UCLA quarterback Asiantii Woulard decides to transfer out

UCLA quarterback Asiantii during the Bruins' spring practice Spaulding Field on April 15, 2015. (Hans Gutknecht/Staff)

UCLA quarterback Asiantii during the Bruins’ spring practice Spaulding Field on April 15, 2015. (Hans Gutknecht/Staff)

UCLA quarterback Asiantii Woulard has announced his decision to transfer out, and leaves the Bruins having never taken an in-game snap.

Woulard was a former former-star recruit in 2013, an Elite 11 MVP who looked like he had the potential to become Brett Hundley’s successor. However, the Florida native struggled to absorb the nuances of the position after his first preseason camp at Cal State San Bernardino.

Still, Woulard had the size (6-foot-3, 210 pounds) and upside to be an important part of the Bruins’ depth chart. The redshirt sophomore made significant strides in his most recent spring camp, and looked like the team’s second-best quarterback behind true freshman Josh Rosen.

His departure leaves the Rosen, a five-star recruit who enrolled in January, as the clear frontrunner to win the starting job this fall — but also leaves the depth chart looking perilously thin in the event of any injuries. Jerry Neuheisel, who backed up Hundley last season, and walk-on Mike Fafaul are the only other options at the position, and both technically remain in the competition for the No. 1 spot.

Head coach Jim Mora has said that he does not plan to officially name a starter until UCLA’s season opener against Virginia on Sept. 5, which kicks off at 12:30 p.m. at the Rose Bowl.

  • Tommy B Low Us

    I saw this and started laughing. Not because I wanted woulard to leave, but just because I know what this blog is about to turn into. Good luck woulard. I hope you find what you are looking for.

    • ProbationU

      It’s too bad he decided to transfer rather than compete for the job. Now we only have Jerry Neuheisel left. This is not going to help the team. Our staff needs to get working on another QB. They were late getting in on Brad Kaaya last year. We are woefully thin at QB.

      Maybe Aaron Sharp will move back to QB.

      • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

        How about Mr. Everything, Myles Jack?…..just kidding, of course….it’s potentially a difficult situation for UCLA….

        • ProbationU

          The line needs to block like there is no tomorrow. Neuheisel is fine as a fill in against mediocre teams, but not a solution.

          • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

            Say, PU….speaking of the UCLA OL, I have a question for you…..it’s a bit off topic, but what is the current status of Adrian Klemm?

          • ProbationU

            It’s been kept extremely quiet. No real info has been made public, just a hint that it should be resolved over the summer but nothing concrete.

          • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

            Yes, it’s been very strange, indeed…. but at least his paychecks are still rolling in, from what I’ve read……

        • MPPBruin

          Maybe he could pass the ball to himself.

      • Tommy B Low Us

        They might be able to utilize Devin fuller or even Stephen Johnson lll in a pinch. Of course, sharp could always move back to QB as well.

        • ProbationU

          My guess would be Sharp. But who knows. This is really bad news for the team.

          Does John Barnes have a son?

          • Tommy B Low Us

            I could not resist. I am thinking the best solution would be LR as the new QB. Then we could all be arm chair QBs and sit back with critiques.

          • ProbationU

            I think he now realizes that Rosen will be the starter and is just waiting for Rosen’s first bad game to tell everyone “I told you so” as if we aren’t aware that it was going to happen. But hey, that’s a few months off.

            The reality is that UCLA as a playoff team is highly unlikely. We will see how it rolls out, but we will have bumps in the road.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            The point was never that true freshmen should play but to play the best player at each position.

          • ProbationU

            Exactly.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            That makes the most sense. But hey, everyone has their own opinion.

          • Laker Rod

            You’re wrong and just don’t get it.

            The point is…if the best player is a “true frosh” then the position is NOT very good. Do you finally get it?

            I repeat…name me a true frosh QB who has done well. You can’t.

            If a coaching staff cannot develop players they are recruiting themselves then how good can they really be. They certainly have proven not to be championship material at this point.

            Better coaches have won conference championships or even national championships in less time.

            Carroll got Carson Palmer to perform at a Heisman level then after he left, Carroll didn’t go with one of his true frosh recruits. He went with Matt Leinart whom he recruited in 2000/1 and redshirted and had him start his redshirt soph year and that team went on to 12-1.

            And yeah…we’ll see how this rolls and you already seem to admit that we will have bumps in the road. Duh!!! Did USC have bumps in the road in 2003? They went 11-2 in 2002 and went 12-1 in 2003 with a new QB.

            So I repeat…what’s your expectation for 2015 for UCLA? I guarantee you it won’t be better than 10-3.

            As Jordan Payton said…whoever is the QB is like giving the keys to a Ferrari.

            Anybody dumb enough to give an 18 year old a keys to a Ferrari…..

            And just remember the point is that UCLA has many returning starters which Payton seems to think is a Ferrari. I repeat…we’ll see where this UCLA team finishes. They will NOT have a better record than 2014. No way.

            And you can’t use injuries as part of any excuse. If Rosen gets hurt…it will be the same. I told you so.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            The point is…if the best player is a “true frosh” then the position is NOT very good.

            That depends on the freshman. And that wasn’t the argument.

            Don’t pretend that you’re not trying to change your position without anyone noticing.

          • ProbationU

            Laker Rod is a contortionist.

          • Laker Rod

            That was the argument you moron. It’s what I said from the beginning and you know it.

            And we’re talking about QB’s here you idiot.

            If a true frosh is the best you have then you can’t be very good. Deal with it.

            I repeat…we’ll see what happens. I don’t hear you acting all confident in Josh Rosen Mr True Frosh Hero. Some Bruin fans are.

          • SonofWestwood

            LR, always appreciate your takes but I struggle to see value in making all these rigid 1:1 comparisons to Carroll/USC teams from 15-years ago. While we can use some of what USC accomplished 2001-09 as a reference, using the Rise and Fall of Troy as some kind of template would be as unproductive as it unwise.

            We are not USC. We do not recruit and enroll the same kids as USC and if we are wise, we will never attempt to. While we have lived in USC’s football shadow for most of the last 100-years, we do not want what they have, esp know how hollow and fleeting it really is. We are building our own special Way out of that shadow, and that takes time.

            What Pete Carroll did stands on its own (as does what he left behind). He recruited like a CFB black hole — sucking up top talent up and down the West Coast (and beyond) and employed simplified, pro schemes to exploit the multitudes of athletic mismatches.

            Since then, I’m sure you’ve noticed that (a) conference talent (and recruiting) is more distributed (see Oregon, Stanford, UCLA and fhe AZ schools), (b) USC’s vaunted pro scheme is dead and gone (worthless without all the hands-down positional advantages) and (c) UCLA has scored three decisive wins over USC with the current recruiting, development, offensive philosophies.

            We will destroy Sark’s Trojans again in November, a feat that will mean less and less each season without an at-long-last victory over Stanford and in in the Pac12 Championship.

            Josh Rosen is going to flat-out shock people this year. Not saying he won’t go out and make his mistakes. He will. What he will also do is take a school not known as a QB factory (another huge benefit Carroll walked into) to a level even higher than the newest Green Bay Packer did.

            Woulard (and for that matter Ortiz, Fitts, Milweard, Wysocki, Lucien and the rest) are a sure sign of a surging program shedding perfectly good talent like a growing viper sheds perfectly good skin. Expect more.

          • Laker Rod

            It’s more than just one comparison. Urban Meyer had a 3rd string “redshirt sophomore” at his disposal and he played quite well in the BCS championship game. He didn’t play a true frosh. You understand?

            There have been may success cases where even a “redshirt” frosh did well. No examples of true frosh unless you want to go back to Holliway who was a wishbone QB.

            And we shall see what happens in 2015. I don’t see UCLA beating USC this year.

            And you don’t even know how Pete Carroll won at USC. He didn’t win by getting all this “talent”. The “talent” was there before and was there after.

            Pete Carroll won because he got other guys to develop where one wouldn’t expect them to. Guys like Lofa Tatupu who was a Maine transfer. Jacob Rogers who was similar to that of what Connor McDermott is now. John Drake was a 2 star recruit. He was severely over weight but he managed that weight. Keniche Udeze was like 350 lbs also out of HS and he trimmed down and he was not a 5 star recruit like Ellis McCarthy was.

            PC also had his hits and misses with even 5 stars but since he got other guys to perform that’s all that mattered. In the end, during his incredible run he went did it this way:

            2002 – Carlson Palmer RSr
            2003 – Leinart RSo
            2004 – Leinart RJr
            2005 – Leinart RSr (how PC even get Leinart to stay?)
            2006 – Booty RJr
            2007 – Booty RSr
            2008 – Sanchez RJr

            So what happens when PC decides to go with a true frosh in Matt Barkley in 2009? PC had more 5 star recruits built within that 2009 team than all his previous years but yet that team fell to 5th place in the Pac Ten and went 9-4 which was a huge drop off as to where USC previously was.

          • ProbationU

            Seems to me that Santiago is a pretty nice guy and you don’t do yourself any favors by calling him a moron. That’s very immature.

            Now it looks like the moderator deleted your comment for using that term. You may need to play nicer from now on!

            And by the way, the SC QBs on that list haven’t exactly been NFL superstars. Palmer has done pretty well. Other than that, not so much. I am sure Pete Carroll planned on redshirting Matt Barkley but unexpectedly Mark Sanchez decided to turn pro and PC had to alter his plan. He felt that Barkley was a better option than Aaron Corp. Certainly you know better but there is no way for you to prove that SC would have had a better record with Corp than with Barkley. It’s all a hypothetical, but Corp didn’t exactly set the world on fire at Richmond. And, where is Aaron Corp now?

            Bruin fans love John Booty and so does Eric McNeal. SC was sliding down ever so slightly every year since 2005.

            I wish Woulard had developed better at UCLA than he did. I would have preferred a solid RS So QB to a True Freshman on paper. Unfortunately, one has to deal with the situation that exists, and play the person the staff feels gives the team the best chance to win. It looks like they think that is Josh Rosen. I hope he is as good as reported but none of us know. We will see come 9/5 and beyond.

            We are in the tough South division. I like UCLA’s chances as good as anyone else’s but a lot of things can happen during the course of the year. I could see UCLA going anywhere from 7-5 to 10-2 this year.

            You love to use Ohio State as an example. Can you name another team in the history of the game that has had 3 QBs like that? UCLA is not yet at the level of the traditional powers. Mora has the program on the rise and has done some nice things. Most of us want to see the program get to the next level and rise above the Donahue years.

          • Laker Rod

            So wait. You finally now agree with me that you would have preferred a RS So QB vs a true frosh? Oh brother.

            You’re missing the point again also. The coaching staff should have had that redshirt sophomore prepared and better than some true frosh. It would be different if this same coaching staff didn’t recruit Woulard but he was hand picked by them so no excuse there….right?

            And now you’re saying UCLA isn’t at the level of traditional powers? You seem to think UCLA is a Ferrari also? How many teams are like a Ferrari? 18 returning starters from a 10-3 team? Who has this coming back in addition to many other young talented players the Bruins have.

            And Mora doesn’t necessarily have the program on the rise. 2014 can still be considered a worse season than 2013. I think most would agree that we fell below expectations in many regards. Losing to Stanford at home and choking away a chance to play in the Pac-12 conference championship was a huge disappointment.

            And yeah…if most of us want to see the program get to the next level and rise above the Donahue years…then what is the way to do this?

            Donahue won in the years where he was playing consecutive 5th year senior QB’s. do you get it? Neuheisel was a walk on!

            So what happened when Donahue went with top rated QB Brett Johnson was still only a redshirt frosh. Team fell to 3-7-1. Oh brother.

            I repeat…all I said was that if UCLA wants to get back and go past and beyond what Donahue accomplished then Mora is going to need to start redshirting more guys and developing them and getting them to stay in order for UCLA to win at a more elite level. UCLA cannot do it by simply getting pure talent out of HS. It’s already proven 3 and done guys like Ellis McCarthy are NOT the solution. 5 stars are not the solution. Look at Priest Willis.

            UCLA needs to right mixture of what ever star guys…but those guys need to be comitted to the program. Mora needs to think more long term and have guys stay through their 5th year.

            Guys like Kenny Lacy and Poasi Moala are the answer. They will be redshirt sophomores and may not necessarily start even in 2015. It’s getting these guys to stay and develop. If they transfer out also or don’t develop in favor of new true frosh or younger guys then this tells you where the problem is…it’s the coaching.

          • ProbationU

            Twisting words again. I said it would have been better if Woulard had developed. It isn’t that I would automatically prefer a RS So. I would prefer an experienced player if he was a quality experienced player. Obviously, Woulard wasn’t or he would have stayed and competed.

            And then you want to pin the Ferrari comment on ME? That was a quote from Jordan Payton that you cited. Now THAT is twisting the discussion. Again, you fall short in the area of reading comprehension.

            It is not rocket science to prefer a deep program that develops players over 4 years. We are not there yet. We will have a freshman QB because he is the best we have to choose from It’s that simple. Yes, it would be better to have a more experienced player, but that experienced player would have to be better. We don’t have that situation currently. We have to work with what we have, not what we wish we had.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! That’s exactly what I said you moron. It would have been better if the coaches developed Woulard.

            Duh!! We are obviously not there yet.

            You have completely just backed off from your original statement of “play the best players regardless of class”. Duh!!! What coach wouldn’t. I repeat….but if a true frosh is the best you have….there you have it. Right?

            Bruin fans are so stupid. There are guys justifying Rosen by saying….oh the O line should be much better now….no more true freshmen. That’s their own words. LOL!!! Umm….the QB is a true frosh!

            You’re only as good as your weakest link.

            You ever think Woulard decided to leave because he sees all these Bruin fans rooting for Rosen anyhow? Think about it. You moron. You deserve this.

            This is exactly what I mean about stupid UCLA Bruin fans and also the beat writers.

          • ProbationU

            You should really slow yourself down before you hurt yourself…and work on reading comprehension and projecting opinions on to people that are incorrect. And no, it is not exactly what you said. You wanted Woulard to start and thought/think he was best, whether or not he was developed.

            I said, it would be better if Woulard had developed. Had he developed, he might have been the best player. Since he DIDN’T develop as a QB, he WAS NOT the best player. What about that can’t you understand? Rosen looks to be the best player of the bunch and therefore should be the starter. Perfectly consistent with all my posts. I wish Woulard was better and stayed at UCLA. I don’t like our QB depth.

            And lastly, I have not been as optimistic as many as UCLA would have a very inexperienced QB, whether it was Rosen, Woulard OR Neuheisel. That is a concern. NONE of them have an experience edge over the other. SO, PLAY THE BEST PLAYER!! And that looks to be Rosen.

            If you don’t understand the point, read it twice or three times if necessary.

          • Laker Rod

            There needs to clarification to what you’re saying. Woulard didn’t develop to what the coaches wanted. There is a difference. Woulard could have simply been more of a running QB until he continued to learn to be a better passer. The coaches don’t seem to want to go in this direction.

            The coaches seem to think Rosen is “physically” ready which I do not. I repeat…if Rosen was 6’4 225 right now and looked solid instead of the skinny frame stick that he looks like right now…it would be different.

            So yeah…I still think Woulard was the best option. And here is another thing for you. Some of these recent transfers are strange. Ortiz, Willis and Woulard leaving don’t really make sense if we’re just talking football. I’m starting to wonder if it’s academic related.

          • ProbationU

            I don’t know how much clearer I can make it for you. Most of the comments I have read regarding Woulard’s lack of development were about his lack ability to understand the offense and make the proper choices. It wasn’t about his physical ability. He had made some progress this Spring but apparently not enough. Either he figured it out on his own or he sat down with the coaches to get a read on where he stood. He chose to transfer which tells me he thinks he needs to go elsewhere to be a starter. Technically, you are also arguing for playing the best player, you just think that Woulard is better. It looks like the coaching staff does not agree.

            I understand that you are concerned that Rosen might get injured because he is a true freshman. Yet, you have never provided any study or reference that shows true freshman are injured at a higher rate than other classes. The 3 QB’s that come to my mind, Barkley, Goff and Kaaya did not get injured. Goff at Cal is thinner than Rosen. Barkley did get injured in his final game when he met Anthony Barr, but not as a true freshman. One could argue that Woulard might be more susceptible to injury if he was prone to run more and expose himself to more hits. We will never know It’s all a hypothetical.

            The recents transfers are about two things. We were probably over our numbers and needed a few to transfer out of the program. Also, guys like Willis and Ortiz are not happy being 2nd stringers. Kids like Combs and others buried deeper on the charts may be fine with playing very little or just playing special teams. Transfers are a result of having talented players on the roster and coming in. The Woulard transfer bothers me because it hurts our depth. But it is what it is.

          • Laker Rod

            Here is my rebuttal to you. How much do you think the 3rd string Ohio State QB know about the offense? This is Cory Paus all over again. Idiots saying “Paus knows the offense the best and he’s proven it in practice”. Oh brother…a live pas rush comes and Paus gets clobbered left and right.

            Go with the mobile QB. I’m sick of these stiffs and fragile QB’s which is exactly what Josh Rosen is.

            And all the transfers hurt out depth. Willis and Ortiz were ahead of certain guys and even Lucien was. Not sure what the heck is going on.

          • ProbationU

            They were also not 1st stringers and Mora politely showed them the door. They wanted more playing time and weren’t going to get it. Re watch the 2nd half of the Alamo Bowl and let me know how well Willis played. Lucien conflicted with the coaches on a number of occasions.

          • ProbationU

            Time to get over your hatred for Cory Paus. It’s been 15 years. Rosen will be the starter. Wait and see how he does on his own merit. Nobody knows how he will fare.

          • Laker Rod

            Your examples of Alabama are totally irrelevant. Despite the transfers they still win right? They had enough of what they needed…right? Can the same be said about UCLA? NO!

            And Paus is brought up because it’s history and there is no historical proof Rosen will do well. Deal with it.

          • ProbationU

            Well, unfortunately you can’t seem to understand why UCLA has had a whopping 4 transfers. Very simple. They were not going to see the field as much as they had hoped. It happens everywhere and particularly at good football schools like Alabama. So, it isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

            You are right about Paus. He is history. Unimportant and insignificant. Cory Paus has as much to do with Josh Rosen as you do with Jim Mora. No relation whatsoever. At the end of the day, you are just butt hurt that nobody on UCLA”s coaching staff agrees with your expert evaluations. The staff selected Paus over McEwan. Hundley over Brehaut. And now, Rosen over Woulard. It must be frustrating to never get it right.

            Deal with it.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Totally lame. This UCLA coaching staff for the most part has agreed with my expert evaluations you moron.

            Who has Mora relied on the most these past 3 years he’s been coach? He’s relied on ex Neuheisel players who were obviously “older” and upper classmen vs that of relying on younger players like KD and RN did. How have the teams fared? KD and RN were losers. Mora has a much better winning record.

            In 2012, did Mora rely heavily on true frosh? NO! If he did…he would have pushed Datone Jones aside for Ellis McCarthy. This is what idiot RN did when he pushed Cassius Marsh to start as a true frosh over redshirt senior David Carter. RN also pushed Owa Odighizuwa into the starting line up as a true frosh over a redshirt senior Reginald Stokes.

            Did Mora push Franklin aside? The two starting WR’s were Jerry Johnson RSr and Shaq Evans RJr. There were also the leading receivers.

            Who were the starting corner backs in 2012? Aaron Hester RSr and Sheldon Price Sr. These two guys were pummeled and criticized to no end by the idiotic UCLA fan base in past years. This same idiotic fan base pushed for both these guys as freshmen when they were under RN. Of course they were horrible so of course the stupid Bruin fans turned their backs on them and ripped them to shreds. Then these same stupid Bruin fans had egg all over their face when Mora started them and they did quite well. These two shut down Marquis Lee and Woods for the most part that game against USC.

            The idiot Bruin fans prior to the 2012 season were bragging about how we have a new coach in Mora and how he was going to clean house. LOL! Talk about dumb. Mora didn’t clean house. He used many former RN players. RN and KD didn’t do this. They tried to clean house and relied on so many young players like MoDrew as a true frosh. Craig Bragg as a redshirt frosh. He was the leader receiver you know.

            My only criticism of Mora is that he’s play true frosh when he didn’t even have to. They hardly even played. This has hurt the long term progress of the team obviously.

            And if Mora decides to go with Josh Rosen…we’ll see what happens…right? So if Rosen falters or get hurt…you know I will criticize Mora and say I told you so. But you idiots will do the same as usual and do the Monday morning QB act you always do and try to say….yeah…I knew it wasn’t a good idea to go with a true frosh. LOL!! Happens every year.

          • ProbationU

            “This UCLA coaching staff for the most part has agreed with my expert evaluations you moron.”

            Now that is priceless. Your are one funny dude, Laker Rod!

          • ProbationU

            It all depends on the 18 year old. If he has been on the track and trained, hand him the keys.

          • Laker Rod

            Well…so far Rosen has yet to play in any college game so it doesn’t appear to me he has been trained and learned on the track/field.

            But go ahead and keep arguing for your stupid view point. We’ll see what happens.

            I don’t see you bragging either that Rosen will do very well his true frosh year. You seriously believe Rosen is going to win at least 10 games for UCLA? Put up or shut up time. It’s not happening and you know it.

            And there is no point in you arguing that Woulard would not have won 10 games either. The whole point is that a redshirt sophomore at many other schools like USC/Matt Leinart or even a “redshirt” frosh has shown the ability to win 10 plus games and even lead their team to a conference championship. Do you get it?

            If a coaching staff can’t even develop a player they recruited themselves…what does this tell you? Why has the coaching staff been getting the type of QB recruits they have in the past then?

            Think about it your moron.

          • ProbationU

            It’s too bad you can’t try to make a point without insulting people. That’s why you already had one post deleted.

            Let me simplify. UCLA last won the NC 60 years ago and the Rose Bowl 30 years ago. Why would I expect ANY of the QB candidates that have no experience behind center to lead the Bruins to those heights?

            I have no expectations of Rosen because I have yet to see him play. All have said is that based upon what I have read, he is the best option of the 3 QBs that we had to choose from.

            Criticizing the staff over the lack of development of Woulard is not fair, IMO. Plenty of QBs don’t develop. That is why it is important to get a quality QB recruit every year. Because not every one of them develops. The fairer criticism is the lack of quality QB recruiting, which has been pretty bad since 1999, with 2 exceptions, Hundley and Rosen. We simply won’t become an elite program until that improves.

            I am not in fairy land. UCLA is in the toughest division in College Football and probably 5 of the 6 teams will be in the Top 25. I think we could win anywhere from 7-10 games. No matter which QB was or is chosen, we will have a QB with little to no experience. Go with the best player with the biggest upside. Expecting to win the PAC-12 and be a playoff team? What track record to UCLA have to expect that? Reach for it, play for it but we have a ways to go before we can expect it.

          • Laker Rod

            Your excuses are meaningless. Look at where Stanford is now. Look at Oregon. Go back to their historical program past.

          • ProbationU

            Excuses? It’s called the reality of the UCLA program.

            You need to work on how to read and how to make an intelligent point without insulting everyone else. It is a sign that you are immature, insecure and insignificant.

          • ProbationU

            I am sorry….I didn’t realize Oregon won the National Championship.

          • Laker Rod

            Oregon sure has won a lot more conference championships than UCLA recently. Funny how you always try to spin things.

          • ProbationU

            Because you often talk of winning National Championships. Oregon has been a better program for the last 15 years, no doubt.

            I think UCLA is trying to build a National Champion. It won’t be easy and as strong as Oregon and Stanford have been, they haven’t risen to that level. Mora has been on the job for 3 years. I compare where UCLA is to where UCLA was before he got here, not to where Oregon and Stanford are at the moment. Mora has made the program more desirable and if he leaves at some point, we should be attractive to a top coach.

          • Laker Rod

            No I don’t. I talk of “both” conference championships and national championships. Oregon is a consistent BCS contender though.

            There is no reason why UCLA cannot surpass Stanford. Both those teams anyhow are in the North. UCLA has to worry about the AZ schools and of course USC. It’s quite sad UCLA/Mora has allowed AZ State and AZ to win the South the last two years.

            And I wouldn’t count on a top coach from Dan Guerrerro. The athletic department and whoever calls the shots are a bunch of penny pincher tight wads who have no clue about how important football is to the entire athletic program. Did you see how much Oregon is generating in revenue and profit?

          • ProbationU

            This is not the PAC of Terry Donahue. Oregon has been building since 2000. A ton of money from Nike and top facilities. And yes, they have taken over the top spot in the league but have had trouble closing the ultimate prize.

            Stanford’s rise was much quicker. We will see if Shaw can maintain it.

            I am not that confident in Guerrero but Mora has transformed the program and Guerrero has spent the money on coaches recently. Now, making a good choice is an entirely different matter.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Jamelle Holieway as an example. Sorry but your arguement is flawed. Nice try though.

          • Laker Rod

            So you have to go back to 1985 and use a QB who was a pure running QB in a wishbone offense. Sorry…poor example.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            There is your example. If it happened once it can happen again.

          • Laker Rod

            It’s not an example. Rosen is not like Holieway. Idiot.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Too bad. It is a perfect example of a true fresh. Nice try though. Admit defeat and move along.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! Perfect in your mind. Nobody would agree with you. I repeat…idiot.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            The only clown college dim wit that would not agree is you. I’m done with you. Not worth my time or anyone else’s. Your as good as blocked anyway.

          • Laker Rod

            Lame as usual.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Here are 3 examples of freshman QBs that did really well. Jamelle Holieway led the Sooners to the national title as a true freshman in 1985, and Sam Bradford put up huge numbers as a redshirt in 2007. Michael Vick, Virginia Tech (1999):The redshirt freshman electrified college football, helping the Hokies to an undefeated regular season. This shows it can be done and opens the door for Rosen to do just fine.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! 3 examples. You have ZERO examples. Each one is flawed. Holieway was a wishbone QB. Is this what Josh Rosen does?

            Sam Bradford was a “redshirt” by your own admission. Doesn’t count. In addition, Bradford redshirted in 2006 when Stoops decided to go with a QB converted to WR and then back to QB senior who went on to lead OU to win the Big 12 conference championship. Go look it up. Bradford took over in 2007 beating out a highly touted true frosh also.

            And Michael Vick is another pure speed running QB which Rosen is not and also REDSHIRTED you moron. Look it up.

            You want some examples of true frosh? Those are guys like Matt Moore, Richard Brehaut, Ryan Fein, Drew Olson. Do you even know the difference? Apparently not.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            These are 3 examples of freshmen QBs who did well. Face it, woulard is gone. It all comes down to putting the best player on the field. Each player develops and is ready at different times. Really, what I would like to see is a QB playing that can make good decisions without throwing interceptions. By calling people morons, you only show your insecurity and stupidity. Seriously you argue like a trolgan.

          • Laker Rod

            Twisting the debate as usual. There are other “redshirt” frosh who have done well also you moron. Luck, Mariota, and Winston which I have brought up many times. We are talking “true” frosh. I repeat…you’re an idiot.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            You are the only one here that twists the debate. We all have seen that many time. Don’t kid yourself. What grade are you in? You must be in grade school.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Keep calling me an idiot. It is only a matter of time till the moderator blocks you out. Go riddance.

          • Laker Rod

            Ah….crying to the moderators now. Typical.

            Come up with some real examples and debate intelligently then. You deserve to be called what you have been called with your idiotic examples.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            You deserve to be blocked.

          • ProbationU

            He’s already blocked. That’s a big part of his problem.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            I am not sure why he is arguing this anyway. Defense win championships. They only need 1 field goal or a safety to win. As long as the defense holds the other team to zero points.

          • ProbationU

            He would argue about the sky being blue. The conference is vastly improved from the 80’s and it is much more difficult to win the conference. Back then, if you beat SC and Washington, you were pretty much in the Rose Bowl. It is a different world.

            This team could be really good or just mediocre. Nobody knows except Laker Rod!

          • Laker Rod

            Why? For calling you out for being an idiot. Only a dummy would think Ellis McCarthy redshirted. The “stupid” part was that you tried to argue that he did redshirt even “after” me telling you he did not. Idiot!

          • Tommy B Low Us

            You don’t know what you are talking about. I know one thing is for sure. You are about to get blocked for acting like a grade schooler.

          • Laker Rod

            Ha. Why on earth would you think Ellis McCarthy redshirted.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            I could not resist. I am thinking the best solution would be LR as the new QB. Then we could all be arm chair QBs and sit back with critiques.

            He would have to refuse, since he hasn’t redshirted, yet.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Hah! Too funny.

        • SonofWestwood

          Yep Sharp should move back. The WR move was 100% his idea. Now HE can show what “compete” really means. He should overtake Faful in SBDO.

          • ProbationU

            We are deep at WR and not at QB. But, if he can’t move ahead of Fafaul, then he is a WR. I hope he gives QB a shot.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            Sure he can. He has the training camp to come in and perfect his decision making. He might be better than Woulard anyway.

          • Tommy B Low Us

            SJ III is a baller too. It would be interesting to try him out at QB. He player that position in high school.

    • ProbationU

      Should be a long one from LR tonight!

      • Tommy B Low Us

        Better get your coffee and Dramamine. It might get nauseating.

        • ProbationU

          Laker Rod was pretty calm this evening. I think it has become clear that Rosen will become the starter and Neuheisel the #2. I don’t see why Woulard would transfer if that wasn’t the situation.

          • SonofWestwood

            Truth is, Woulard didn’t want to compete. Remember this is the same guy who committed, de-committed, recommitted then re-de-committed to USF before signing at UCLA.

            Woulard had a redshirt year (2013) plus a full Spring/Fall/Backup cycle (2014) to beat Jerry Neuheisel and with all his so-called athletic potential, he could’t manage that very doable feat. Says more about him than it does Mazzone.

            In the end, dude was exposed for what he most likely is: A wideout or cornerback with too much ego to adjust.

    • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

      (When I saw the headline, I couldn’t wait to post.)

  • xtracool32

    This is a huge blow! Yes Josh Rosen is the future, but what happens if he gets injured, or struggles. They have no quarterback depth. I love Jim mora, as the ucla football coach, but he has kind of screwed up with the quarterbacks heading into next season.

    • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

      Jerry Neuheisel would be next in line…….or Mike Fafaul…..whoever that is………

      • ProbationU

        Nice to see you 8 Krap. Maybe Matt Fink will have second thoughts now, although UCLA didn’t seem to be too high on him.

        • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

          Nice to see you, too, PU……maybe Bishop Gorman quarterback Tate Martell would consider attending UCLA, provided that he can qualify academically……

          • ProbationU

            Wish we could pick up another one this year but we may need to sign 2 next year, possibly a JC QB. This isn’t a good situation for the Bruins.

          • UCLA owns LA Football

            Maybe, just maybe, Mora has the situation under control and knows what he’s doing, but hasn’t shared it with you. Possible?

          • ProbationU

            Just don’t like the depth chart, do you?

            Mora probably told Woulard he was behind both Rosen and Neuheisel. Woulard decided to explore other options. But where does that leave the team if there is an injury? It is a concern.

          • UCLA owns LA Football

            Point taken. But I just don’t believe Mora was surprised that Woulard decided to xfer.

            There are QB’s still baling from other FB programs that will present recruiting opportunities for Mora and staff.

          • ProbationU

            Mora may have sat down with each player that has transferred and told them where they stand. A polite way of showing them the door. The others don’t concern me as much as losing this QB

          • Laker Rod

            Doesn’t make sense about “showing them the door”. You would think Justin Combs would have announced something prior to Ortiz, Willis, and Woulard. There are other players also who are on scholarship like Ahmad Harris where something would have been said previously.

            I don’t disagree though that discussions about where they stood took place and the player then decided to transfer.

            I really don’t know how other schools like Oregon and Ohio State are able to maintain certain back ups but UCLA can’t seem to.

          • ProbationU

            Showing them the door in that he laid out their options. If Mora is telling Woulard that he is actually in 3rd position behind Neuheisel, then it makes sense for Woulard to leave. I am not happy about it because it leaves the depth chart very thin. Some credit Mora with being honest with him so he has the option of transferring for a better opportunity. Either way, the result is the same.

            UCLA has simply not recruited enough QBs. That is one criticism I have of the Mora regime. Also, I don’t think recruits like Combs have the expectation of playing as much as guys like Willis and Lucien.

            As JPKB pointed out on another post, we may have had too many players and too few scholarships available. I think that is probably accurate.

          • MPPBruin

            Tough to avoid the gorilla that is the lack of QB recruiting. We need to bring at least one guy every year.

          • Laker Rod

            Slight correction. We need to bring in at least one “viable” guy every year. Mora has indeed gotten a QB each year…were they “legit” QB’s…you’ll have to ask yourself that. In addition, you’ll have to ask yourself…does this coaching staff including Taylor Mazzone know how to develop QB’s.

            RN 2011 Hundley, Neuheisel (grey shirt)
            2012 Fuller, Millweard
            2013 Asianti Woulard
            2014 Aaron Sharp

          • SonofWestwood

            AARON SHARP. Done.

          • UCLA owns LA Football

            Still one pancake short of a short stack. Mr Martell is a 2017 recruit, therefore ineligible for the 2015 and ’16 UCLA FB season.

            Your welcome Rah-Rah.

          • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

            We still haven’t heard of any potential succession candidates from YOU, Coach OLAF………and I guess you’re right… it’s way too early to begin thinking about 2017……

          • SonofWestwood

            Aaron Sharp.

      • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

        New season, new name?

        • USC Rah Rah’s Rule

          New profile pic, even!……..yes, with the advent of the newer / nicer USC blog, the moderator encouraged me to change my handle to something a little less obnoxious, so I caved in……

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            It was kind of funny. 🙂

  • c2blum

    another scholie becomes available, keep recruiting Coach Mora!

  • MPPBruin

    How much you want to bet he’s still steamed about Neuheisel getting the go against Texas last year after Hundley went down.

  • jameskatt

    If Asiantil Woulard wants any chance to go into the NFL, then transferring out is simply the best decision he could make. Now he has a chance to start and stand out elsewhere. Otherwise, if Josh Rosen gets the starting job, then Asiantil’s potential career and dreams are dead. So he made the best decision for himself. And I wish him the best.

    Neuheisel is perfectly fine at backup quarterback. He would do well should Rosen get injured. He has the experience and backing of the players. Certainly other players – such as Devin Fuller – have played quarterback before. So they can provide the 4th and 5th backups.

    But really, Josh is going to be the star for the next three years at least. He has the talent and skills.

    Sure, the injury bug can be a problem with any player. But you can’t play prevent defense. Any time you have a dominant player who will be there for a while, it will make recruiting more difficult at that position.

    • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

      Always on-point, james.

  • bruinbiochem06

    I would rather Woulard transfer now, no need to waste fall camp first team reps on someone that likely won’t stick around.

  • VB

    Think Jim Mora might change his mind about Everett Golson now?

  • VB

    We also have Aaron Sharp and Devin Fuller who are prior quarterbacks. If our depth chart needs help they can step in.

  • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

    He should have redshirted.

  • ProbationU

    Laker Rod just pointed out in another post that he has now lost faith in Jim Mora and Staff. And as he said, Laker Rod is seldom wrong.

  • keptycho

    I think Coach Mora mis-handled this. He should have at least told Woulard he would be the starter. Rosen obviously needs game experience. I don’t blame Asiantii for transferring out. Now we have a very precarious situation at the most important position.

    • ProbationU

      Do you think Mora should have lied to him? Just curious. The only QB that we have with any game experience is Neuheisel. If you are placing the most value on experience, then Neuheisel would be the guy. What Mora and staff has mishandled, IMO, is not having enough QB depth overall.

      • keptycho

        No, Mora should not have lied. I think Woulard would have been a better choice over Neuheisel. He has at least spent some time with the system as a red-shirt. That too is where I disagree with Mora. Now you are left with a couple of poor choices at QB. One guy has a lot of talent but zero game experience and the other guy with a little game experience but average talent. If Mora had promoted and encouraged Woulard, I think we would have had a much better team this year.

        • ProbationU

          Okay, so you are saying that you think Woulard is a better player than Rosen? It sounds as if either the staff believes that Rosen is well ahead of Woulard or that Woulard has seen that he is well behind. If not, why not hang in and compete for the job?

          He didn’t beat out Neuheisel last year and it makes me wonder if Jerry was still ahead of him. I agree that this leaves us very thin at QB and I strongly wish that Woulard had stayed. But there is stuff going on here that none of us on the outside can possibly know.

          • Laker Rod

            Here is a different way for you to think. It’s not about thinking Woulard “is” a better player than Rosen at this point.

            It’s about redshirt sophomore Woulard “SHOULD” be a better option at this point than “true frosh” Rosen. Do you FINALLY get it?

            What the heck have the UCLA coaches under the son of Mazzone who is the QB coach been doing? There are already grumblings that Taylor Mazzone only has a job because of Noel Mazzone. Do you get it? I think you actually do but choose to remain quiet like the usual dumb loyal Bruin fan.

            Did Brett Hundley really improve? His advancement from his redshirt sophomore year to redshirt junior year was quite disappointing. UCLA should have at least won the Pac-12 South. He had the chance to improve on his downfield passing and cut down on his sacks and throw the ball away earlier. Didn’t happen.

            And how does Ohio State or even Oregon get their QB’s to stay but UCLA can’t.

            And you wish he would have stayd? You and others better look at it this way. Why would a quarterback stay when I repeat….90% of the fan base is pulling for a different guy to start even prior to seeing them in any real live games.

            I’ll say it again. Jim Mora is a Del Harris. That’s it. He never won in the NFL and he hasn’t won anything at the college level either. And perhaps a different comparison is former Cal coach Tedford.

            Now don’t get me wrong. Jim Mora is certainly a better coach than Karl Dorrell and Rick Neuheisel…but then again…is that really saying much? Success is relative. It’s easy to follow RN and KD. Mora has not even matched Toledo’s best year yet or run

          • ProbationU

            At the end of the day, this is what you are upset about.

            According to Laker Rod: “I for one also believe Rosen will NOT be chosen to start because there is no evidence whatsover that Mora and Mazzone will start a true frosh QB like Rosen.”

            “If there was even a single hint that Rosen was going to be elevated then the coaches in my opinion would have at least reduced Fafaul’s role. They didn’t even do that.”

            It looks like Laker Rod was wrong. Now it is the fault of the Mazzones and Taylor Mazzone being the beneficiary of nepotism. Yes, everyone has read those complaints, Rod. It is nothing new. We will see how things develop with a larger sample size. It may be true. It may not be true. Yet, they both are more knowledgeable than you.

            Woulard had only played QB for 2 years in high school. He had been a WR. He was raw and has improved, just not enough to beat out Rosen and possibly not enough to beat out Neuheisel. And yet, you thought he was a better choice to start based upon your YouTube evaluation. Well, it looks like you might have been a little off. We will see where he goes and how he does, but history has shown that the vast majority of QBs that get beat out and transfer don’t do well at their next stop. Matt Moore who left UCLA did fairly well. Aaron Corp who you would have started over Barkley, not so much. And yes, we all know about Ohio State and their 3 QBs. Name another school in the history of the game to have 3 guys like that on the roster. It is a very rare situation. AND, you mention Oregon. Well, when Mariota got hurt in 2013, they lost. When their LT got hurt last year, they lost at home to Arizona.

            I am sure you will twist and turn and change your position once again as you can never admit that you were incorrect about something. Try not to throw your back out while doing so. In the meantime, we 90% that don’t know anything will be laughing as you continue to refine your position.

          • Laker Rod

            What is there to twist? Those are comments I made. The fact that Mora and staff are resolved to going with a true frosh reduces my lack of confidence in their ability to develop players they recruited themselves. Easy conclusion to reach right?

            There is no twisting.

          • ProbationU

            It means you originally trusted their judgment and now you don’t because of the decision. That’s a twist and now you believe yourself smarter than them.

          • Laker Rod

            Yup…I originally trusted their judgement and “development” of QB’s….I don’t anymore. You have a problem with that? I believe I have a good reason to doubt them.

            And you’re an idiot. Those coaches got redshirt freshmen like Luck, Mariota, and Winston to perform well. Carroll developed redshirt sophomore Matt Leinart. All these guys didn’t have previous playing experience prior to getting the starting job.

            The UCLA coaches had a chance to develop Asianti Woulard but could not. They are the ones that recruited him.

            Do you get any of this? Dang…you’re such an idiot.

          • ProbationU

            Again with the insults. What the coaches didn’t do was recruit enough depth at QB. Not every player, no matter how highly regarded will develop. Woulard came in having been a WR prior to being a QB, so not much experience. Where I fault the staff is not getting a quality QB in last year’s recruiting class, like a Brad Kaaya. There was no plan B if Woulard didn’t develop.

          • Laker Rod

            No you are incorrect. Mora has recruited a QB in every single class. It just has not been the right QB and they have not developed them properly.

            Why would they get Sharp if they had so much trust in Woulard. Or maybe they had so much faith in Rosen committing to UCLA…they just picked whomever in 2014?

            You don’t seem too pleased either.

          • ProbationU

            If you read more carefully, I mentioned getting a “quality” QB and using Brad Kaaya as an example. There is no actual disagreement here. Read my last 2 sentences again and perhaps it will sink in better.

            It was known that Devin Fuller would not be a QB with Brett Hundley on the roster. TJ Millweard was simply not of the “quality” that we needed. Neither is Aaron Sharp. We need to recruit a “quality” QB every year because some of them won’t develop, like Woulard.

          • Laker Rod

            Man…you said Mora did not recruit enough. Now you try to spin it again? Is it really that hard for you to admit you’re wrong?

            You’re just repeating what I already tried to tell you related to “quality”.

          • ProbationU

            Read it again. You truly have comprehension issues and this is on something we agree on. Man, you love to argue.

          • SonofWestwood

            So what you’re REALLY mad about is Dell Harris. Gotcha.

            Now, let me help you out:

            Dell Harris brought a championship franchise into the depths of mediocrity. Jim Mora is bringing a mediocre program toward the heights of winning championships.

            We good?

          • ProbationU

            And there is another guy that never won anything in the NFL. Nick Saban. And Pete Carroll before he went to SC.

          • Laker Rod

            But Saban has won a lot at the college level. Mora?

            What were your thoughts on the melt down between Mora and Ulbrich last year….was it against Oregon?

          • ProbationU

            Mora is not Saban. But using NFL record as an example is silly. Different game. Mora has plenty left to prove. But he knows how to evaluate a QB better than you.

          • Laker Rod

            I didn’t use NFL record. All I said is that Mora didn’t win at the NFL level either. Doesn’t matter Saban didn’t…he’s won at the college level.

            And these comparisons to Mora are so utterly stupid.

            Let’s put it this way. There are certainly enough college coaches who know how to “develop” their players better than Mora and the Mazzones. Well?

            And yes…Mora has plenty left to prove so for now he’s simply a Del Harris. He has never shown to be anything better.

          • SonofWestwood

            The Oregon sideline meltdown was not our finest moment. Moving on.

            Nick Saban’s all time CFB win pct = .755

            Jim Mora’s? .725

            Thoughts?

          • Laker Rod

            Is this really the way you’re going to spin it? Saban how many championships vs Mora.

            Thoughts?

          • SonofWestwood

            LR, you said Saban has won “a lot” then asked about Mora. I get you the data then you call it “spin”.

            Saban has 20+Y in CFB, Mora has 3.5. That’s what we have to go on. Quit arguing with the facts.

          • Laker Rod

            You know what I was referring to. It’s amazing how you try and spin this related to Mora and Saban comparing just overall winning percentage.

            You do realize Saban took over a Bama program that was in the dumps. In fact, UCLA beat Bama 2 years in a row in 2000 and 2001.

            And Saban started off at Toledo and then Michigan State. They were not exactly power houses in football. They didn’t have a tradition of 7 bow wins in a row and multiple Rose Bowl wins.

            Quit spinning the facts.

          • ProbationU

            Alabama is a traditional college football power, so even when in the dumps it is a more attractive job and an easier place to recruit to than UCLA. Comparing UCLA football to Alabama football is like comparing UCLA basketball to Alabama basketball. There IS no comparison.

            And you did mention NFL records as you said that Mora didn’t win in the NFL. Well neither did Saban and Carroll and they performed very well at the college level. We should be so lucky if Mora turns out to be 80% as good as those guys.

          • Laker Rod

            Yes…Bama is a traditional power but please remember where they were in the early 2000’s and where UCLA was.

            Bama made to get the right coach. They meant business. What does UCLA do? Penny pinch as usual.

            They go with Karl Dorrell who had ties with the program with no head coaching experience. Then they go with a guy who had ties to the program but showed to have ruined two previous programs in Colorado and UW. Both were once fairly good programs too.

            Even Mora wasn’t a great hire so to speak. Things could have gone either way. The problem with UCLA and with its coaches is that nobody wants to be there very long even after having minimal success. Mora is a first. Many would have bolted.

            And you’re right. We should consider ourselves lucky if Mora turns out to be 80%. You think the rest of the Bruin fans will be happy?

            Can we ever get over this hump? UCLA used to win conference championships every so often. It has not won in close to 20 years now. 1998 was the last one.

          • ProbationU

            Bama is a traditional power and easier to attract a top coach. They have facilities and history, even though they were down at the time. They simply needed to plug in the right coach. They found him.

            Guerrero chose Dorrell over Mike Riley who wanted the job. I think Riley would have done a much better job. That was a huge mistake by the AD.

            UCLA lucked into Mora. Who else valued the job? I don’t recall hearing any big names get excited about a dormant program with lousy facilities. Mora saw UCLA as a sleeping giant but the rebuilding job at UCLA was and is more difficult than rebuilding at Alabama. Mora has done a great job and I am not just talking about the improvement in the record. I covered that in the “culture change” which you discarded as stupid. Well, we are getting a new $50 million football facility. We improved our 80 yard practice field that was injuring players. And many other things he has done within the Athletic Department. So, I give him a lot of credit for that.

            So, we will see if and when we get fully over the hump. The competition is much stiffer and deeper than in the PAC-10 in the Donahue era. That being said, I like our chances as well as any other team in the South. But, it is a tough division.

          • Laker Rod

            Bama paid for a top coach. 5 million per year for Saban? That was unheard of when they hired him. I knew right then and there that Bama meant business and would soon be back on top.

            It’s more than the facilities also. Whenever the football team needs something…it gets done. The other programs take a back seat. At UCLA…the impression is the football gets no special treatment. If an assistant coach needs something…it’s wait there. This is why assistants leave frequently it seems.

            In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with putting top priority on your money makers (football and men’s basketball). It’s “business” not “fairness” or “political correctness”. This is “culture”

            So I repeat…you are dead wrong about how Mora is winning based on some “culture” change. That’s total nonsense. How UCLA has gone from 6-6 and 4-8 type seasons to 10-3 type seasons is simply because KD and RN and his staff were a bunch idiots. I’ll go over this with which I have in the past:

            1. KD was an inexperienced coach who hired Steve Axman as his OC his first year and tried to run the West Coast Offense. Dumb. Nothing to do with culture.

            2. KD blamed the Toledo players for the supposed “bad” teams which went 7-4 and 8-5 in 2001 and 2002. Eric Bienemy totally forgets about Manny White and plays MoDrew his own recruit over White and MoDrew fumbled the very first time he touched the ball. He also botched the kick off return in the closing minutes where UCLA lost 14-16. Nothing to do with culture…just bad decisions where he started to lose the players. No credibility.

            3. Revolving door with assistant coaches. Always blaming the problems on his assistants so he gets rid of them in place of new ones and an entire new learning curve begins for the coaches and players. Nothing to do with “culture”.

            4. Rick Neuheisel takes over and he does the same thing of blaming the past KD players and tries to give every new kid a shot to do something. He played so many true frosh from 2008 thru 2010. Nothing to do with “culture”.

            5. Rick Neuheisel…no priority on offensive line which is how he destroyed two previous programs. Not “culture”.

            6. Decides to go to the pistol offense and have Norm Chow run it. Has nothing to do with “culture”.

            7. RN tries to always play a rusty coming off injury Kevin Prince. Dumb. Nothing to do with “culture”.

            There…did I prove it to you?

            Culture change doesn’t happen over night. A coach has to establish credibility first and set and demand a new tone for the program. This is where the possible change occurs. Mora has to demand more from the Athletic Department. KD nor RN could really demand more since they were not winning consistently.

            Mora has to set the tone also that 10-3 was NOT a success last year but instead a FAILURE. That is “culture” change.

          • ProbationU

            Have you not seen the $$ now spent on ALL the coaches under Mora? Huge increase. That is culture change.

            Guerrero wouldn’t repair the practice field. Mira got it done. Culture change.

            $50 million Wasserman football facility getting built. Culture change.

            All signs of culture change and a program on the rise. Mora having to DRAG Guerrero into the 21st century. And there is still work to do, but Mora and Josh Rebholz are making progress.

          • Laker Rod

            Yeah pretty good…but let’s continue.

            Del Harris had Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, etc., etc. From 1996 thru 1999 he couldn’t get over the hump. Harris fired. Jackson takes over they win it all in his first year.

            Pro basketball is obviously different than college football but the analogy of the two coaches is that both took mediocre teams and rose them to a certain level. That’s it. We all know the destiny of Del Harris. We don’t know yet for Mora.

            You may feel Mora can get UCLA to an elite level.

            I’ll simply be happy if Mora can get UCLA to at least where Donahue had the program in the early 80’s up to 88. Those included Rose Bowl wins. It’s something no coach has ever replicated since Donahue. The last UCLA Rose Bowl win was 1986. 30 freakin’ years! 30!!! It’s their home field too! What an insult!

          • SonofWestwood

            Fair enough but why must a guy with 3.5y on the job bear the cross for his program’s 30y old record of misery? Do your bosses manage you with 30y old stats too?

            If I were Mora, I’d tell any boss, any Bruin Football supporter with a gripe about where we are vs. where we were to go find my replacement or STFU and let the coach coach. No disrespect, but Terry Donahue and Bob Toledo’s teams wouldn’t last a HALF with the killers on Jim Mora’s squads.

            Last, if you’re buying one CENT into Sarkisian’s hyped up paper tigers at USC, the only real attention you’ve been paying is to ESPN.

            Seriously. Is USC actually ‘better’ than they were last year, the same or worse? Who exactly are they gonna beat people WITH? Sark has a 7-win team on hand in 2015 as — save a pair of missed FG’s at Stanford and AZ — Sark had a 7-win on hand team in 2014. And that was with better talent.

            7WS loses to every team that his him in the mouth. He’s butter soft, his game plans stink and Trojan fans know it. USC doesn’t bring one THING UCLA has to fear to the table right now. Sark’s gimmick offense and Wilcox’s silly man free schemes will be turned inside out. It’s going to be a ROUT.

            Inside, even THEY know it.

          • ProbationU

            Remember, Son of Westwood, Laker Rod is the guy that wanted to sit Brett Hundley as a RS Freshman and play Brehaut or Prince ahead of him. He has a unique set of views.

          • SonofWestwood

            Right, yes that explains it. I mean it takes all types I guess, but it reads like he means well.

          • Laker Rod

            I didn’t say USC would be better but there chances of beating UCLA are good. The game is at the coliseum this year and USC will have a returning starting QB in Kessler who are trust way more than true frosh Rosen. It’s as simple as that.

            We’ll see what happens. A far more talented UCLA team in 2001 got clobbered by a USC team which wasn’t very good either. This 2001 team was once ranked No 1 that season.

          • Laker Rod

            Here is more to your response. I believe Harbaugh in his 3rd year took a far worse Stanford program further than what Mora has so far. I don’t think Mora would say some of the things you’re saying either. It goes with the territory.

            And the comparison of Mora to that of Donahue and Toledo are dumb. The size and ability of an athlete today is much better than in the past…it’s obvious. This is the case across the board. Mora didn’t have anything to do with this over Donahue individually. Come on man.

            One must be evaluated during his era. Donahue actually had some advantages back then that Toledo, KD, RN, and Mora don’t have. This is the form of 85 limited scholarships. Both USC and UCLA had much better advantages prior to the passing of Title IX.

            You noticed how the playing field has leveled out within the conference with all men’s sports? Look at where Oregon has taken their programs now vs what they used to do in the past.

            And for the record…I’m not a big Sarkisian fan. He has a lot to prove also. However…I’ll still trust Kessler over true frosh Rosen…especially when the game is at the Coliseum.

  • 92104bruinfan

    Disappointing but not surprising. Jack and others mentioned the strong probability of Woulard transferring after spring ball if he didn’t come out tied with or ahead of Rosen. Best wishes to AW. Neuheisel is fine as a backup but we’re just now awaiting an “we’re all in on Rosen” announcement from Mora in fall camp as a mere formality. Based on the high number of returning starters, I do think this squad will have an outside shot at one of the 4 playoff spots depending on how fast Rosen grasps the offense the first 3 games and if everyone stays relatively healthy, especially the D-line. Go Bruins!

  • Laker Rod

    Ohio State had a competition too to see who their starter would be. Heck..the 3rd string guy eventually took over and won them a title. Newsflash…he was a redshirt sophomore also…not a true frosh!

  • Laker Rod

    Ohio State had a competition too to see who their starter would be. Heck..the 3rd string guy eventually took over and won them a title. Newsflash…he was a redshirt sophomore also…not a true frosh!