Murray discusses Boyle’s demotion

Brian Boyle got sent to Manchester of the AHL today. He has played in 14 games for the Kings this season, with one goal, zero assists, a minus-7 rating and 12 penalty minutes. Boyle’s problem, in the eyes of the coaches, is the same thing that drew criticism from the previous coaching staff: a perceived inability to play a consistent two-way game. Boyle’s season has been a series of fits and starts, and the Kings felt it was time to make a move, particularly with John Zeiler returning from his three-game suspension. Here’s what Terry Murray said about Boyle and his play this season…

MURRAY: “We need a lot more from him, yeah. He needs to go play and find the kind of game that is going to be there day in and day out in the National Hockey League. He had some good games, but obviously we need to be more consistent in the performance. We had a couple conversations here in the last two or three days. We watched video together. We watched some of his games, the last three games he played, and critiqued it. Then we spoke again this morning. In my mind, he has a very good idea and understanding of where I am with him and what he needs to give a big push to in his game when he’s playing in Manchester.

“The thing we know happens when a player goes down, he’s going to play in all situations. He’s going to be able to put his points up on the board, but I wanted to keep his focus on the areas of his game that I’m talking about with him. I reminded him of that, that even though you’re going to be able to do things playing in the American Hockey League, it’s very important that you keep this part of the game in your mind, that this is what I need to see the next time you come play for us.”

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  • AnotherAssetTrashed

    Dear Brian,

    Please forgo any attempt to develop your offensive talent. Essentially, emulate Ivannans and maybe these idiots will keep you in the line up.

    Thanks a lot Kings!

  • anthony

    TM is a backwards coach.
    He uses some of his most talented players on the bottom two lines. And he uses some of his garbage players on the top two lines.
    Brian Boyle is an offensive players. He proved himself in Manchester and at Boston U. Just look at his stats.
    He even proved himself last season in his brief call up when he scored 4 goals in 8 games.
    Then this 58 year old experienced coach drops him on the 4th line in favor of his beloved Michael Handzus.
    Boyke never played on the power play or in any other offensive situations.
    He did the same with Sully. He demoted him as well and as a result, Sully went scoreless in 13 games. THIRTEEN GAMES.
    Now he’s playing Simmonds on the 4th line with Ivanans. That’ll help his confidence.
    But on the other other hand, this 58 year old coach has no problem putting the Magnificent Moulson on the top line. With what result. ZERO.
    Then he puts Calder the Magnificent on the top line. With what result? Zero.
    First The Magnificent Moulson. Then Calder the Magnificent.
    In the process, Kopi and Brown produce nothing.
    In the interim he puts Sully on the top line for a week, and all three players become point per game players. Buts its not enough, If Sully doesn’t get a hat trick every game, he’s gone. Now Sully is playing with Armstrong. What great coaching.
    With this coach, everything that should be on top is at the bottom. And everything that should be at the bottom are on top.
    Screw this style and his experience.

  • Anonymous

    anthony you are a tool. Go Kings

  • jet

    Anthony – you should follow the leafs, the coaches really allow the forwards to pad their stats. I also recall you once wrote that Burke is so much better than DL. Enjoy and good luck my friend.

  • Quisp

    Boyle is a center. He’s fourth on the depth chart behind Kopitar, Handzus and Stoll (fifth if you count Moller as a center, which he is naturally). It’s not reasonable to expect him to get PP time at the expense of those three (or four) guys. It’s relatively easy (relative to putting up big numbers in the NHL) to score a lot in the NCAA, or in the AHL. It really is important for Boyle to play a consistent two-way defensively-responsible game, and part-and-parcel of that is using his size to his best advantage, i.e. to intimidate. I think he will figure this out. But if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. It won’t be the first time a big player didn’t play big, or a college star didn’t make it in the NHL.

  • MarkE

    Boyle hasn’t proved crap!! If he just tried to emulate Moller he would still be here. Moller plays a solid two-way game and if he makes a mistake its not for lack of effort. He hits more, plays better defensively and offensively. It not the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the Dog. Bolye should watch tape of Moller and he would know why he’s being sent down.

  • Anonymous

    Michael Handzus might be the kings MVP at the moment. All the little things he does away from the puck and during the most critical situations make him light years ahead of Boyle.

    Boyle needs to work on certain parts of his game, and like most rookies, can’t get enough time on the big club to do these things. He’ll go down to Manchester, get better like O’Sullivan had to, and return a better player.

  • Anonymous

    MarkE,

    I could not agree more. Boyle has proven nothing this year. If scoring in the NHL proved anything, Pavel Rosa would have been a superstar! If a quality player plays on the 4th line, he should be able to shine thru. Boyle has not shown a thing to say he deserves top line ice time. I am going to assume this 58 year old coach knows just a little bit more about hockey than we do. And considering how the team is already exceeding expectations, I think my assumption might be correct.

  • EJ

    Anthony, anthony, anthony,

    This is a season that the Kings were supposed to suffer near the bottom of the standings. Suprise, they’re playing some decent defensive hockey. This coach knows what he’s doing. As has been so very obvious for many months now, you do not. You do not know anything about hockey, coaching, development, or even being a fan.

  • mrk

    Anthony,

    Michal Hanzus has proven his worth with this team so far IMO. Much like Boyle, he’s been juggled, unlike Boyle, he’s proven himself and found his place in line w/ Frolov.

    Calder works well w/ Kopi’s line. His defensive play has been exceptional and his offensive play compliments Kopi as a passer and Brown as a shooter. His playing style is much like Smyth/Holmstrom. He parks on the crease and picks up garbage goals, hence a grinder.

    Sully is a true sniper, he’ll work well in the first line, but he’s effective w/ whatever line he’s in. We have 2 scoring lines w/ Kopi and Fro, having Sully out w/ our energy line will spread out our scoring oppurtunities IMO.

    Boyle w/ Brown/Kopi will probably work but is not necessary. Boyle is a shooter, he can’t work on the body and even if he learns to take the body, Brown already has that covered. As far as him being a scorer, this goes on the same idea of spreading our scoring oppurtunities if Boyle has been effective. He hasn’t really given this coaching staff a reason to be promoted, whereas Handzus did.

  • Eric K

    “TM is a backwards coach.
    He uses some of his most talented players on the bottom two lines. And he uses some of his garbage players on the top two lines.”
    You’re complaining about ONE talented player (Sully) and ONE “garbage” player (Calder). This is so typical of you, taking one case and using it to discredit everything Murray has done for this team.

    “Brian Boyle is an offensive players. He proved himself in Manchester and at Boston U. Just look at his stats.”
    Manchester and Boston are not LA. any NHL-caliber player should score in bunches in college. and we know Manchester is not a good indicator of how a player will perform in LA. your beloved Ersberg was not very good in Manchester, but he’s proving himself up here. sadly, the same can’t be said for Boyle.

    “He even proved himself last season in his brief call up when he scored 4 goals in 8 games.”
    Fabian Brunnstrom scored 3 in his first game. Last I checked, he has a -9 and has gone eight games without a goal. you’d probably be begging for him to be on the top line if he was a King.

    “Then this 58 year old experienced coach drops him on the 4th line in favor of his beloved Michael Handzus.”
    Handzus is much, much better than Boyle. you don’t even have an argument there. yet again, you’re still holding a bias from last year. sound familiar? (hint: you’re still judging a certain player by eight meaningless games last year.)

    “Boyle never played on the power play or in any other offensive situations.”
    You’re saying he’s a better PP option than Kopi, Brown, Sully, Fro, Zeus, Stoll, or Moller? you’re 0-for-7 on that one. and what on earth do you mean by “offensive situations”?

    “He did the same with Sully. He demoted him as well and as a result, Sully went scoreless in 13 games. THIRTEEN GAMES.”
    can you clear that up for me? Sully has not had a scoreless streak that long this season.

    “Now he’s playing Simmonds on the 4th line with Ivanans. That’ll help his confidence.”
    Or maybe it’s because it’s a defensive, checking line. and Simmonds is willing to throw the body around… much more willing than Boyle. plus, Simmonds has one point since October 20. who would you rather put on the 4th line?

    “But on the other other hand, this 58 year old coach has no problem putting the Magnificent Moulson on the top line. With what result. ZERO. Then he puts Calder the Magnificent on the top line. With what result? Zero. First The Magnificent Moulson. Then Calder the Magnificent.”
    Running out of nicknames, are we?

    “In the process, Kopi and Brown produce nothing.” Calder provides a defensive presence next to Kopi, who is clearly not a great defensive player. With Boyle up there, Kopi and Brown might score more, but they’d give up goals left and right.

    “In the interim he puts Sully on the top line for a week, and all three players become point per game players. Buts its not enough, If Sully doesn’t get a hat trick every game, he’s gone. Now Sully is playing with Armstrong. What great coaching.”
    Sully is proving that great players can succeed with anyone, as he has been superb lately. and yet, you ignore this and keep complaining. Kopi and Brown are the ones who need to step it up.

    “With this coach, everything that should be on top is at the bottom. And everything that should be at the bottom are on top.”
    Maybe you’re right. After all, the Kings were supposed to be at the bottom. And they’re not. BLAME MURRAY!

    “Screw this style and his experience.”
    Yeah, bring back the Magnificent Crawford! oh wait, that one’s already been used. twice.

  • Nick

    Excellent post Eric K.

    Boyle is never going to produce offensively on the 4th line — no one reasonably expects him to, either. All the coaching stuff (and sane, level-headed fans) want to see is a consistent effort from a bright young player. Boyle didn’t show it. Much like O’Sully in 06/07, he got sent down to work on his game because he couldn’t do the things needed to be done to have success at this level. It’s not like Boyle is never going to be heard from again. I mean, maybe he sulks or something and completely falls apart, but I doubt that. Boyle seems like a good kid that needs a kick in the pants. When he returns, hopefully Murray & co. will see some progress made on Boyle’s end.

  • Anonymous

    The only poroblem with Boyle is that he’s either hot or cold and there’s nothing in between… If nothing more he needs to be sent down to get back at least SOME consistancy in his game…

  • Vicarious

    Coach Murray thought well of Boyle because he spent a lot of time with Boyle before sending Boyle down. Murray wld not do that if he felt Boyle lacked NHL ability. I liked Boyle’s game but it seemed like he is still feeling his way out.

    With Moller, Moller cannot be sent down, so its a different situation. The Kings wld probably like Moller to work on his game against easier competition. Its just not an option.

    Simmonds is playing well but I suggest he may get flipped later too, just so he can work on aspects of his game with more minutes on the ice. Nothing against Simmonds–seems like a great kid; great player

    Doughty is a stud. Thank you, Brian Willsie, for playing hard through the end year and scoring that last goal which got the Kings the D man.

    Go Kings–over .500!

  • Anonymous

    Boyle will be fine.

    This is the best thing for him.

    In 4-8 weeks or so, he’ll be scoring and
    playing HIS game again, then he can
    come up and play on a SCORING line.

    He might help win some games for
    Manchester too, in the process.

    Both he and Purcell just needed
    another season for final polishing,
    and THIS season is it.

    Both will be NHL players, have no fear.
    ======================================================
    –Sergei Prozacutov

  • Anonymous

    You all make some great points in regards to Anthony’s ridiculous post.
    You can’t make it in today’s game without being a complete player…especially a guy who’s 6’6″. He needs to be physical when he’s out there and he wasn’t…especially his last game that he played.
    Hopefully he goes down with the right attitude, the same as Sully did and comes back to be the player we all think he could and should be.
    Vicarious..I agree with what you said except for the part about Moller. I think this kid shows he should be playing in the NHL. Even when he’s bnot scoring, he’s playing sound defensively. The goals will come soon enough. I love everything about his game.

  • mark4kings

    Eric K:
    Thanks for taking the time and effort to totally dis-robe KING ANTHONY’S ridiculous rant.
    I like to keep it simple:
    ANTHONY, YOU ARE A TOTAL MORON

  • Paul from Oxnard

    Guys, stop feeding the troll. Anthony only posts that junk cause he knows you all will trash him for it.

    As for Boyle, this kid needs to go the AHL and remember how to play his game. With his size and skill he should be dominating, especially in front of the net, no matter what line he’s on. Instead he plays tentative and at times looks lost out there. That’s not the coaches fault. That’s Brian Boyle’s fault. Hopefully he’ll figure it out finally and get back up to the Kings.

    With all that said, what the hell do the Kings see in Zeiler? He’s nothing more then Sean Avery without any skill. He just runs around and tries to hit people. Send him to the AHL where he belongs and call up one of the skilled forwards who are down there.

  • wavesinair

    love the post erik k. but i gotta say, anthony is far less toxic than a certain other person who has been conspicuously absent lately. in other words, all is well in king blog land.

  • Quisp

    wavesinair –

    I’m not sure who you are referring to, but I have often wondered if certain people post under several nicknames. I have noticed remarkable similarities between the (call it) writing style of one “absent” poster and that of a couple of “new” visitors to the site.

  • EAT THE RICH

    Rich,

    Where’s the filtering? Are personal attacks and conversations about other participants now allowed?

    In regards to this action, when did Boyle fail to do what was asked of him? He’s been juggled around early this season and there are a number of players getting a pass on inconsistent streaks. Moller was nearly invisible in the game against Chicago, Calder has been getting time because of his contract, as has Preissing. Sending Boyle back down doesn’t fit with the supposed goal of developing for the future, in my opinion. The player management has been really suspect this season and the decision making has little to do with individual performances than it does with contracts and roles.
    Getting sent down isn’t the end of the world, but most of the comments about this are WAY over the top in the criticism of Boyle.
    It’s a shame the Kings can’t commit to working this guy into his career. He’s got a ton of talent and I thought he looked great at times during his stint this year.
    I don’t agree with Murray’s lines at all, but it doesn’t mean he’s not effective. The Kings are around .500 and its better than I thought they’d be. Unfortunately, I think that with the resources he’s got the record could be better than “around” .500.

  • Steve in NH

    First of all, Brian Boyle went to Boston College not BU. Secondly, having watched Brian Boyle for several years in college and in Manchester I can sympathize with what TM and DL have seen in him. Here are a few of my observations:

    1) Brian is a good passer of the puck and unselfish.

    2) He is a big body in front of the net with a knack for making good tip-ins.

    3) He is a below average skater. The Kings need to put him on some kind of heavy skating program in the off season.

    4) He needs to play with more consistency and energy night in and night out.

    5) He needs more of a mean streak in him.

    I hope that Boyle can recognize some of this and work hard on making the necessary improvements. I am a Monarchs charter season ticket holder I am excited about having BB back and feel that he will give a tremendous boast to the inside strength of our power play (If they play him there). As for the development…. I will be watching closely.

  • Eric K

    wavesinair: i agree, and i know exactly what you mean.

    Anthony, as much as i disagree with you sometimes (and i was admittedly a little over the top yesterday), you’re at least passionate about the Kings and really want them to do well. it seems like (insert name here) and a couple others actually want to see us lose.

    in other words, let’s hope Boyle finds what he’s looking for in Manchester!