hundley should have sat at least part of his redshirt freshman year in favor of Prince or Brehaut.

      I am still waiting for him to provide a link to any sports writer or blogger anywhere that supports his position. I don’t think he can find one, unless he starts his own.

      • Laker Rod

        Still waiting on the historical evidence of true frosh success from a drop back QB. CRICKETS. Silence. SILENCE OF THE TRUE FROSH LAMBS. LOL

    • Laker Rod

      You seem to have already forgotten that Brett Hundley himself enrolled early. Brett’s somewhat disadvantage was that the coaching staff changed between his true frosh and redshirt freshman years.

      To even make a claim on how Josh Rosen’s IQ is already better than Brett Hundley’s as a redshirt frosh is plain ridiculous.

      Trent Edwards was the No 1 QB for Stanford and he had a tough time. Ron Pawlus? Remember him from Notre Dame? He was like the once in a decade QB supposedly. Played as true frosh and ended up terrible.

      And here is something for you, Every frosh QB who has had good success such as Mariota, Winston, Pryor, Hundley, Luck, Winston, etc. all were physical specimens. Ideal size of around at least 6’3 215 for the most part and/or very fast. Luck was the only one who didn’t have very good speed but he had good size at 6’3 210 with 4.7 speed coming out of HS and I repeat…he still redshirted.

      And to make comparison with Josh Rosen and Lebron James. LOL!! What a joke. Lebron James was like 6’8 and 245 and very muscular coming out of high school. High leaper and fast. Rosen is not very strong or fast at this point.

      Rosen looks like a tooth pick with his arms. None of you even dispute this. You guys better hope Rosen doesn’t get hurt because he doesn’t look ready to take a physical pounding.

      And the play book part is nonsense. The offense is very simple of what Mazzone runs. The plus of Mazzone is that he can get a young QB like a redshirt frosh in Hundley to play fairly decent (9 wins) but what Mazzone has also shown is that his offense bogs down against better defensive teams and the offense hits a certain ceiling. In addition, Mazzone’s offense benefited plenty with Hundley taking off and running.

      We are not going to get those same yards with Rosen. To simply say Rosen will make those yards up via passing as a true frosh is just plain stupid. Yes…Rosen can eventually make up those yards passing but he needs to learn how to do this first without throwing interceptions.

      • ProbationU

        If the playbook and the reads are so simple, how come Woulard could not beat out Jerry Neuheisel last year? Woulard has far superior physical attributes when compared to Jerry. Quite simple, Jerry was far superior in his understanding of the offense and in his ability to read the defense. That is Woulard’s weak point. Hopefully, it will improve because we need at least 2 quality QB’s. Ohio State needed 3 last year.

        The fact that the #1 rated dual threat QB in the country could not beat out Jerry Neuheisel should be a red flag. Nobody was recruiting Jerry. I love Jerry and my favorite moment last year was the TD pass to Payton in Texas…but he isn’t a long-term answer for the team. However, I would hire him as a QB coach when he graduates.

        • Laker Rod

          It was one game you dummy. Even Jim Mora said that he didn’t claim Jerry N. to be the No 2 QB. If Hundley was out for the season, Mora may have gone with Woulard because we all know JN has limitations. The fact is…JN was the best passer in the UCLA spring game which you idiots and others cannot acknowledge. GO WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDS.

          And there already is an improved difference of Woulard of this spring vs Woulard of 3rd game last year. Can’t you understand any of this?

          There is no red flag. Guys develop both physically and mentally at different rates. It’s been historically proven. This is why I mention guys like Scott McEwan which dummies like yourself cannot comprehend. As a 5th year senior, McEwan was UCLA’s best QB in 2001.

          Brian Wilmer the MLB for UCLA in Rocky Long’s 1997 defense was not very good his previous 4 years. The light bulb went on for him as a 5th year senior. Rick Neuheisel the walk on QB finally hit a high level as a 5th year senior.

          What has not been historically proven is that a true frosh QB like Rosen can lead a team to any type of college title.

          • ProbationU

            Insults and calling people dummy and moron just demean your superior intellect in all things. It is reflective of a severe shortcoming in other areas that you may be overcompensating for.

            While you are at it, try to find a link to any professional writer or blogger that agrees with you that: 1…Woulard is ahead of Rosen. And 2. Prince or Brehaut should have started ahead of Hundley.

            I think you will find yourself alone on the island with your friend, Wilson.

          • Laker Rod

            Professional writer. LOL!!! What you need to understand is that professional writers don’t have the time to focus on one team. All they talk about is Rosen’s passing. They don’t mention is physical limitations right now as a true frosh and they never point out Woulard’s running abillities or put enough emphasis on it.

            And I’m not on an island by myself. I repeat..about 10% of Bruin fans get it and you know what…you’re not one of them.

          • ProbationU

            Yet in spite of Jerry’s limitations, the fact remains that Woulard could not beat him out. The Mazzone offense is very simple (your words) and yet Woulard could not figure it out. Now, maybe the light will switch on and he will improve enough in Fall to earn the job, but if it doesn’t he should remain on the bench until he figures it out.

          • Laker Rod

            Woulard didn’t beat him out at that point. Doesn’t mean he can’t beat him out now. Already seems Woulard has surpassed JN. Well? Your logic is so stupid.

          • Laker Rod

            Oh…so after all your stupid arguing you admit Woulard can improve and win the job? LOL!!!

            It’s much easier to see Rosen’s physical deficiencies vs that of any grasping of offense deficiency that Woulard may have. Heck I’m not even convinced of Rosen being able to grasp and have command of the offense enough to get enough first downs for UCLA.

            I trust Woulard’s legs more than I do Rosen’s arm at this point.

          • ProbationU

            I have consistently said Woulard could improve and win the job. You have a problem with reading comprehension. Again. try some tutoring.

            As a prediction, I think it is likely that Rosen wins the job. As a fan, I want to have 2 quality QB’s in case one gets hurt.

            Whoever is best should get the start. Hopefully, we can get some nice leads in the first 2 games and get a backup QB some playing time. We many need them both during the season.

        • Laker Rod

          Far superior. LOL!!! It’s amazing the things you make up. Mora and the coaches felt JN had the edge when bringing somebody cold off the bench in relief of Hundley. That’s it. Quit exaggerating and making up lies saying Jerry was far superior. If he was then how has Woulard caught up so fast then? You don’t make any sense.

          Just digging yourself into a bigger grave.

          • ProbationU

            Again, reading comprehension!!

            I said “Woulard has far superior physical attributes when compared to Jerry. Quite simple, Jerry was far superior in his understanding of the offense and in his ability to read the defense.”

            Jerry understands the offense better than any of the QB’s, by far. He is extremely smart. Woulard is far superior physically.

            But I’ll keep digging. I haven’t gotten down to your level yet.

          • Laker Rod

            Reading comprehension. LOL!! You’re terrible with that. You said Jerry was far superior in his knowledge. What a moron. Jerry had the edge on Woulard coming off the bench of the 3rd game of the season. That’s it.

            And you’re darn right Woulard is far superior physically. It’s obvious. It’s obvious Woulard is far superior physically than Josh Rosen also.

            Get your head out of the sand.

          • ProbationU

            Neuheisel was the backup ALL year. Woulard was 3rd string. The rumored thinking was that if Hundley went down for several games, they would have tried to get Woulard up to speed. But after spending all that time in the program, you don’t think he should have been ahead of a weak-armed Jerry Neuheisel?

            If one player has vastly superior physical abilities and can’t win the job, what does that tell you? In order to be behind the guy that he is better than he must be vastly inferior in some area. In this case, Jerry is much smarter. Do you have another explanation?

          • Laker Rod

            No he wasn’t. You’re trying to argue against what Coach Mora said?

            And I repeat…you’re so stupid. Woulard was only a redshirt frosh last year. It takes time to learn the position for some. Woulard started to come on in spring 2015. You can’t argue this.

            Your point is meaningless.

            Jerry is much smarter and a better passer than Josh Rosen at this point. There is a reason why the coaches kept all 4 QB’s in the rotation you moron.

            You ever consider the angle that the coaches don’t want Josh Rosen to transfer like JP Losmand did…so the coaches are letting Rosen compete which is the right thing to do anyhow.

          • ProbationU

            No because JP Losman had an idiot for a mother. My daughter went to school with him and members of my family coached him as a youth. It was a poor decision on his part to go to Tulane. Josh Rosen is much smarter than JP ever was. It’s a bad comparison.

            I guess it is a conspiracy between Mora and every reporter to play up that Rosen is ahead at this point. Jack Wang, are you a part of the conspiracy to make Josh Rosen look better than he really does? Maybe as a Berkeley grad you want the true freshman?

          • Laker Rod

            You just love to bad mouth players who have left the program which is what idiots like yourself do. Toledo was part of the problem himself. All he had to do was do what Mora is doing. Wake up.

            Mora is smarter than Toledo ever was. Mora is smarter than KD and RN also.

            I have not seen anything which shows Rosen is smarter than JP ever was. JP Losman played in the NFL right? Where did Cory Paus and Ryan McCann end up? It was foolish of Toledo to call an end to the competition so early.

            And your desperation shows. Asking for Mr. Jack Wang’s help. LOL!!!

          • ProbationU

            Very simple. We knew the family. I have personal knowledge. Losman transferring after not being awarded the job in Spring was a poor and immature decision influenced by his mother. He ended up at a bad football school (Tulane) and had to wait 2 years at least behind another QB.

            If you consider Mora to be smarter than Toledo and Neuheisel (and I assume Dorrell), then why don’t you trust him with the QB decision?

          • Laker Rod

            He didn’t leave after not being rewarded job in the spring you idiot. All reports said Losman left because Toledo would NOT leave the competition open for the fall.

            Quit blaming only Losman. He idiots called him Loserman after he left. Well he showed you idiots that he made it to the NFL despite going to Tulane. Where did Cory Paus and McCann end up?

            Both Losman and Toledo/UCLA could have done better with the situation.

            UCLA sucked for many years due to bad coaching and dumb recruiting decisions. Always trying to start young QB’s. Just plain STUPID!

          • ProbationU

            I guess Losman did not agree with the Laker Rod program of redshirting. He was a pretty thin guy. Kind of like a twig.

          • Laker Rod

            Lame response. ProbationU admitting defeat.

          • ProbationU

            You can’t even own up to your own quote stating that Luck won a conference championship. When presented right in front of your face with the quote…you say out of context.

            You have latched yourself on to Woulard no matter what. If he doesn’t get the job and Rosen struggles, you will claim that you were right all along…yet you won’t be able to prove it unless Woulard comes in and performs better. It’s just a hypothetical.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! You have latched yourself onto Josh Rosen. TRUE FROSH LOVER! Please tell us what other true frosh will be starting for UCLA in 2015. LOL!!!

          • Richard

            I think u r probably the only one who thinks JN is smarter or has a better arm than JR.
            Frankly, I think his arm stinks n

          • Laker Rod

            JN is smarter than Rosen at this point. JR has a “stronger” pass ability but he didn’t show in the spring game he was the better passer vs JN. Watch the video.

          • ProbationU

            And in the last regular season game against Stanford, when Hundley got hurt, Jerry came in. Translation: Jerry was QB #2 all year last year and Woulard #3. Currently, I am guessing they have switched positions…but we will find out this August.

        • Richard

          I wish u guys wouldn’t make it so personal.
          However, IMO, u can’t compare any of the 1st yr QB busts to mention to Rosen. He is a rare talent. Prob would have been picked in the 3rd Round this yr, never having played CF.
          KLS needs more weight & we have a lot of “good” OLBs.
          Weight is not that important at QB, height is. Rosie weighs 211 now and hopes to put on 5 more lbs by Fall. Again, I must remind, Rosie already has red shirted … at Bosco. He is 100x more seasoned as a QB than gifted Asianti

  • Laker Rod

    ProbationU. Full on contradictions. Says that Kesian Lucier South may not be ready and may need to redshirt due to his size. 6’5 210 or 6’6 215 certainly is a size that isn’t ready for an OLB as a true frosh.

    But yet some how ProbationU thinks Josh Rosen at 6’4 205 as a true frosh within his stick arms even shown in the picture is physically ready. Contradictions!

    Historical evidence has shown any player who is undersized for their position often struggle. 6’1 165 true frosh Sheldon Price cannot get the job done. He shied away from any running contact. By the time he was a senior he filled out to around 180 which is more ideal size. He even made it to the NFL.

    6’0 212 Deon Hollins was not ready as a true frosh as an OLB/DE. It clearly showed.

    Bruce Davis was not ready as a 6’3 205 pass russing DE as a true frosh or redshirt frosh. When he got up to 225 to 230 as a redshirt junior…yeah he was ready.

    Anthony Jefferson was not ready as a true frosh. He ended up getting hurt. So did Kenny Clark. Same with 5’10 160 Darren Andrews. Chris Ward offensive line guy got hurt also as a true frosh. Nick Abele rushed to try and perform. Career ending neck injury. Wayne Yandall injured as redshirt frosh. Micah Kia injured as a true frosh. Aleksy Lanis injured as redshirt frosh.

    Sorry but Rosen doesn’t pass the eye ball test at this point. He’s too skinny and not strong enough and not fast enough. You have to purely rely on his passing and he’s not there as a true frosh. No drop back QB type has ever historically been ready as a true frosh. Expect easily 4 or more losses. I don’t care who else UCLA has. A mediocre QB can easily bring down a veteran team. UCLA had 5 returning starting O line guys in 1989. Brett Johnson even as a redshirt frosh messed all that up.

    • ProbationU

      Simple. KLS has good, veteran players ahead of him. Rosen does not. Good LB depth. Bad QB depth.

      Notice I said may not be ready. He could surprise me. It’s simply a prediction. If KLS displays better skills, then I am sure he will play.

      Rod, most people go with talent, even over experience. There was a guy named Coach Wooden that believed that. I will take his word for it.

      • Laker Rod

        Oh really? Like who. Please name those players at the opposite OLB spot. You idiot.

        My position is that there are adequate OLB’s at the other spot and even beyond which you wouldn’t even understand until I explain it to you.

        So for your own argument sake. Name the players.

        • ProbationU

          Aaron Wallace played last year as did Kenny Orjioke who got injured. We also have Jayon Brown and Isaako Savaiinea on the inside should the staff decide to move Jack back to the outside at some point. The D also goes to a 3-2-6 defense at times where you could move in a safety like Tahaan Goodman who is a very physical player. So, there are options.

          But hey, you may have some others that you want to hype up. So, I don’t expect KLS to be in the mix but it is possible, just like it is possible for Woulard to beat out Rosen.

          You like to bring up all the history of other teams. Playing decisions are based upon a lot of different factors like talent, discipline, understanding the scheme and the ability to make big plays. It also matters what other available options the coaches have.

          So, on the QB matter, the history of true freshman QB’s is not the main issue. We have 3 QB’s with no experience. Which one will be most successful in helping the team win games. Period. Case closed.

          • Laker Rod

            See. I already know you were going to post such nonsense.

            Listen to yourself you moron. This is you speaking now. You say Asianti Woulard hasn’t done anything up to this point. Well…guess what…neither has Aaron Wallace or Kenny Orjioke. FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS on your part.

            And there is no point in mentioning Jayon Brown and Isaako as they are inside LB’s.

            We are talking about Kesian Lucier South who is a projected outside LB. He’s listed at 6’6 or 6’5. Not too many “inside” LB’s at that height.

            You already admit he may not be physically ready this fall but yet you can’t admit Josh Rosen may not be physically be ready despite his thin frame which you have NEVER denied. Come on. Just admit you might have been WRONG. You can’t can you.

            And you’ve just proven your short sightedness and you’re wrong. too.

            Jerry N. has experience. Heck even Woulard has experience of people part of the live games and in the locker room which is much more than you can say about Josh Rosen.

            Rosen has physical deficiencies which you cannot admit. You know you are wrong. This is proven on your position with KLS. Mr. CONTRADICTION.

            Case closed. YOU FAIL.

          • ProbationU

            READING COMPREHENSION. I said those 2 guys were inside LBs. The team plays several schemes and there are several defensive alignments, some of which we don’t even know at this point as there is a new DC. It doesn’t matter how many stars KLS has. He is either going to be ready to play or he isn’t.

            Orjioke and Wallace played far more than Neuheisel (other than holding for placekicks) and Woulard. How many passes did Woulard throw last year? How many yards did he rush for? How long has it been since he actually played in a real game?

          • Laker Rod

            So why you even bring them up you idiot if they are inside LB’s?

            UCLA needs depth also. Guys move around.

            What’s the matter now? Changing your tune and position. You said KLS may not be physically read and may not play this year. Now you’re saying he is either going to ready to play or he is not. LOL!!!

            And it’s unbelievable how you come up with these stupid responses. It’s hard for a “QB” to be quality “back up” time.

            I have examples to back up my support in a redshirt junior or redshirt sophomore QB. Matt Leinart took USC to a conference championship and an AP poll national championship going 13-1 as a redshirt sophomore with hardly playing the year before under Carson Palmer.

            You don’t have any examples of a true frosh drop back QB!! EXAMPLES PLEASE! BLIND FAITH MORON!!!

          • ProbationU

            Because it doesn’t matter. SC had other options. We have 2 viable options, Rosen or Woulard. That’s it.

            And try reading about what I said about LBers. One of the 2 inside LBers could play if the staff decided to move Jack back to the outside. It’s called being flexible and having options.

          • Laker Rod

            What are you talking about SC had other options.

            And you’re lost on the LB stuff. UCLA will again be going 5 DB’s and only 3 LB’s or some times even 2 only just like they did last year.

            I already have KLS penciled in to redshirt which is what his best for him at his current size. And don’t go changing your mind now of what you orignally said…MR CONTRADICTION.

          • ProbationU

            You should forward that list to the staff. I am sure Tom Bradley needs your help. Again, if you read what I wrote above you will see that I mention the 3-2-6….but then again…you don’t pay attention to anything anyone else has to say…because you already know it all.

          • Laker Rod

            NO. You should forward your idiotic nonsense to every Div 1 college football coach out there to play true freshmen. LOL!!! They will know you’re an obvious idiot.

    • Ted

      Maybe Myles Jack should start at QB? He had success as a true freshman and has the ideal size and is more athletic upside than Rosen, Woulard, and Neuheisel! Or we can start Devin Fuller! He was a stud as a true freshman and he is a QB to boot!

      • Laker Rod

        No need for the sarcasm. You’re trying to argue for a true frosh drop back QB also? Why? There is no historical evidence of success. Rosen doesn’t have ideal size or speed.

        • Ted

          Not arguing for Rosen… I think Devin Fuller should start for real! He was an awesome QB in high school. He is fast and has been in game situation in college. I think he should get a look. My opinion. There is examples of that…

          • ProbationU

            Well, Fuller has completed more passes at UCLA than Woulard.

  • Laker Rod

    ProbationU. No historical support to go with a true frosh QB. Name just one example where a QB like Josh Rosen’s build has let his team to a conference championship. Come on. Just one. You mean to tell me you’ve been watching football for over 50 years and can’t even come up with one example? LOL!!!!!

    • ProbationU

      I don’t need to. It’s a non-issue. The issue is which one of the 3 QB’s that we have to choose from gives us the best chance to win the most games. You can’t even frame the question properly.

      I say that the coaches will have a decision during the Fall. It sounds like you are excluding Rosen from the competition even if he is the best option.

      • Laker Rod

        LOL!!! Not even one example. LOL!!! ProbationU. Blind faith.

        • ProbationU

          Because it doesn’t matter. You are too stupid to understand that. It only matters how he compares to the other candidates for the job. What impact do the struggles of previous QB’s have to Josh Rosen. None.

          • Laker Rod

            Not even one example. LOL!!!! ProbationU TRUE FRESHMAN ARE THE BEST. LOL!!!

            It doesn’t mater because TRUE FROSH ARE THE BEST. LOL. WHAT AN IDIOT. CHANGE YOUR NAME TO TRUE FROSH LOVER.

          • ProbationU

            Where are all the people that agree with you that we should start Woulard even if Rosen plays better in the Fall?

          • Laker Rod

            Historical evidence wins over your dumb friend. LOL!! TRUE FROSH LOVER! Let’s make the whole team true frosh. See how they do. LOL!!! You think they will win a national championship Oh brother

          • Richard

            I’m all for that !
            Start Wariboko, Ulu-Perry & Tavita !!
            Blow that A Gap wide open for Perk a la Baca for Franklin.

    • Sandy Underpants

      Dude, we’re UCLA. All we care about is beating SC and we do it every year they are on sanctions except the time we lost 0-50, but that shouldn’t count. Conference championships– 0. So what!?! We’re UCLA.

  • Laker Rod

    Hey ProbationU. I bet you I can name a true frosh starter at every single position for every team who has won a “national” championship in the last 20 years alone. The only exception is “drop back” quarterback. In fact…drop back QB is the only position where a true frosh can’t even win a “conference” championship.

    You simply don’t follow logic or the odds and you’re just full of contradictions. You say most true frosh should redshirt. Well..why is this? You never answered.

    Even Mr. Jack Wang found the article and posted here related to the struggles of true frosh QB’s.

    • ProbationU

      Jack Wang also said that Rosen was quite a bit ahead of the other QB’s. Read THE ARTICLE above.

      The history of freshman QB’s doesn’t factor into the decision unless a better option appears in the Fall.

      • Laker Rod

        Only factors in passing. Admit it.

        • ProbationU

          Find me ANYONE that says Woulard leads at this point. You still can’t find it. You are a party of one.

          • Laker Rod

            So you admit Woulard is a much better runner than Rosen? You think this doesn’t count because in practice they don’t focus on this part.

            FInd me ANYONE else beside the coaches who has factored in Woulard’s running ability.

          • ProbationU

            Certainly you have factored it in and you are way smarter than anyone else.

            Now the coaches will decide in the Fall who gets the nod. You are the one that likes to argue and is closed off to the possibility that Rosen may be the best option. Only you have decided. The rest of us have left our minds open to the possibility that Woulard could show improvement and win the job.

          • Laker Rod

            No you didn’t. There you go lying again.

          • ProbationU

            You have clearly stated that Rosen shouldn’t start. So is it between Neuheisel and Woulard with Rosen redshirting?

          • Laker Rod

            Yeah…and I gave my logical reasons you moron. Rosen isn’t 6’4 225 with 4.6 speed or better and built like a beast.

            Just like you say how KLS is not ready…I’m saying the same thing for Rosen. We each have our opinion. Mine is more logical than yours Plain fact.

            We each have our opinion on true frosh QB’s leading their team to a championship. Mine is more logical than yours and I have more historical evidence to back up my point.

            You saying stupid stuff like past performance is not indicative of future results is totally lame when it comes to true frosh QB. You can’t even come up with one drop back type QB example.

            I have given you plenty of mobile Qb’s you have done well in their young career. Redshirt sophomores have had plenty of success without hardly playing before.

            I repeat…you are simply going against the odds and relying on blind hope.

          • Laker Rod

            Lead in what way? Woulard leads in physical abilities and as a runner. Things which are not highlighted as much during practice.

            The sad part is that you are not an idiot of one. 90% of Bruin fans are stupid just like yourself. TRUE FRESHMAN ARE THE BEST. LOL!!

          • ProbationU

            In the article above, Jack states that the consensus among writers was that Rosen presented the best starting option..i.e. in the lead. Again, you should actually try reading. It is good to listen to others from time to time.

            You are focused on him being a true freshman. Most logical people would focus on who is better. The fact that he may be ahead at this point also does not matter so much. We will find out in August who gets the nod.

      • Tommy B Low Us

        LOL! I picture this guy at his keyboard all red faced about to have a coronary. His face is as red as his red shirt argument. Heaaattted!

        • ProbationU

          He is a dumb as they come, Tommy.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            I have gathered as much from his OCD. LOL!

          • Laker Rod

            Awee…your little pea brain friend has come to your rescuel. LOL

          • Tommy B Low Us

            We get it you have an opinion. Now chill out.

          • ProbationU

            He is using his girlfriends to type…left hand…right hand…

          • Laker Rod

            Lame remarks. You start to say personal stuff and it shows you’ve lost. Girlfriend…left hand and right hand. So sad. An idiot and a low life. Take it back and I might feel different about you being a low life but you’re still an idiot until proven otherwise.

          • ProbationU

            What year was it that Luck won the conference title?

          • Laker Rod

            What do you make up these lies CYA.

          • ProbationU

            No problem, I will be a low life in the eyes of Mr. Laker 2 Inch Rod.

          • Laker Rod

            You’re a low life to this entire board and an embarrassment. You’ve admitted defeat. Stick to football. You can’t. LOSER!

          • Laker Rod

            We get it too. You’re idiot 2 Probation idiot 1.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Somebody didn’t get any attention as a child. Now he has to come on here for attention. Chill out dude. You have an opinion and that is it.

          • Laker Rod

            Yup. Proven. Another low life. Stick to football you idiot. You obviously can’t which is why you resort to what you do.

            You have an opinion yourself. No need say stuff like didn’t get any attention as a child. What a loser.

            A low life and a loser is much worse than being an idiot about football.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Yeah yeah yeah. Blah blah blah. Whatever dude. Like I care what you say. However, you need to chill out. It is not worth getting fired up over.

          • ProbationU

            He’s the only guy I have ever seen argue to play the less talented player. And he thinks he’s smart. He was probably the last guy picked at the playground for any game.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            What is he going to do when mora starts Rosen? I think the whole blog will crash. LOL!!

          • Laker Rod

            What are you going to do if Rosen redshirts. LOL!!! Hundley did. LOL!! Luck did. Mariota did. Winston did. You will still stay the idiot you are promoting the next true frosh.

            True frosh Tommy Idiot.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Unlike you, I want mora to chose the most consistent player to start and play. If woulard wins the job (is the most consistent) so be it. If Rosen wins the job so be it. I am not going to base anything off historical stats. Really I just want them to do well and put the best players on have field regardless of their age or experience.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! Lame. I want the most consistent player to play. Historically true frosh are the most inconsistent. You’re trying to argue against this? You’re a moron

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Get over yourself. You don’t know anything. You just think you do. Truly sad. I hope you are not a UCLA alumni.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! More lame comments. Stick to football. You can’t.

            You cannot even get yourself to admit true frosh are the most inconsistent historically but yet you’re trying to claim you want the most consistent QB to play. Oh the irony and contradiction.

            And certainly you have to understand that QB’s have often looked good in practice ala Cory Paus but when they face a real live pass they suck.

            For you to be arguing and wanting a true frosh to start at this point is just plain dumb. You would be better off waiting until deep into summer before arguing your case for a true frosh

          • Bigwoof1

            Hmm. I suspect Laker Rod does not know the difference between ‘historically’ and ‘hysterically.’

          • Laker Rod

            Lame. You have any examples where true frosh drop back QB’s have had success? Stay on FANTASY ISLAND.

          • Bigwoof1

            Not the point, Rod. Whether or not something has been done in the past does not mean it can’t be done in the future. Rosen could be that exceptional athlete who could make it work. My point is you are being pretty hysterical or just plain uncompromising in your thesis, repeating it so often. We got it the first hundred times. I will trust the coaching staff to make the right decision and wait to see what happens.

          • Laker Rod

            It is the point. Think about all the true frosh QB’s that have started in the last 5 years alone where coaches and fans have had the same mentality. Just trying to pull a rabbit out of the hat. I don’t see Jim Mora nor Noel Mazzone going with Josh Rosen. It would be different if Rosen was 6’4 225 and as strong as an ox and run a 4.55 40 yard dash. He’s not any of those right now.

            I trust the staff to do the right thing also…and it won’t be playing a true frosh QB.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Making up more lies. When you lose you change the argument. Woulard overall is better than Rosen. You got it? Nothing about the lies you make up in playing a less talented player. You’re already claiming Rosen is more talented than Woulard?

            Woulard would destroy Rosen in any physical competition and you know it. Woulard can run much better than Rosen.

            I never said Woulard is a better “passer” then Rosen. It’s easy to see Rosen’s potential but he’s not ready as a true frosh. Stick with what I have claimed and quit making up lies to mask what a fool you have made of yourself over this debate.

          • ProbationU

            So, are you finally committing to the thought that the better player should play? That it doesn’t matter that Rosen is a freshman because Woulard is a better QB? Can you stick with that point?

            Ultimately, Mora will decide. You have already stated that he is smarter than the previous coaches. What will you say if he goes with Rosen over Woulard? Does that put him in the dumb category?

          • Laker Rod

            You’re so stupid. I’ve always been comitted to the best player playing. That player is Woulard as this point you moron.

            Historical evidence has shown true frosh suck. Admit it!

            Yeah…Mora will decide and same with Mazzone. Mazzone has never started a true frosh. Accept it.

            And just an fyi. I’ve called RN an idiot for playing Richard Brehaut and same for Toledo with both Drew Olson and Matt Moore

            We already know where your stubborn butt stands. Despite no proof of a true frosh ever having success you will still try to go against the odds. You simply cannot accept redshirting can be good but oh way..you contradict yourself with KLS.

          • Richard

            Didn’t Jameis Winston win a Nattie and a Heisman as a true freshman ??!

          • Laker Rod

            He redshirted dummy. Winston was almost 21 years old also when he won the BCS championship.

          • Richard

            Did I tell you I had dinner w the Hamilton Hi FB alumni who played at UCLA, Mo Freedman and Steve Sindell?
            Al Michaels, Hamilton Alum was there too.
            Mo started at Center for Beban.
            Talked a lot about Shelly Novack as well.
            Stiles is not a member of the Riv anymore, is he ??

          • ProbationU

            Steve is a very good friend of mine. Stiles is still a member.

          • Laker Rod

            So with yeah yeah yeah. I guess you realized your error. Stick to football if you can.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            I realized a few things. Somebody has an opinion and needs to chill out.

          • ProbationU

            I recommended lithium awhile back. Anyone that thinks Hundley should have sat as a RS Freshman in favor of Prince or Brehaut either already did too many drugs or needs to.

          • Laker Rod

            Oh…repeating the same lies. LOSER

          • Laker Rod

            I’ve realized from the beginning …you’re an idiot about football.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            You don’t know anything. You just have an opinion. Get over yourself. This is why we mock you.

          • Richard

            I’m not sure you’ve seen enough of Asuanti at practice. Although, a gifted runner his accuracy is VERY inconsistent.
            Rosen doesn’t need to run. This will be a true pro style offense – RBs run and QB simply manages the game.

          • ProbationU

            Where are your pea brained friends?

          • Laker Rod

            Can’t handle your own battles so you go off crying for help. LOL!!! Weakling

          • Laker Rod

            My friends are smart not dumb like you and True Frosh Tommy Idiot

        • Laker Rod

          LOL!!! I’m much younger than your old butt. You finally return idiot 2?

      • Laker Rod

        So can you name any true frosh drop back QB’s who have won any championships?

        How can you even argue a point which has NEVER happened? Just plain illogical.

      • Tommy B Low Us

        This guy must be crazy. Red shirt rod the village idiot.

        • Laker Rod

          There is no craziness in not wanting a true frosh to win a QB job. The crazy person is yourself and ProbationU.

          From Tommy True Frosh. Oh yes….playing true frosh is the best thing always even though there is no historical evidence to prove it.

          LOL!!!

      • Richard

        Why does LR presume that Rosen will make more mistakes than Asianti ? Rosen has played the position A LOT longer than AW. AW has a questionable arm.

        • ProbationU

          You will undoubtedly find out soon.

        • Laker Rod

          Because true frosh tend to make more mistakes. Duh! What evidence you have that says Rosen will make less?

  • Laker Rod

    Dear Mr. Mora

    This is ProbationU (aka Dumb) and Tommy Be Low US (Dumber)

    We want you to start the most consistent QB even though we know true frosh are the most inconsistent QB’s historically. We know we just contradicted ourselves but you see we have this problem.

    We have been backed into a corner by this poster named Laker Rod. He has provided all this logical support and evidence related to true frosh drop back QB’s not performing well historically.

    He has also corrected us on our thought process of how players who have not shown much in the past can actually improve and get better.

    He has also stated in how redshirt sophomore Woulard is physically superior to true frosh Josh Rosen in every facet at this point. We just can’t admit it to him though.

    He made us realize that there is more to a QB spot than just “passing” Running is important too.

    We are stubborn and can’t admit we may be wrong. So can you start Josh Rosen as a true frosh so we don’t embarrass ourselves further? We don’t care how the season goes. We know true frosh drop back QB’s don’t do well. We just like going against the odds. Thank you for your time.

    Signed
    Dumb and Dumber

    • Tommy B Low Us

      Oh this is rich. Please send this to mora. I am sure he will get a nice laugh out of it. If fact I might give it to him myself.

  • ProbationU

    My condolence and deepest sympathy to Laker Rod. He has lost all claim to credibility. It isn’t his error in claiming that Andrew Luck won a conference championship. An error is understandable. Many people may have thought Luck did win one at Stanford. It is his pathological need to be right on a meaningless little discussion board regarding UCLA Football.

    When I first mentioned his mistake, he claimed I took it out of context. When I copied the entire quote shown below, he went back and deleted it from his post and called me a liar. I am sure he will do it again.

    That’s okay, Rod. We both know the truth and while we all make mistakes in life and may have incorrect information, most of us are able to own up to our errors. You seem to have a deeper need to prove to everyone that you are always right.

    According to Laker Rod:
    “I repeat…good things come to those who wait and have patience. Read up on Andrew Luck and see how he declined to play as a true frosh. Luck left after winning a conference championship and playing in BCS bowl games.”

    You see, I disagree with your opinions, which is not a big deal. I think you are wrong about much of what you say, not everything but much of it. It’s just too bad you cannot tell the truth here and will probably continue with the lie. And, you and I both know you are lying here. I can see you wagging your finger at the camera like Bill Clinton or Mark McGwire. So, go on. Have at it. I have better things to do.

    You sir, have no credibility as long as you stick to the lie. You do have the opportunity to reverse it. Let’s see if you have the decency.

    • Tommy B Low Us

      What will we ever do? Red shirt rod thinks we are dumb. Better call our senator and file some paperwork.

    • MPPBruin

      I’ve enjoyed checking in on this thread over the last couple of days, not because there’s anything new to read, but more to see the downward spiral. You are fighting a yeoman’s fight, my friend.

      • ProbationU

        I am done. I summed it all up above.

        • Laker Rod

          A child is smarter than an idiot like yourself.

  • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

    Rod, I was wrong. You hadn’t hit bottom yet.

    You’re behaving like Nestor without moderator privileges; you’re not being honest (or decent), and it isn’t pretty.

    The question is not whether a year spent redshirting can help a true freshman — obviously, it can — the question is which QB gives UCLA the best chance to win games.

    To his credit, Neu could have burned Brett’s redshirt to try to save his job, but he didn’t; the costs outweighed the benefits.

    If Rosen is heads-and-shoulders above his peers, then Mora would be wrong not to play him.

    Take a breath, Rod.

    • Tommy B Low Us

      Posting logical arguments like this will not sway this guy. He has to be right regardless if his argument is off base.

      I appreciate you trying to bring some logic into this thread. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

      • Laker Rod

        LOL!! Logical. Yeah…let’s play true frosh even though historically they are terrible. Where is the logic in that. LOL!! IDIOT!!

    • Laker Rod

      Nestor. LOL! He’s an idiot also. Every Bruin fan site promotes the play of true freshmen and they exaggerate the amount of contribution they will provide each year.

      And you’re totally stupid to believe Neuheisel’s job would have been saved by Brett Hundley. Brett Hundley would have had more games like the one he had at Cal his redshirt frosh year! Think about it.

      And Rosen isn’t even head and shoulders above his peers. Just blind wishful thinking on your part. Rosen isn’t 6’4 225 and runs a 4.6. He’s a stick arm 6’4 205 waiting to get hurt. NONE of you try and argue this. Woulard would DESTROY Rosen if every physical category. DESTROY. It’s not enough close.

      • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

        And you’re totally stupid to believe Neuheisel’s job would have been
        saved by Brett Hundley […] Rosen isn’t even head and shoulders above his peers.

        Are you unable or unwilling to read honestly?

        I wrote, “to try to save his job,” and “If Rosen is heads-and-shoulders.”

        Have some dignity.

        • ProbationU

          Rod has comprehension issues because his mind is already made up. He has his ongoing theme which is unchanging. It isn’t the 1st time he has failed to understand an opposing view.

          • MPPBruin

            I think I’ve moved into “don’t feed the trolls territory”. You can see the anger rise in his posts, so there’s really no point. His arguments are practically dogmatic at this point.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            It seems less a reading problem and more of an emotional one.

            Rod seems unable to admit that he’s way off base, both in content and (especially) in tone.

        • Laker Rod

          Playing Brett Hundley as a true frosh would NOT have saved Rick’s job and you know it. Brett would have had more games like he did at CAL.
          Rick N. had already attempted to play many true freshmen and they all FAILED!

          1. Malcolm Jones 2. Morrell Pressley 3. Randall Carroll 4. Antwan Moutra 5. Sheldon Price 6. Owa Odighizuwa 7. Chris Ward 8. Iuta Tepa 9. Richard Brehaut 10. Anthony Barr 11. Seali Epenesa 12. Cassius Marsh 13. Anthony Jefferson 14. Dietrich Riley 15. Jordan Zumwalt

          All of them were terrible and make many mistakes or even got hurt their true frosh year!

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            None of which has anything to do with who gives the Bruins the best chance to win this fall.

          • Laker Rod

            Historically true frosh QB’s don’t give any team the best chance to win. If you have any examples go ahead and name them. I’ve been waiting forever.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            You’re still not reading.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL! YOU are the one as well as others who can’t follow LOGIC.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            I prefer sound reasoning, not yours.

          • Laker Rod

            Sound reasoning. LOL!! Playing a true frosh drop back QB as skinny as Rosen. LOL!!

            I’ll go with top coaches instead of listening to dumb folks like yourself.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            I’ll go with top coaches instead of listening to dumb folks like yourself.

            So, to you, Harbaugh’s not a “top coach.”

            How … “dumb.”

          • Laker Rod

            He is a top coach. He redshirted both Luck and Hogan you idiot!!

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            Thanks for proving my point. Again.

          • Laker Rod

            This was after 4 games were already played. Wake up. The idiot is YOU obviously. In the end…what ended up happening? Luck redshirted YOU idiot.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            Speaking of “idiot”:

            “Andrew, I’m thinking about starting you in this game,” Harbaugh remembers saying.

            “I would really be excited to do that,” Luck replied, “but I don’t feel
            like I beat anybody out. I don’t feel like I deserve it.”

            “Well, you really haven’t been in that position,” Harbaugh said. “The
            competition’s been between those other three [quarterbacks]. You’ve
            shown enough in practice. I think you’re ready and you’re the best thing
            for the team.”

          • Laker Rod

            Just repeating yourself? Can’t admit you’re wrong can you.

            Harbaugh redshirted Luck. Name a great coach who has played a true frosh QB. Go ahead. Name the year and provide their win loss record that year. Surely you idiots can come up with some examples. Convince me. LOL!!!

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            Speaking of “wrong,” “idiot,” and “LOL,” you persist with your absurd — and really embarrassing, to be honest — straw men. The question is not whether redshirting benefits a player, the question is whether the best player should play at a particular position.

            Luck thought that he hadn’t earned the job; Harbaugh thought he was ready. You can perserverate in nescient name-calling all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that Harbaugh puts the lie to your odd, emotional rut:

            “Andrew, I’m thinking about starting you in this game,” Harbaugh remembers saying.

            “I would really be excited to do that,” Luck replied, “but I don’t feel
            like I beat anybody out. I don’t feel like I deserve it.”

            “Well, you really haven’t been in that position,” Harbaugh said. “The competition’s been between those other three [quarterbacks]. You’ve shown enough in practice. I think you’re ready and you’re the best thing for the team.”

          • Laker Rod

            Oh brother. In your mind now it’s the true frosh who decides whether he wants play or not not the head coach. Wow. You have lost it big time.

            Go tell Jim Harbaugh that it’s his true frosh players who are running the show.

            Get it through your thick skull. Jim Harbaugh was the head coach and he is the one who decided that Luck should sit at the start of the season and he is the one who ultimately decided to redshirt.

            Do you realize how stupid you are making yourself look?

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            In your mind, a coach’s words mean nothing if they contradict your own.

            Speaking of “stupid-looking” and “thick-skulled,” here’s Coach Harbaugh in his own words:

            “Andrew, I’m thinking about starting you in this game,” Harbaugh remembers saying.

            “I would really be excited to do that,” Luck replied, “but I don’t feel
            like I beat anybody out. I don’t feel like I deserve it.”

            “Well, you really haven’t been in that position,” Harbaugh said. “The competition’s been between those other three [quarterbacks]. You’ve shown enough in practice. I think you’re ready and you’re the best thing for the team.”

          • Laker Rod

            His actions speak louder than his words. He didn’t play Luck for the first 4 games! He ended up redshirting Luck you moron!

            So in reality Jim Harbaugh didn’t play the best player he had that year? I trust him more than your stupid dumb butt.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            moron […] stupid dumb butt.

            And that’s Laker Rod at his most incisive and eloquent, he who knows better than Harbaugh, Hundley, Mora, and Rosen what they think, feel, and should do.

            If Rod really did trust Harbaugh, then he would listen to him:

            “Andrew, I’m thinking about starting you in this game,” Harbaugh remembers saying.

            “I would really be excited to do that,” Luck replied, “but I don’t feel like I beat anybody out. I don’t feel like I deserve it.”

            “Well, you really haven’t been in that position,” Harbaugh said. “The competition’s been between those other three [quarterbacks]. You’ve shown enough in practice. I think you’re ready and you’re the best thing for the team.”

  • Bigwoof1

    Guys, from skimming through the posts here, it seem clear to me that (at least in his mind) Laker Rod is more intelligent and more knowledgeable than anyone else who posts here, as well as Rosen, Luck, Manning, Mora, and Einstein. Clearly, then, no opposing ideas or theories can be more superior to his. At least, according to him, the world is no longer flat (I think).

  • Laker Rod

    Chris Clark? You have got to be kidding. Trying to rely on another true frosh? It’s not happening. Thomas Duarte will be there for the 3rd down catches or Woulard will be running for the first down.

    We’re not going to be very successful with one true frosh in Josh Rosen throwing to another true frosh Chris Clark. Where do you guys come from? Show me where this type of combo of two true frosh have had great success. You won’t find any.

    Go find Mr. Roarke your host….WELCOME TO FANTASY ISLAND!

    • Richard

      Our FB Philosophy conflicts. I wanna play pro-style, smash mouth w/ the BIGGEST & BEST ppl on the field at all times. This style of play and the prospect of playing immediately is what is needed to consistently get top 3 players. Overall, Kentucky has done well starting c. 5 true freshman at a time.
      I would rather add over 100 lbs to the aggregate weight of my OL than play “experience”. W/ Wariboko, Ulu-Perry and Tevita + the addition of a true tight end (a 250 lb pile driving run blocker) we can control the line of scrimmage with the run game. + Clark is better than the 2 recent Stanford TEs & better than Grankowski.
      YOU want a dual threat QB, spread type O. GREAT recruits don’t want to play in that type of O. Rosen’s Pro Style presence has already garnered several players who committed …. (just) to play w/ hiim.

      • Laker Rod

        Our football philosophies don’t necessarily conflict. I like some power style also but you can’t play and win with this style at UCLA unless you can consistently get the talent and develop that talent. Historically UCLA has NOT been able to do this. One of the main reasons is academic.

        Getting the team to 3 consecutive 10 win seasons was the easy part. It’s not easy to have UCLA win the Pac-12 South every year and win a conference championship. There is too often a weak link and UCLA is not able to replace this weak link with a transfer very often.

        And please don’t compare college basketball to college football. Give me a break. There is plenty of historical evidence of true frosh basketball players doing very well. The same cannot be said of football.

        Please name a UCLA blocking tight end who played very well his true frosh year. You won’t find one. Even Marcedes Lewis and Mike Seidman sucked their first year. Mike Seidman was part of the 1999 team that went 4-7. Lewis’s true frosh year he had 6 catches. Mike Seidman who was a senior in 2002 was very good that year.

        And Clark is not better than anybody at this point. Wait until he enrolls. I’m sure you thought Jeremy Castro was starting for day 1 also. LOL

  • Sandy Underpants

    What round did Brent Hundley go? I stopped watching the draft after day 4.

  • Laker Rod

    Kevin Prince horrible example. Only a redshirt frosh white guy with a glass jaw. You trying to compare Woulard to Prince? Give me a break.

    Prince was like 6’2 220 also…not like stick Rosen at 6’4 205. Oh brother. Injury waiting to happen.