USC 11th In Pac-12 In Grad Success Rates

The NCAA graduation success rates were released today and USC is near the bottom of the Pac-12 rankings in 11th place. The rates are a four-year average for freshman who entered school from 2003-06.

Here’s the Pac-12 rankings:

Stanford: 93
UCLA: 82
Washington: 74
Utah: 73
Oregon: 72
Colorado: 70
Arizona State: 67
Oregon State: 66
Arizona: 60
Washington State: 57
USC: 53
Cal: 44

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  • https://www.facebook.com/charles.bucket.3 Charlie Bucket

    hey!!! way to go, Brain Sergions!!!!

    over 50%!!!! WAY more than expected!!

    trOXans for LIFE!!! Bounce Pass Hadden supports you all 100%, until he DOESN’T!!!

    • LamontRaymond

      Too many idiots trying to go pro early.

  • ThaiMex

    Typical….simply typical. What do you expect from a bunch of special admits with those dreaded character issues. LIMBO U…where there’s always room to go LOWER (2nd to last…the school with NO CLASS!)
    fit un Dummy’s!

    • TrojanFamily

      preach on Summer’s Eve!

      • Trojan Hoarse

        With his mangina whistling in the breeze as he skydives in the nude….

  • jetman624

    Doesn’t this mean they simply have more athletes that leave school early and turn pro? Or are those not counted?

    • Stu Azole

      it means SC doesn’t recruit student-athletes.

  • Stu Azole

    yeah, well, that’s because, er, um, because SC’s really hard? Bwahahaha!

    • HeySucs

      I think Dillon Baxter could make the Jr. Pomees team.

  • 22

    Sobering news for at least USC and Cal. College has evolved into professional entertainment. The season has expanded from 10 to 13 games, games are scheduled on Thursdays and Fridays, and the number of bowl games has grow so that almost half of the schools play in post-season bowl games. These changes have placed greater demands on the presumed student athletes, in addition to the expectation of year-round conditioning programs. As much as I have enjoyed college football, I wouldn’t object to eliminating athletic scholarships and million dollar coaches and return to playing the game simply for the joy of the sport. Of course, this won’t happen as long as the universities can make money from football.

    • HeySucs

      22, have you heard Haden doing athlete/academics SUD promos on ESPN 710 Radio. What an embarrassment for SUC and Haden.

    • Ben Factor

      You don’t mean college, you mean college football.

      Cal is the best public university in the U.S., truly stellar in many departments and professional schools. While all the attention was on Carroll’s football teams, USC quietly ascended to the top 25.

      What exactly are you worried about–80 young men, most of whom aren’t competitive with the other students, but support the entire athletic department, and are coaxed along to get a shot at a college degree?

      USC has 15,000 undergraduates. Cal has 25,000. What’s the disaster you perceive?

    • gotroy22

      More likely the high cost of tuition will soon lead to an exodus to online universities and the eventual spinning off of the football and basketball programs into a minor league for the NFL and NBA.

  • HeySucs

    SUC: The Private University. A wonderful, A wonderful. Krak actadamicks.

  • trojandude207

    These are NCAA statistics? (statistics don’t lie, but liars write statistics) I have seen others that put the number much higher in recent years. And is this is broken down by sport? Are these all college dropouts or are student transfers accounted for? And finally what has happened lately? 2006 is the last year of these statistics.

    • Trojan Hoarse

      Leave it up to Wolf to toss the trolls a bone without context……

    • Golden Trojan

      Really, 6 year old data, no description of what it is. Football only, all athletics, certainly not all students? Troll bait, and they took it hook and all!

  • Trojan Hoarse

    Apparently, Mai-Text managed to confuse one of the sports reporters for the Deseret News in Utah:

    LOS ANGELES — The Utah football team travels to take on the Trojans of USC this Saturday in hopes of securing its first road conference win of the year. The Utes are reeling a bit after last week’s loss to Arizona but hope to rebound and take down a Trogan team they’ve matched up well with since joining the Pac-12.

    Torgan team?……………

    • HeySucs

      THore, SUC #11 out of twelve…..Your thoughts?….

      • Trojan Hoarse

        Stalker………..

  • max

    This is no surprise for an academic lightweight among Tier-1 research universities. You can’t spell suck without USC, and you cannot spell at all if you go there!

  • WEB_Dupree

    Honestly, though, is anyone truly upset about this?

    When I was a kid, I went to a high school that was a bit like a miniature USC in its love for its football team. (We were in northeast Indiana, so we had more in common with the football culture of Ohio and Michigan than the basketball culture of southern Indiana). Back then, it bothered me that the people in charge of the school seemed to place more importance on the athletic teams than academics (for instance, hiring former star athletes as teachers so they could coach, as opposed to hiring teachers who were actually good at teaching).

    But USC (like most of the other FBS schools, really) is not a single-purpose institution. A big university develops research in the laboratory and social sciences; the professional schools (and the undergrad programs, to some degree) serve a credentialling function; there are arts programs, for better or worse; and, of course, there are the teams that participate in what are basically developmental leagues for the NBA and NFL, which provide the rest of us with entertainment. Aside from historical circumstances, there really isn’t much reason for these teams to be affiliated with universities at all.

    This drives some people nuts. But if America prefers its development football league to be administered by colleges and the NCAA rather than by the NFL, that doesn’t bother me. I don’t expect these kids to be serious about academics. When I was in the film school, a lot of my classmates weren’t that serious about academics, either. They weren’t dumb jocks; they had come to USC for their own reasons, just like many of the football players. The guy in my class who probably had the most comedic talent was also the guy with the lowest SAT score.

    As a country, we’ve clearly decided that we like the idea of semi-professional football linked to universities. Twitter has revealed many of these players to be nearly illiterate, and we don’t really mind. Why should we pretend to care about stats like those above?

    • Stu Azole

      that’s nicely said…from a guy whose school is at the bottom. Clearly, Stanford and UCLA care about academics still. Coincidentally, both schools crush SC in football now too.

      • WEB_Dupree

        And Cal doesn’t care about academics?

        By the way, I have a UCLA degree, as well as a USC degree, so “my schools” are near the top and the bottom. I’d feel the same way if their places were reversed.

        • Stu Azole

          Clearly, Cal FOOTBALL doesn’t care about academics.

          • WEB_Dupree

            But should they care? Should any of us care whether DeSean Jackson learned something about The Iliad while he was at Cal? Should I care whether Marquise Lee ever gets his diploma? I don’t see why I should (which is just as well in Lee’s case, since he will surely leave as soon as he’s able; can’t say that I blame him). He’s there to try to earn his way into a spot in the NFL. I’m there at the games to be entertained. Academics doesn’t seem to have anything to do with it, either way.

          • Stu Azole

            see, here’s the thing – the two (winning and educating) aren’t mutually exclusive, You only have to look at Stanford and the MIGHTY BRUINS to see that today.

          • gotroy22

            Cal was trying to win back then with Aaron Rodgers. Now not so much.

      • sureshot32

        Perhaps ucla is ranked higher because they:
        A) make it easier on student athletes than regular students
        B) didn’t have a large number of guys who left early for the NFL
        C) a combination of A & B

      • Jethro G Sabbath

        Since when does one ten point home win qualify as crushing?

        • https://www.facebook.com/charles.bucket.3 Charlie Bucket

          when the opponent has DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR!!

          and ESPECIALLY when the opponent’s “DYNASTY” Includes ZERO BCS titles in an era when Champeeeships were actually won on the FIELD….not on paper through some drunk Bowling Magazine writer’s mind!!!!

          buhhhhhh-BAM!!!!!!

          • Jethro G Sabbath

            “Coincidentally, both schools crush SC in football now too”

            You sure read a lot into that

            And why so quick to speak for ol’ Stuey?
            Are you two quite close?

          • https://www.facebook.com/charles.bucket.3 Charlie Bucket

            on no……here we go again….

          • Jethro G Sabbath

            “If you try and use logic against trolls, you’re gonna have a bad time”
            - Charlie Bucket

          • https://www.facebook.com/charles.bucket.3 Charlie Bucket

            ugh…Jezro with your sleuthing abilities, you couldn’t tell that was another example of the boring drivel of Faux Bucket???

            hey remember the time Lawyer John tried to correct my use of the word drivel??? he insisted the proper word to use was Dribble. and i WASN’T talking about basketball!!!

          • Jethro G Sabbath

            Real or faux, it doesn’t matter.

            One thing is certain: those are the most poignant words ever to come from someone named Charlie Bucket.

          • https://www.facebook.com/charles.bucket.3 Charlie Bucket

            that’s ridiculous. anyone who’s ever seen Charlie and the Chocolate Factory knows a more poignant line came from Charlie Bucket when after, in his once chance, fails to find the Golden Ticket in a Wonka bar: “who wants all the chocolate anyway?”

  • TrojanFamily

    Cal is on the bottom here. Other than Stanford, Cal is the strongest academic institution in the Pac-12. So while these rates do matter, they are not a reflection of the school as a whole.

    But if you’d like to talk about the success of SAAS staff of each school, that would be on topic. Everything else is just a troll comment.

    • ThaiMex

      Numbers don’t lie….RAH RAH’s always have and always will. It doesn’t seem to matter to you knuckleheads if it’s U.S. World News, Fortune Magazine, The NCAA, or any other organization that exposes the calamity known as So Cal…..RAH RAH’s are the ULTIMATE Sunshine Pumpers and everyone else is/are…..BRUIN FANS with an agenda. PARANOIA RUNS DEEP (csny). Special Admits only magnify the shortcomings of the Best Little Whorehouse on Figueroa.
      sucks…always have…always will.
      fit UN torgans!

      • TrojanFamily

        Thus Spake Summer’s Eve.

      • Trojan Hoarse

        “Numbers don’t lie”…… spoken like a true politician……..you mean numbers like UCLA being the most penalized team (calamity) in the NCAA this year?…

        • Stu Azole

          LOL. Always concerned about the MIGHTY BRUINS. Stay on point here, THo.

          • Trojan Hoarse

            So then tell me, Dumb Azz….. what IS the point here?……to take Scotties information at face value?…. to believe this as the gospel?….what is the relevance of data that’s 7-10 years old?….. talk about leading sheep to their slaughter…….Wolf is too lazy to even attempt to interpret this information…..

          • Stu Azole

            the point is that Cal and SC have given up on academic standards (well, Cal gave up, SC never really had any) for a few football wins.

          • Trojan Hoarse

            Is THAT how you really interpret this report?…. “…given up on academic standards…”?…..Okaaaaay……

          • sureshot32

            Says the dude commenting on a USC site.

          • Trojan Hoarse

            Stu Azz-wipe is one of the bigger hypocrites on this blog…..

          • TrojanFamily

            is he a bigger hyprocite than Bucket? Thai-Mex? Oh wait……

          • Trojan Hoarse

            They are like 3 drops of water…. you can’t tell them apart from each other…Oh, wait……..

          • Joe Blow

            Both are @$$holes too.

    • Ben Factor

      TrojanFamily, your second sentence was my first thought, verbatim. Seeing Cal at the bottom jumps off the page, and merits further inquiry.

      Furthermore, the data is very stale. These student athletes enrolled TEN YEARS AGO. Curiosity alone would make me ask: Haden seems pretty interested in education, and I wonder if anything has changed since he replaced Garrett?

  • sureshot32

    Did this study just get here by Pony Express? This data is ridiculously old. I hope it wasn’t just released.

  • ProbationU

    Over on the Bruins site, interestingly run by a Cal grad, there is a paragraph on basketball graduation rates. UCLA is 10th, SC 11th again and Cal again bringing up the rear.

    So while it is interesting to calculate those that leave school early, perhaps applicable to SC football and UCLA basketball (Kevin Love,Russell Westbrook, Jordan Farmar, Jrue Holiday to name a few), it certainly does not carry over to many at SC basketball (OJ Mayo, Demar DeRozan) or any that I can recall at Cal.

    Cal is the preeminent public university in the US but clearly has failed its athletes here. Tarmac Haden and Max Nikias are looking to improve SC’s numbers as they have stated. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

  • Trojan Hoarse

    Now here is Jack Wang’s report from the UCLA blog. You may notice a little more effort from Jack:

    UCLA football graduation rate jumps to second in Pac-12

    Posted on October 24, 2013 by Jack Wang

    The NCAA released its latest graduation success rates this morning, and UCLA’s football numbers looked good.

    The Bruins’ jumped from a 62 percent graduation rate in the 2005 cohort — seventh in the Pac-12 — to 82 percent in the newest figures, only behind Stanford.

    These numbers, are, however, fairly old. The 2006 cohort accounts for freshmen that entered the school from 2003 to 2006. Some of players responsible for the numbers played for Rick Neuheisel, Jim Mora’s predecessor, but all started their careers under Karl Dorrell.

    You can see the full Pac-12 football rankings from 2005 and 2006 here. (Note: You can also see federal graduate rates there, but those don’t account for transfers.) The Cardinal lead the conference with a 93 percent graduation success rate, fifth-best among FBS schools. USC is second-to-last in the conference at 53 percent. Cal is last among FBS schools at a dismal 44 percent.

    The NCAA average for FBS football programs was 71 percent.

    UCLA’s basketball graduation rate is less encouraging. The Bruins graduated 60 percent of its 2006 cohort, ahead of only USC (55 percent) and Cal (38 percent). UCLA sat at 70 percent for its 2005 cohort.

  • Joe Blow

    Our academics are tougher!

  • ProbationU

    Surprised that Wolf didn’t say that he missed the graduation rates of the Paul Hackett era. Now those were the glory days.

  • Ted

    One more reason Kiffin had to go…