Damian Alloway becomes latest four-star receiver to pick UCLA

Damian Alloway (right) is the latest four-star receiver to commit to the Bruins' 2016 class. The Summit High star had over 1,600 all-purpose yards as a senior. (John Valenzuela/Staff)

Damian Alloway (right) is the latest four-star receiver to commit to the Bruins’ 2016 class. The Summit High star had over 1,600 all-purpose yards as a senior. (John Valenzuela/Staff)

Four-star receiver Damian Alloway committed to UCLA on Friday morning, giving the Bruins another dynamic target in the class of 2016.

His decision, announced through a Bleacher Report video, moved UCLA’s recruiting class to No. 10 in the country, according to both Rivals and Scout. It also ranks first in the Pac-12, ahead of Stanford and Oregon.

The former Fontana (Calif.) Summit star is the second top-20 receiver to pick UCLA, according to Rivals rankings, joining Westlake product Theo Howard. Howards is rated No. 5 at his position and has already enrolled in school.

Alloway was named to the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin All-Area team in each of the last two seasons, and recorded 1,655 all-purpose yards as a senior. His 55 catches turned into 23 touchdowns. He also led his team with six interceptions.

His commitment helps fill an area of need for UCLA, which is losing four of its top five pass-catchers in 2015. Those departures include senior Jordan Payton, the program’s career receptions leader, and Thomas Duarte, who led the team with 10 touchdown catches.

The Bruins also have commitments from Demetric Felton, whom Rivals ranks as the No. 23 athlete in the country, and top-40 receivers in Darian Owens and Dymond Lee.

  • EncinitasBruin

    This class is looking really strong. With 5 days to go till NSD:

    E$PN – USC #17 (down three spots), UCLA #20
    Sc0ut – UCLA #10, USC #25
    Riv@ls – UCLA #10 , USC #30
    247/C8S – UCLA #13 , USC #20

    If we can land Mique Suarez and Tagaloa and/or Asiasi, we should finish in the top 10 of every major recruiting site except perhaps E$PN. If so, wait for the predictable “avg stars-per-player matter more than ranking” argument from the Trojans…. USC currently has 13 commits, we have 23.

    • Laker Rod

      Boss Tagaloa should be UCLA’s No 1 priority and we need two more offensive linemen! This recruiting class is FAILURE the way it looks now. WE NEED LINEMEN.

      The way team recruit rankings should work is that they should put more heavy emphasis on quarterback and linemen. In addition, if you take multiple QB’s that should count against a team since two in the same class cannot possibly pan out.

      Also…taking 4 WR’s in one class is not a good thing. UCLA is way over focusing on wide receivers this class. I don’t care we didn’t get any last year due to Broadus deciding not to play football. We still could get by with 2 WR’s in this class.

      And Mique Juarez is not somebody who is a high priority in my opinion. LB’s mean nothing if the D line can’t get the job done. Look at what happened to UCLA this past year. Jack was never a difference maker. Pass rushing LB’s are good like Barr but we already have Lucier-South and we also go Breland Brandt who and a couple of other DE types.

      Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind getting Juarez but Tagaloa is way higher priority.

      • 88 Straight

        Good old Mr. Doom and Gloom. Just can’t wait until signing day to claim the sky is falling. Ever figure out how UCLA would have been able to admit Vernon Adams into Grad School? Clueless.

        • Laker Rod

          Lame. Now you’re trying to say UCLA can’t bring in any graduate transfers due to academics but they did so with Malcom Bunche in 2014 and now Raulerson in 2016. Michigan has tough academics too but they brought in a graduate transfer QB. You’re the CLUELESS one.

          • 88 Straight

            READING COMPREHENSION! I didn’t say they couldn’t bring in any. READ AGAIN! I said that Vernon Adams wouldn’t qualify. Neither would you! I pointed out in an earlier post about Bunche and we don’t yet know if Raulerson will be admitted, but he probably will. VERNON ADAMS would not have made it. AND, if you are relying on graduate transfers to fill your most important position, it means you aren’t recruiting and developing QBs properly within your system.

            Proper recruiting and development leads to having a player in the system that can do the job.

          • Laker Rod

            But why focus on Vernon Adams dummy? UCLA could have gone after a different graduate transfer QB right?

            And you have just made a fool of yourself yet again. Alabama took a graduate transfer Coker and went with him as a starter. They decided to redshirt their 5 star incoming true frosh QB Blake Barnett. You’re trying to say they are not recruiting and developing QB’s properly?

            Oregon went with Vernon Adams this year because it was their best option vs playing some true frosh QB or somebody younger they had. You’re trying to tell me Oregon has problems running a good offense?

            In the mean time you have programs like Oregon State who like to play true frosh QB’s themselves and the same with Colorado. Look at who’s at the bottom.

            Why does all this have to be explained to you. If you had half a brain you should be able to figure it out on your own. Oh that’s right..you don’t even have half a brain.

          • 88 Straight

            You were the one focused on Vernon Adams, virgin! Simply put, you wanted anyone but Rosen. Receivers. Transfers. The water out.

          • Laker Rod

            Trying to change the story. Adams was one example and you know it. You obviously have no response related to pursuing more graduate transfers. Dummy

          • 88 Straight

            Sure it was. You have nothing. You get exposed and run. Harped on Adams all year! What a DB!

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!!. You have nothing. I repeat….Mora/UCLA could have got a different graduate transfer like the one Michigan took or Bama took or Georgia took. They were plenty out there. Those schools found their graduate transfer QB and many did well. But nope…we have Mora would once thought we don’t need mercenaries. LOL!!! He rather go with a true frosh like yourself. He thinks 5 star ratings are more important.

            May I remind you that these graduate transfers are REJECTS from their old school but they did way better than a true frosh you clueless knuckleheads boasted about thinking he was going to be some All Conference (not freshman AA) and go 10-2 and win a conference championship. LOL!!! HA HA HA!. How can anybody be so pea brained.

            Then when things don’t go right…the schmucks like you try to brag about Rosen winning “FRESHMAN” honors. LOL!!!! Redmond was a freshman all america also. Same with Jack. What does UCLA have to show for it? NOTHING.

            How many “FRESHMAN” all americas does Stanford have? NONE. Because they are NOT stupid enough to have to play freshman in such large roles. Instead they develop those guys first and allow the older bigger boys to take care of business and they are winning the big time awards. Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            Some more dime-store criticism from the guy that can’t analyze a QB. Aren’t you the guy that thinks UCLA needed a dual-threat QB? Also, what makes you think that Jake Rudock would want to come all the way to UCLA versus going to Michigan to run a much more similar offense to the one he ran at Iowa. The same holds true for Lambert that went to Georgia. You are a few cards short of a full deck. It wasn’t happening. Both of these guys are pocket passers with experience in a pro-style offense. Why would they take a chance on coming all the way out to the West Coast to play in a completely brand new system? You make zero sense.

            So, that leaves Everett Golson. Now, Golson was more of a fit on the surface. However, he was tossed out of Notre Dame for academic fraud or cheating. Does that sound like the type of recruit that would excite Graduate Admissions at UCLA? UCLA simply is not Florida State, and that is a compliment to UCLA. So tell me, who did you want?

            AND, I will repeat this again. If a program needs to rely on a graduate transfer QB, it means that they ave not recruited and developed their QBs. In the case of Michigan, that makes sense as it was Harbaugh’s 1st year. I doubt you will se Harbaugh have to take that route again. How did it work out at Georgia? Mark Richt got fired. How did it work out at FSU? They got beat soundly by Houston in the bowl game. What did UCLA do? Josh Rosen got a year’s worth of experience. He may or may not be ready for the NFL in 2 years. However, had he redshirted this year, do you think Devon Modster would have committed to UCLA this year? Not likely.

          • Laker Rod

            All you do is make up excuses and you are unwilling to think outside the box. All I did was provide “examples”. You stubbornly refuse to accept the possibility of going the graduate transfer route for QB for UCLA. You are a stubborn mule. Admit it.

          • 88 Straight

            Since NONE of your examples apply, why can’t you come up with even ONE that Mora should have pursued? Because you have nothing! Your entire opinion is based upon anyone other than Rosen, including Devin Fuller who hasn’t played the position in over 3 years! Or Aaron Sharpe. You have no reasonable alternative. ZERO.

            It’s easy to find fault. Offering a solution is another matter. Total fail again.

          • Laker Rod

            You’re such a tool. If I suggested UCLA getting a graduate transfer offensive lineman you would have said your same BS but yet UCLA found Raulerson. There was the ND transfer QB whom UCLA could have taken a chance on. There were other options.

            Bottom line…Mora and yourself can’t think ahead and resort to a true freshman QB. Look at what you got. LOL!! 8-5. Rosen totally chokes against USC. CHOKE!!!! CHOKE!!! Rosen played just like a true freshman. LOL!!! Take that and shove it down your throat. Eat crow. YOU GOT CLOBBERED. YOU GOT HUMILIATED AND YOU KNOW IT.

          • 88 Straight

            Here is what you have proven:
            1. You have no answers. You can’t name one graduate transfer QB that Mora should have recruited. If there were other options name them. What have you come up with? Neuheisel. Woulard. Fuller. Sharpe. An unnamed graduate transfer…originally Vernon Adams but you got exposed by not thinking that one through. So, nada! You are simply a whiny little troll that cannot offer a single realistic alternative. You suffer from ABR syndrome…Anybody But Rosen!

            2. You call an actually competitor a choker. You have never competed in your life. Rosen is much more than you have ever been or ever will be. You just try to make yourself seem important by putting down a young mat has actually accomplished something athletically…unlike you.

            3. Nobody got clobbered. You are a child that calls football his business. What a joke!

            4. I think it’s great they got Raulerson. I am surprised that a guy that claims football is his business wasn’t on top of that one when he was spewing about how UCLA isn’t recruiting any linemen. Seems you were spending more time whining than researching. But then, actual solutions and actual knowledge escape you on a daily basis.

            Everyone laughs at you. You humiliate yourself. Maybe you can come up with another list and type it in ALL CAPS…BECAUSE SOMEHOW YOU THINK THAT MAKES YOU SMARTER THAN YOU REALLY ARE….when in reality you are a complete poser. Fake UCLA grad. Fake wife. Fake family. Fake football expert!

          • 88 Straight

            Here is what you have proven:

            1. You have no answers. You can’t name one graduate transfer QB that Mora should have recruited. If there were other options name them. The ND transfer (Everett Golson) committed academic fraud! Only the uninformed would recommend he be a Bruin grad student and think he could be admitted. What else have you come up with? Neuheisel. Woulard. Fuller. Sharpe. An unnamed graduate transfer…originally Vernon Adams but you got exposed by not thinking that one through. So, nada! You are unable to name a realistic alternative. You suffer from ABR syndrome…Anybody But Rosen!

            2. You calling an actual competitor a choker is off the charts ridiculous. Rosen is much more than you have ever been or ever will be. You just try to make yourself seem important by putting down a young man has actually accomplished something athletically…unlike you.

            3. Nobody got clobbered. You are a child that calls football his business. What a joke!

            4. I think it’s great they got Raulerson. I am surprised that a guy that claims football is his business wasn’t on top of that one when he was spewing about how UCLA isn’t recruiting any linemen. Seems you were spending more time whining than researching. But then, actual solutions and actual knowledge escape you on a daily basis.

            You complain that people don’t debate based upon the facts. I have given you the facts about your graduate transfer “examples” and you resort to throwing a little temper tantrum about “eating crow” and humiliating someone. Are you 13? Do you realize that all you do is embarrass yourself?

            Maybe you can come up with another list and type it in ALL CAPS…BECAUSE SOMEHOW YOU THINK THAT MAKES YOU APPEAR SMARTER THAN YOU REALLY ARE.

            Come on, Little Rodney. You shoot off your mouth and make a lot of criticisms of Mora. Why can’t you tell everyone who he should have gone after. You have nobody! You wanted Vernon Adams and you know it and it is clear that he never would have been admitted. The same holds for Everett Golson. So who is it going to be?

            The reality is that you are a complete poser. Fake UCLA grad. Fake football expert! And your frustration at being exposed is showing.

          • Laker Rod

            I repeat…there are graduate transfers out there. PERIOD. Deal with it. All you do is come up withe EXCUSES you born loser.

          • 88 Straight

            Name one.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! Then why do you continually come up with excuses. That’s all YOU and UCLA are about. Excuses.

          • 88 Straight

            That’s all you have. You are very frustrated at being exposed for your dancing around when caught talking out of both sides of your mouth.

          • Laker Rod

            That’s all I have. LOL!!! What a tool you are.

      • EncinitasBruin

        Agree we need more offensive linemen–remember we also landed the graduate transfer center from Texas, and we should land one more OL, as 88 points out. Don’t agree on WRs. Who’s left from last year with Duarte, Fuller, and Jordan gone, and zilch coming in last year? Those three guys made up 64% of receiver catches (i.e. not including RBs), 68% of receiver yardage, and 86% of the receiver TD production. Andrews is our only proven receiver returning. Walker’s a speedster but his hands are unreliable, and the other guys haven’t proven themselves yet.

      • Sam Bam

        So Cal is not an easy area to find true OT’s or DT’s. Next years class is much deeper on the OLine. Offensive Guards seem to be the ceiling for most So Cal lineman the last few years. SC has put out a lot of offers to out of state OT’s for next season. Wyatt Davis from St. John Bosco is already a 5 star OT. It’ll most likely be an SC/UCLA battle for him. But I haven’t been too impressed with the OLine talent the last two years in So Cal. It’s a position of need and hard to come by. Hopefully next years Lineman in the So Cal area are as deep as the services are saying.

        • Laker Rod

          Of course it isn’t. It’s the reason why some guys must come from out of state like from the Big Ten country or Texas. There is a reason why we schedule out of conference games with Texas schools or schools like Nebraska, etc.

          If we think about the entire health conscience age we now live and moving more towards every day…it just gets harder and harder to find big boys who are 6’5 305 lbs out of high school.

          I’m not a big fan of star rankings either.

          • 88 Straight

            Ah….the imposter Laker Rod! LOL

    • 88 Straight

      Don’t forget that UCLA is working tirelessly to flip DL Garrett Rand. We could really use both Tagaloa and Rand. UCLA also accepted a OL transfer from Saddleback JC as a preferred walk on. Probably because of total numbers and we will see how many players actually sign and if there are players transferring out.

      UCLA also heavily involved with OL Francisco Perez. It promises to be an interesting week with a few surprises. And yes, we need Juarez as well. The icing on the cake.

    • Sam Bam

      Not taking anything away from your class, and not trying to find any excuses, but SC’s number of only having 20 guys might not be enough to for them to break the top 10. Crazy how these rankings work. Out of 13 commits, 10 are in the ESPN 300. And if we land Jack Jones and Jonathan Kongbo we will have four players with 5-Star rankings by Scout. Sounds like a top 10 class. But we used 5 Blue Shirts last season. To be honest, I don’t care where our class ends up as long as we can get Connor Murphy, Kongbo, Leki Fotu. All DLineman. That’s all I’m concerned about right now is building our DLINE. And by the season SC had we don’t deserve a top 10 class. It’s time for SC’s coaches to start earning they’re money by coaching up these highly touted kids. UCLA looks like they won’t have any disappointments on signing day. Yeah, ESPN have no respect for the west coast. Not one kid with a 5 star ranking. That’s a joke.

      • 88 Straight

        These rankings don’t mean all that much at the end of the day. I think it is about solid recruiting across the board and filling positions of need and having a balanced class position-wise. Also, getting a few elite recruits at skill positions. There are a lot of misses in recruiting and a lot of errors in evaluating recruits. One has to be competitive in recruiting and there is a difference between the #10 class and the #30 class. Be competitive and then coach them up.

        • Sam Bam

          SC gets crap for having 5 wide receivers in this class, but Tee Martin is hauling in the one of the best groups if not the best group of WRS in what is considered the the best and deepest wideouts in recent years. Even Theo Howard, Javon McKinley, Dylan Crawford. This is the year to stock up. We need DE’s, and are trying to land a few more. We have talent, we just need them to be properly coached up. How our old DLine coach Chris Wilson landed with the Eagles is a mystery. He was very average at best. We made the needed coaching changes at all positions. Our OL and DL coaches weren’t getting the job done.

          • 88 Straight

            The last week should be interesting with Tagaloa and Asiasi.

          • Sam Bam

            I think Asiasi will be a Trojan (and hope), and I think Boss is a Bruin. I don’t see Boss switching up to SC. Wilson only wanted longer taller DL and never offered while Tui was trying to get him an offer all year. I’m also a little on the fence with Boss, but I would definitely take him. Sounds stupid but I trust De La Salles pedigree.

      • EncinitasBruin

        Sam, sanctions are over, so what do you attribute the low amount of SC commits and recent de-commits to thus far (13)? Coaching changes? Don’t you guys have the full compliment of 25 schollies to give, or did blue shirts eat up some of those? Also, I agree that Gary is most likely going to be a Wolverine, but my sense is that the Trojans will end up just fine by the end of NSD this Wed. The eternal argument is quality vs quantity, when I think the equally important question is coaching. Look at the “Shaw Effect” at Stanford–they recruit to systems and program, regardless of “stars” or rankings. And they own the P12 right now.

        • Sam Bam

          5 Blue Shirts from last years class are 5 less scholarships for this class. Sark went over the limit last season when he offered Deontay Burnett on signing day and Kevin Scott. Plus a punter over the summer and two I don’t remember at the moment. The good thing is next year we can take the full 25. And Next years talent is supposed to be better or as good as 2015’s class. But I think again, SC/Helton dropped the ball by firing all the coach early and taking forever to solidify all the hirings. We left players in limbo without calling and giving them reassurances, which is Helton’s fault. But no excuses here. When it’s all said and done we lost too many ball games and a bowl game (again on Helton with only 7 practices). We’ve gotten away off our prestige for a while and this year the circus of a season has gotten the best of us.

      • Richard

        Mique Juarez is a serious 5 *
        U don’t care if u close the deal on Asiasi ? Ur in the driver’s seat

        • Sam Bam

          Of course we want to close the deal on Asiasi, but more importantly we are chasing DLineman and I’m more worried about that area.

          • Richard

            Didn’t see the Asiasi reference till after I wrote that and busy replying to LR re our receivers which should be up momentarily.
            So ur light on DL…for a change. And want more OL. UCLA has had only 2 OL drafted in the first two Rounds in the last 25 yrs so not much sympathy here.
            Boss maybe b superfluous to u but our most important recruit. Mique is a star and will start game 1. Great range / lateral quickness. Sometimes rated as high as #6 overall.
            How did Kessler fair vis Hogan in today’s Senior Bowl.
            Asiasi 70/30 Trojan unless he believes all the usage promises made by the Poly O tandem of KP & Tui. # Doubtful.

  • guest

    man, things have come a long way since the days when the player just picked a hat…

  • Laker Rod

    This guy isn’t starting right away. Get real. You care to name a UCLA true frosh WR who started and led the team in receiving? Let’s see how far you will go back.

    • j metaphor

      Redshirt him

  • EncinitasBruin

    I never said I thought all four of these new guys should start as true freshmen. Please don’t put words in my mouth. In a class that will be around 25 strong, I have no problem with 4 WRs, even if we end up redshirting them all. When did crisis occur for our receiving corps? It occurred last year with the whole Broadus fiasco and the lack of any WRs being signed in the ’15 class. Our cupboard is nearly bare with proven receivers, other than Andrews, who is a stud. Could Massington, the Johnsons, Walker, etc step up and have a big year? Of course, but we needed to reload after and talent drain this year, and I have no problem with 4 out of 25 of our commits being receivers (16% of the class). I’ve also stated–on numerous occasions–that I believe redshirting is the optimum route for the typical student athlete. Right now we have 4 OL additions to the team–two incoming freshmen and two transfers. Do we need more? Heck yeah!

    • Richard

      No great OL left for us but for a miracle landing of Tramonda Moore # 30/70 chance. We most prob flip OL Paco Perez.
      Raulerson supposedly weighed in at 305lbs during his visit last wkend, a good 20 lbs over Brendel & Quizz. The true freshman OL from San Diego could see some PT ????????! He looks pretty decent.

      • Laker Rod

        The only thing that concerns me with Raulerson is that he won’t be here for spring practice. He graduates from Texas in May.

        As far as the true frosh from San Diego…I wouldn’t think we would want him to see playing time. Do you realize Mora/Klemm have played true frosh offensive linemen every single year since they arrived in 2012 I don’t think it’s helping the situation.

        Out of curiosity is there a reason why you don’t feel comfortable with Poasi Moala or perhaps Oscar Lopez or Zach Bateman. They would all seem like better options than a true frosh. Even the redshirt frosh from last year would be better options.

        • Richard

          I always had HIGH hopes for Poasi esp that he’d contribute sooner. Lopez is big but hasn’t shown much at all vis
          Mama, Toa Lobendahn etc by comparison. I like Andre James at OT even tho rel short and light. Hallilo & Wariboko will determine our future. Rosen is all over Warbuckets getting him ready, his friendship w McDermott was huge in him staying !

          • Laker Rod

            “Had” high hopes? May I ask why you have lost hope on Moala? They were quite a few folks from who penciled Moala as a starter two years ago. Were you one of them? I’m just saying that if the cycle has been that true frosh linemen don’t contribute much or even if they do play it’s usually for a horrible offensive line which UCLA has has from 2012-2014 then why get excited about the new crop?

            If you want to really understand why UCLA struggles in the trenches you don’t have to look any further as to why the UCLA coaches are unable to develop players like Moala or Oscar Lopez, etc. Stanford has these types of guys developing and getting better as they wait their turn. At UCLA it seems like if you don’t have it from the beginning then forget it. This is not a good sign for UCLA. It’s time for Coach Adrian Klemm to start earning his paycheck.

            I see the 2016 offensive line as follows:

            LT – McDermott RSr, Miller RSo
            LG – Lacy RJr, Lopez RJr, Wariboko RFr
            C – Quessenberry RJr or Raulerson RJr
            RG – Bateman Sr or Quessenberry RJr or Moala RJr, Halalilo RFr
            RT – Miller RSo, James RFr

            The freshman OL recruits we get need to redshirt. I still say we need 4 of them also. We took 4 last year but are only left with 3. Anything can happen if we only get 2 recruits for 2016. In 2014, UCLA only got Kolton Miller and Najee Toran. Toran is now on the D line. So there are only 4 offensive linemen in the last 2 years. That’s not enough.

          • Richard

            Stanford runs on a different “business model” re OL. Been doing it that way for a long time and therefore it works for them. We don’t have the time for “start ups”. Have to win now to keep our momentum. Be reminded that XSF started his 1st game as freshman and was sensational. As Moala hasn’t broken in yet I think that indicates he may not be very good. I still do like him and pray be blows up immed. NWS, I would play him over Quizz, Bateman & Lacy probably. Quizz total lightweight, Lacy has moments but overall lacks strength and size and Bateman looked absolutely TERRIBLE when I saw him last year.
            Btw, u don’t need great technique etc to be an immediate effective OG. All that is really required it to be able to defeat a bull rush AND MOVE THE DL OFF THE BALL ON 4 and 1, something we haven’t been able to do since Baca left. He might have been a little nuts but very strong and opened up the A Gap consistently for the Mayor to run inside. He benched 225 lbs in excess of 27X at his pro camp.
            Mc D & Miller are stars & James should contribute as the 3d OT.!!! Our future depends on Warbuckets & Tevita coming up big almost from jump. Lopez prob still too fat but Moala should be a good 3d OG option this yr!! Not sure what to do at Center yet but Raulerson will get the first opportunity. May work out but something about him tells me he is a bit of a wus. Hope I’m wrong. May need to convert someone else to Center. Boy do we miss Fred U-P.
            We do agree that none of the 2016 OL are “shovel ready” Mike Alves might have the best chance but VERY doubtful.
            I’m feelin pretty good about Boss, ofcourse, and even Devin Asiasi at this point.
            Have a nice day

          • Laker Rod

            Stanford has not been doing it for a long time. Their program was in way worst shape less than 10 years ago. Harbaugh was in no rush. He built the program properly. He didn’t rush into playing true freshmen. That was NOT his model. Mora/Klemm have NOT been following the proper model.

            And XSF was not sensational as a true frosh. This was back in 2009. You’re trying to tell me that UCLA had a great offensive in 2009? The only think XSF did was play well…FOR A TRUE FRESHMAN.

            What you are condoning is that UCLA is not able to stop to tie their shoelaces and all they continue to do is trip over themselves playing so many true freshmen linemen. Admit it.

            And if you are already starting to think Moala and Bateman may be no good then start looking into why Coach Klemm is NOT able to develop these guys. If he can’t develop them what makes you think the new recruits can play. It’s like a crap shoot with UCLA. If Klemm doesn’t pick the right apple from the tree then he’s hosed. Klemm obviously is not able to do much with the apples in the barrell.

            And what you speak of Jeff Baca…he was NOT able to do what you are saying as a true frosh either. It took him until after he got hurt and took a redshirt year before he started to come on.

          • 88 Straight

            Every freshman lineman redshirted in 2015.

          • Laker Rod

            Are you on drugs? Fred Ulu Perry didn’t redshirt. Neither did Halalilo which you even mentioned in a different post. Make up your mind. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            Halalillo redshirtrd. Forgot about Fred. Find your QB yet?

            Still silent on that one. You are great at lists and complaining. Not so good at analyzing talent.

          • Richard

            To be fair LR makes some good points; however, the train has left the station on the notion that we can emulate the Stanford model..for many reasons! For instance, given the present state of the program, we can’t b in the crapper for an extended period while we “develop” / red shirt OL. We have too much momentum now to put it on pause e.g. Rosen etc.
            Stanford could afford to, as they were deep in a hole and their fans were willing to hang till upswing. They also get attract types that are willing to wait extensively before playing, get in trouble less w/ the law and have avoided significant OL injuries; whereas, we lose Goines due to “injury”, Torian White due to being accused of rape and Alex Redmond was unwilling to “wait”, as it were, in order to get passing grades and resume play.
            The LR point re Klemm is prob most prescient. Agreed, he is not a good coach & it tends to b a crap shoot as to whether he has tabbed the right guys. But, we’re lucky to have him w/ ALL his limitations. He has brought in more OL consistently than the next 3 UCLA OL coaches, combined. Palcic, the old white guy is a perfect example.
            Seems LR & I watch the same event as see it differently. I watch nothing but line play and observed every single snap of XSF’s freshman year. He was a superstar from jump. Never,ever, got beat in pass pro that entire year.
            As an aside : If the refs hadn’t swallowed their whistles and let Notre Dame have 3 more shots at the basket after time had expired in that 89th game, u’d prob be calling yourself “100 Straight”
            AND WHAT THE F IS WRONG W MY STARTING OL PROJECTION ?
            # Where’s the beef ? It’s on the field !!!

          • 88 Straight

            LR is still harping on the OL that played 3 years ago. As UCLA has built depth, the linemen have been redshirting in far greater numbers. He will just never admit it. Take a look at Stanford’s 2 deep chart, they have a few true sophomores which means they didn’t redshirt their freshman year. He spews without facts. Redshirting primarily is a matter for linemen to build up strength and gain weight. But it can also be important for linebackers and some DB’s as well. UCLA redshirted the vast majority of their freshmen from last year.

            Who was Stanford’s best player? A true sophomore, Christian McCaffery. So, overall it is wise to redshirt the vast majority of players. LR just takes it to an extreme and never names the players ahead of time but criticizes later as a Monday morning QB….except for the fact that he would start anybody ahead of Josh Rosen!

          • Richard

            Yes, just kinda, sorta, just barely missed the boat on Rosen….by a hundred million miles!
            U guys are both more into red shirting than I. If the OL is too skinny he should red shirt and even some/most who are too fat, but it didn’t kill sc to play Mama as an overweight true freshman. Yes, Rod, he wasn’t great, but passable and gained invaluable game PT!!! Halililo might be our Mama but we’ll have to see what shape he’s in upon return. Chances r he will not have shed the baby fat as the foot injury has prevented him from engaging in copious amts of stamina regimens. I’d still prefer to start him and hope to play him into shape. If that eventuates in less than optimal result, u platoon him during games as sc did w/ Mama, a very novel approach. That way he’s getting in shape while getting that game time PT.
            Besides, if u red shirt (potential) star OL u will not get even better ones in the next cycle. The really good ones aren’t coming here to red shirt. They want on the field and off the field asap so they can start getting paid for their endeavors.

          • 88 Straight

            SC had not depth last year on the OL which is why Mama, Lobendahn and one other played as true freshmen. It’s a matter of depth. SC wasn’t going to plan on losing games in the present to build for the future. Chris Petersen at UW played a true freshman QB and RB this year and they are a sleeper pick for the North next year. I think Petersen is a little sharper than LR.

            Now that UCLA is building depth, I think the incoming freshmen on the OL with be redshirting. That makes total sense to me. The idea that LR thinks Neuheisel was a better option at QB than Rosen destroys his credibility, IMO. And then he says get a graduate transfer QB, but he can’t name one that would have come into our system and also qualify academically. He’s all hot air.

          • Richard

            check it out. New stuff up

        • 88 Straight

          The ONLY true freshman that played at all in 2015 was Halalillo in mop up time against UNLV and was injured. He will get a medical redshirt. Effectively, EVERY lineman in the 2015 class redshirted, including the DL.

          • Laker Rod

            You forget about Fred Ulu Perry? Want to get away? Will you admit you’re wrong yet again? LOL!!!

    • Laker Rod

      The whole point is that we are sorely lacking linemen and linemen take longer to develop. We don’t need 4 WR’s in this class. It’s not like we have a bunch of senior WR’s departing after 2016. UCLA could easily just take 2 WR’s in the 2016 class and just take 2 more in 2017.

      In addition, for a position like WR…it would be rare for all 4 guys in the 2016 class to pan out. I have no idea if any of these 4 could convert to defensive back but still…we need more linemen not wide receivers.

      And focusing on the final 4 days is like trying to ask for a miracle. Did you take a look at Stanford’s verbal recruits at this point? They already have 4 offensive line verbal commits as well as like 5 D line commits which 3 are defensive tackles.

  • jameskatt

    It is good to see more players we can stock up on and redshirt to develop. If we are forced to use true freshmen at wide receiver, then we are admitting our remaining receivers are failures. If they are failures, perhaps they can be dropped to make room for other players.

    Certainly we need more big linemen. If not big, then those we can redshirt and develop into bigger NFL quality men.

  • Laker Rod

    Mora is right to start any true freshmen that is ready to play. That is the best way to build the team.

  • Laker Rod

    Please provide examples where you were previously correct about some true freshman in previous years. It’s almost impossible for you to be correct. Sorry if I don’t believe you about Howard.

    Are you the same guy who predicted Zach Whitley would start from day one way back in Spring 2014.

    And love the way you use hindsight to state your case. When 5 star Morrell Pressley was signed and the same with Randall Carroll with 10.3 speed I heard the same story and tune from fans like yourself. With Carroll UCLA now finally has the speed and he will be a big time receiver blah blah blah.

    And getting back to Howard…if this guy was truly 6’3 205 with even 4.4 or 4.5 speed vs 4.3…maybe just maybe…I might believe you more. Heck even if Howard was listed at 6’1 195 then it would be more realistic of Howard playing as a true frosh.

    However Howard is listed at 6’0 175 which means he’s probably more like 5’11 165 so there is no way Howard can even be physically ready. Opposing cornerbacks will simply bump him off his route. Give Howard time to grow. While he may have enrolled early he still needs to bulk up.

    And what is totally comical from you is that you call Payton slow and Duarte a primadonna and Fuller a bust. All 3 of them played as true freshmen and the same type of predictions were made about them when they were true freshmen. LOL!!! Wash, rinse, repeat cycle.

    • Richard

      Carrol & Pressly were serious midgets. TH is c. 6′ 175 but faster than them. If also quick, can get off the line but best to run some bunches on his side to confuse / pick the opposition.
      Need a bright “pass coordinator” to exploit the multiple speed combos we have available.
      We will have more YPP, w/o question.

  • Richard

    What does the last sentence mean? “legend” etc R u talking about Asiasi ?

    • Sam Bam

      “I just think WHEN it comes down to it Asiasi has been to SC 3 times now.”

      Is what I meant to say. The Auto spell on my Kindle Tablet sucks…

      • Richard

        I see thx. So here is the chronology, as I c it : He took BT on his OV to SC taking in a BB gm at Galen w/ Coach Helton; Upon leaving, BT went by UCLA, DA went straight home; BT a big UCLA lean and both plan to announce simultaneously, BT goes 1st and pix UCLA, then should b a lot of pressure on DA to go along for the ride w/ his bud + It’s reported that Mora made a huge impression on DA’s mom on his in house visit right before the SC OV. We have the Poly Power Offensive staff which must provide some level of comfort to him…and besides, I just tweeted him “Ur gonna b spending most of ur time on the Westside anyway. MOM KNOWS BEST. We lov’ya in Westwood. Go BRUINS”
        How can he resist ???? # Probably will
        We need him bad. He’s key to us being able to go to a Big Boy Pro Style O. Whatta load at c. 270lbs, coming in.

        • Sam Bam

          Last night I heard two rumors. 1st one was BT was going to Michigan and went over to Westwood to tell Mora thanks for everything. And that DA is leaning to Alabama (For my and your sake I hope it’s not true).
          2nd rumor was BT is torn between two schools (I’m guessing UCLA/Michigan) and that DA is already a silent to SC.
          One thing I will say about the poly connection is Tui and Polamalu are great people. But USC has Johnny Nansen also, and we have a lot more poly players and I think that Poly brotherhood will go along ways. The poly boys at SC have a special bond calling them selfs the “Uce Crew”. It’s really popular and important to them. I think having a good amount of poly kids at SC will sway the decision in our favor. At least with Asiasi, because he’s been a Trojan fan his whole life. They’ve said they want to play together, but only the last month or two they’ve really been thinking that way. Before that they were focused on themselves and ultimately making the best decision for themselves. I think they will go separate routes.
          I agree, DA would be a key component to a power offense to UCLA and SC.
          But I wouldn’t count out Harbaugh at UM. He’s gonna be a thorn in SC and UCLA’s sides for a few years. Still I think Boss Tagaloa to UCLA and Devin Asiasi to USC.

          • Richard

            I agree w ur last sentence / conclusion re BT & DA.
            Harbaugh taking A LOT of grief now over pulling schollies from “commits” right before NLI Day.
            Apparently no “Big 10” coach has ever done that.
            He took ur good OL coach Trevno as I recall ?!

          • Sam Bam

            Yeah he took Drevno and made him an OC. But Harbaugh was also asking players to leave the program before and after spring ball when he got to Michigan. And he forced some veteran players out. It was a big issue over the summer. That’s some BS.

          • 88 Straight

            I would be surprised if Tagaloa and Asiasi went to different schools.

          • Richard

            OL coach Tim Drevno

          • Laker Rod

            I prefer UCLA getting Boss Tagaloa vs getting Asiasi simply because BT is a defensive tackle which is what UCLA or any school needs more.

          • Sam Bam

            USC not only needs TE’s, but Devin Asiasi’s blocking skills are some of the best I’ve ever seen from a TE. His blocking alone makes him a dangerous force on offense. I could easily see him dominating on a Stanford line. I think Boss is probably the best run stopper in California.

          • Laker Rod

            I’ve never seen a true freshman tight end block well. Name one. Every tight end Stanford utilizes usually has time to grow in the program first.

            Do you realize Coby Fleener from Stanford was only a 3 star recruit. He came to Stanford at 6’6 215. He redshirted his first year. He obviously put on weight and he went through strength and conditioning. He didn’t start as a redshirt frosh either.

            By his redshirt junior year he was up to 6’6 248. He was 2nd team all conference as a redshirt junior. He stuck around for his redshirt senior year and he earned 1st Team All America honors.

            The above is how I usually see Stanford players do it.

            UCLA on the other hand plays too many true freshmen and they tend to leave after their true junior year without accomplishing anything. USC has done too many things similar to that of UCLA also.

            The last 5 star tight end for UCLA was Chris Clark and he was NOT ready as a true frosh despite some numbskulls (88 Straight) claiming he was ready. Marcedes Lewis was not really ready as a true frosh either and neither was Mike Seidman. I recall USC having similar cases also where they thought this 5 star tight end or that 5 star tight end were going to do wonders as a true freshman. It’s not happening.

  • Laker Rod

    You sure Asiasi is 275? I see him listed on Rivals at 253 which is exactly the same as Chris Clark. Clark was a bust as a true frosh. I’m not saying Asiasi will be a bust as a true frosh but it’s unrealistic to have high expectations.

    And I don’t really care about high school. Almost every college recruit was a high school highlight film. Many of them don’t turn out well…especially as true freshmen.

    You do realize OJ Howard over at Alabama was a 5 star recruited and he didn’t do much until the championship game in 2015 which is his true junior year.

    And Mike Seidman was NOT a beast as a true freshman. He was so weak as a true freshman it was ridiculous. He had 2 catches for 28 total yards as a true frosh. LOL!!! He was rated the No 1 tight end and 25th best player overall. I’m telling you it takes time for guys to develop.

    Seidman was only good his true senior year. He was a beast his senior year. That’s it.

    Lewis has 6 total catches his true frosh year for 51 total yards and 1 TD. That’s it.

    I learned back in the 80’s that all this talk of true freshmen is a joke. I especially learned from the supposed 1988 No 1 UCLA recruiting class. This class had Brett Johnson and Kevin Williams, etc. After UCLA and Aikman lost to USC there was this UCLA knucklehead who claimed that the incoming freshmen were better than the existing players. LOL!! I learned real quick how wrong this dude was.

    I’ve seen it every year. Some people just never learn.

    • Sam Bam

      Yes. Asiasi has been over 270 since the summer and has never dropped his weight. He wanted to be around 255 playing weight and could not do it. He’s had a history of shedding weight, it’s a big reason why most teams want him on the DLine. After he couldn’t get to 255 he said he would work on it during the summer at college, but many “experts” believe he’s just a kid that will always be struggling with his weight. He may hover around 270 and above.
      OJ Howard was gonna be a Trojan and we screwed that up, now he’s reunited with Kiffin.
      I was referring to Seidman’s junior season. But I’ll be honest there’s a lot of rumors about Asiasi going to Michigan. He’s just a great football player. But as much as we really want him we’ll be ok without him. We have TE Cary Angeline coming in this class from Pennsylvania 6-7 230 pass catcher who goes up and gets balls. And last year we signed Tyler Petite and Taylor McNamara. Asiasi just brings the toughness you need in the trenches from a TE. But as of today I wouldn’t bet on him being a Bruin or Trojan. I could be wrong.
      Also at one time that #1 class that Bob Toledo had with Deshaun Foster, Ricky Manning, and Freddie Mitchell, and the LB (I forgot his name) were gonna have UCLA on top for a few years. SC wanted Foster badly. We ended up with Carson Palmer. But it’s all about who’s coaching these kids up. Last year SC had the #1 class and Sarks staff wasn’t getting it done. I’m not saying Helton will get it done (he wasn’t my 1st,2nd or 3rd choice), but I think Helton’s new staff is more suited to teach these players and develop them. Helton is only gonna go as far as his staff will take him. And so far he brought in a proven DC, OL coach, DL coach is new (Wilson was nonexistent as our DL coach). There’s a lot of growing up to do at SC, and they will need the Spring time to get rolling. I would imagine that SC and UCLA could start slow with two new OC’s.

      • Laker Rod

        If Asiasi is struggling with his weight…not sure why yourself thinks he’d be a sure fire hit as a true freshman which is the point I’m trying to make.

        The #1 class you’re referring to was 1998 but Ricky Manning was part of the 1999 class..same with Seidman. This 1999 class was ranked No 5 but if you recall…UCLA had some dark years in 1999 thru 2002. None of these supposed top recruits were able to elevate the Bruins to what they achieved back in 1997 and 1998. Those teams performed better with supposed lesser talented recruits. Cade McNown was only a 3 star.

        And yes…it’s all about coaching these kids up. That’s the main point I have been trying to make. Some coaches decide to redshirt guys and take a more long term approach. Do you know that Ohio State only played 4 true freshmen in 2015. Everybody else redshirted. Michigan State and Stanford redshirt the majority of their players also.

        UCLA and USC play too many true freshmen in my opinion. It doesn’t help the cause. I know for sure both Lane Kiffin and Rick N. and even Jim Mora and staff try to recruit top talent on the basis of early playing time and believe me it doesn’t work in the long run.

        UCLA has quite a few early enrollees which helps but ideally UCLA should already have other players who have been developing ahead of these new incoming recruits. I think USC is slightly different due to the sanctions so more true freshmen may need to play here or there.