Three thoughts on UCLA after a blowout loss at Stanford

UCLA’s 56-35 loss at Stanford last night exposed even more of the Bruins’ flaws. The game story is here, and below are some more thoughts on what happened at Stanford Stadium.

1. Was this UCLA’s worst loss under Jim Mora? The game ended less than 24 hours ago, so there’s certainly some temporal bias to account for here. Still, I don’t remember seeing an uglier outing by these Bruins.

The 49-26 loss to Baylor in the 2012 Holiday Bowl would be at the top of the conversation, but that — like losses to then-unranked Oregon State and Cal the same year — can be chalked up in part to first-season growing pains. Back-to-back losses to Stanford and Oregon in 2013 were thought of as part of UCLA’s developmental process.

But Thursday night? That felt more damning, another brick in the wall keeping the Bruins on the side of “good” rather than “great” — the side of nine-win seasons rather than playoff berths. UCLA’s eight-game losing streak to the Cardinal is now its longest to any opponent, surpassing the Bruins’ seven straight losses to USC from 1997 1999-2005. Losing 31-10 at the Rose Bowl last year, when Stanford had a down season, stands as a major missed opportunity to get over the hump.

2. Can the defense be repaired? Errors by the offense (Josh Rosen’s pick six) and special teams (Christian McCaffrey’s 96-yard return) dug UCLA into an early hole, but what truly did the Bruins in was their porous defense.

The Bruins gave up 6.31 yards per carry to the Cardinal, the most they’ve allowed in a game since Nebraska and Houston both averaged more than 7.2 in early 2012. In the 42 games between those outings and Thursday, only six opponents averaged more than 5.0.

Coaches have talked about the need to rearrange the puzzle in the wake of season-ending injuries to defensive lineman Eddie Vanderdoes, cornerback Fabian Moreau, and linebacker Myles Jack. On numerous occasions, they’ve brought up on sophomore Kenny Young’s need to adjust from “Mike” to “Will” linebacker. But that type of transition is best suited for the offseason; is it feasible in mid-October?

3. How many more injuries can the team sustain? UCLA stayed relatively healthy through its first three seasons under Jim Mora. Quarterback Brett Hundley never missed a start, despite a playing style that exposed him to big hits. In 2013, the offensive line lost both Simon Goines and Conor McDermott in the same game, but the latter wasn’t a starter then. Defensive end Owamagbe Odighizuwa sat out a whole season following hip surgeries, but that gave UCLA time to practice without him.

In comparison, this season seems cursed, with injuries forcing UCLA to redraw its preseason plans. In addition to having already lost Vanderdoes, Jack and Moreau from the defense, the Bruins took a few more blows on Thursday. McDermott missed the second half with a knee injury. He walked unassisted after the game, but limped noticeably as he made his way up the stairs.

Offensive guard Alex Redmond left the game with a hand injury, while linebacker Deon Hollins suffered a knee injury. The severity of the injuries is still unclear.

UPDATE: Receiver Tyler Scott is out for the season after tearing his ACL. Running back Nate Starks suffered a head injury.

  • Sandy Underpants

    On the bright side– at least we don’t have to lose to Oregon again this year.

    • EncinitasBruin

      On the bright side–SC might crack back into the Top 25 by the end of the season, after opening the season #6 in the nation and with Heisman hype about Kessler. Where have all the good times gone, Mr. Carroll?

      • gotroy22

        SC will win easily this year over you clowns. But next year we have to break in Browne and Rosen will be better.

    • Kurt Wong

      Oregon sucks this season… that’s the team we should be playing this season…

      • gotroy22

        See! The Melsby Curse strikes again!

    • Clown U

      Oh underpants. You never cease to impress. Your clown college skills are super.

  • Kurt Wong

    This is going to be the worst season in Mora’s tenure yet at UCLA.. not looking good against CAL, UTAH, USC. Predicting they will lose to these three teams

    • gotroy22

      Thank Bret Hundley for that. But Rosen wanted to start as a true freshman so you will have to take your lumps.

      • Clown U

        We need to thank our pompous kings lienart and barkley. Without them we would be nothing. And when I say say nothing I mean…us.

    • Clown U

      Oh I see more fellow clown college disciples are here too. It is not just laker rod. He must step up his game. We don’t want to get out shined by you.

  • Kurt Wong

    This team just becomes worse than the previous week… no offense, no defense.. look at all the penalties.. oh my…. what is Jim Mora & Co. teaching these men in practice?????

    • Elliot Levinson

      Over 500 yd in offense. Plenty of offense. Too many penalties. Take away the pick 6 & the kickoff return & it’s a 1 touchdown game. Penalties took away a sure TD on the 2 & turned it into a FG instead. Missed a FG. It’s tied and receivers dropped sure TD passes. Plenty of offense. Couldn’t stop them at all on defense. Bogus targeting call & things just got worse.

      • Kurt Wong

        First of all…. I don’t care if they went over 500 yards…. even if they went 1000 yards and don’t score what’s the point???? This was not the team we saw beating Virginia or BYU… the coaches don’t know what to do.. players are confused…. linebackers suck… they talk about depth.. depth.. depth.. in the beginning of the season… what depth???

        • Elliot Levinson

          Of course this wasn’t the team we saw beating Virginia or BYU. Defense got decimated even more. Stanford is a VERY GOOD veteran team & there is no comparison between them & either Virginia or BYU. Of course the coaches know what to do. ???? a few weeks ago, they sure knew what to do. You don’t coach in the Pac 12 if you’re not good at your job. Gotta hunch you haven’t been around college or Ucla football very long. Of course players get confused, the linebackers are new or new to their positions. As far as the depth goes, when you have 5 starters on defense out, it’s next man up and those next men obviously weren’t as experienced or as good as the guys they replaced. You’re too hard on yourself. It’s a long season, enjoy it, instead of dissing the team. Doesn’t make you sound very knowledgeable about the game. Enjoy!

          • Laker Rod

            Stanford is not a veteran team necessarily. They lost 9 starters from last year’s defense but take a look as to who replaced these starters. There are still 5 or 6 senior defensive starters. How many seniors does UCLA have?

            Stanford gets guys to return but Ellis McCarthy leaves to go undrafted?

            Stanford has guys wait their turn.

            Stanford and every team has had their fair share of injuries also. No excuses. This is Mora’s 4th year in the program.

          • Kurt Wong

            Ditto… no excuses.. you can’t you injuries as an excuse for games against Stanford and ASU. Injuries are going to happen. that’s just the nature of the game…

          • 88 Straight

            McCarthy left because he was not a student and got bad advice. You don’t go to Stanford if you don’t like school. If you are pinning your argument on McCarthy it’s a dumb argument.

            Losing Vanderdoes and Jack has hurt our run defense immensely. Easy to see and not as easy to fix against a team like Stanford.

          • Laker Rod

            Excuses as usual. Maybe the coaches better think twice of getting a supposed 5 star recruit like McCarthy next time. He’s gone now. No help whatsover for 2015. We could have had a potential redshirt junior starting right now or even a true senior vs that of a true sophomore in Matt Dickerson who’s obviously not quite there yet.

            How does Stanford avoid these problems where they lost 9 starters on D but yet UCLA returned 9 starters on defense? Wake up man. How many seniors does Stanford still have on defense vs that of UCLA?

            It’s embarrasing how UCLA lost. The true score was more like 56-21…Rosen just padded stats at the end.

          • 88 Straight

            Your Rosen hatred is totally nuts and colors your already poor analysis and judgment.

          • Laker Rod

            Your love of Rosen is ridiculous. Come out of the closet Mrs Rosen.

          • 88 Straight

            I just don’t blame him for everything, including climate change like you do. You are just butt hurt that you can never pick the QB. And if anyone needs to come out of the closet…..?

          • 4Stringer

            Furd could have put up over 70. They took their foot off the gas by the end of the 3rd quarter, respectfully. Furd also lost their starting DT Harrison Phillips and starting LB’er Kevin Anderson. Furd replaced all 3 starting DL from last year and 5 DB’s. Now that’s a system.

          • Laker Rod

            Yes…they sure do appear to have a good system going. The pick 6 to begin with was pretty spectacular for the Stanford DB. Don’t even know who is and I can’t imagine him being rated higher than some of UCLA’s own DB’s but we can’t even get our own DB’s to turn around properly. Wadood is a pretty special player himself but he did not use good technique on the highlight play for Stanford. All he had to do was turn around.

          • Elliot Levinson

            huh? They aren’t a veteran team yet they have 5 or 6 defensive starters?? What does Ellis McCarthy’s leaving & going undrafted have to do with getting guys to return. Do you know what McCarthy’s situation was?

          • Laker Rod

            They lost 9 starters. What are you talking about. UCLA returned 9 starters on D. What Stanford did to continue their excellence is they have seasoned experienced depth….they don’t go with true freshmen like UCLA does.

            McCarthy is only one example of many for UCLA. Are Stanford players leaving early to go undrafted or be 5th rounders?

          • Kurt Wong

            I haven’t been in college or UCLA football very long? That is an arrogant thing to say as I graduated from UCLA and attended football games.. and have followed the games for years. People like you just enable that kind of mediocrity…. Just because you coach in the pac 12 doesn’t mean you’re automatically good at your job… You don’t make any sense.

          • Elliot Levinson

            ROFL, people like me just enable that kind of mediocrity??? What does having graduated from Ucla & attended football games for years have to do with anything. I graduated from Ucla probably well before you were born, maybe even before your parents were born. I didn’t miss more then a dozen or so Ucla games since the 40’s when I sold programs at the Coliseum until 2001 when I moved out of state. According to you, that makes me arrogant and an enabler? Most half way knowledgeable fans knows that the name of the game is staying healthy. There is so much parity in college football, especially in the pac 12, that every injury hurts, is exploited immediately during the games and can easily destroy an entire season by losing key people. We lost 3 key defenders, had one suspended and then came back playing a different position. Next man up is a great idea but in most cases, the next man up isn’t near as good as the man that went down. Besides the fact that 100 players can’t travel on the road with a team. I’m pretty sure that a coach with Bradley’s knowledge & experience has a good idea on the capabilities of the players at his disposal. So does our opponents. No one said that’s it’s only because of injuries, many times the other team is just better. Nice to know your arguments including the normal sophomoric dissing. Thanx, I accept the compliment.

    • EncinitasBruin

      I smell a troll. Back under the bridge now. Shoo, shoo!

      • Kurt Wong

        Shoo me? Shoo you… this team is confused.. coaches are confused… players are confused…

        • EncinitasBruin

          My sincere apology, Kurt. There are so many SC trolls on here, that I thought you were one. I agree that we seem to be going downhill–trust we can right the ship against Cal.

        • Laker Rod

          It all starts at the QB position. We have a true frosh QB who is confused and getting overwhelmed. The coaches are losing confidence with him..they realize they cannot run the ball at will because the defense is stacking against the run so Mazzone opens up trying to pass and Rosen throws a pick 6 to start. Wow. I expect better from Mora and Mazzone.

          The failure of this season started when the coaches decided to go with a true freshman drop back quarterback.

          A true freshman QB who is making mistakes cannot be a leader. He cannot hold others accountable because he is not accountable himself or trust worthy.

          Where is Jake Brendel. He’s the supposed leader of this team. He needs to demand more from his O line.

          Who is the leader on defense.

  • EncinitasBruin

    Correct. Our seven-game losing streak to SC was between 1999-2005. However, for the official NCAA record book, the 2004 and 2005 SC wins were vacated for BushGate. And as a side note, THAT streak is not a record in our rivalry with the Trojans, as we beat them eight years in a row between 1991-1998.

    • 88 Straight

      SC specializes in vacating.

      • gotroy22

        One Trojan wag put it to me this way, “Probation is the cost SC pays for National Championships”.

    • gotroy22

      So Dorrell actually has a winning record against us!

      • EncinitasBruin

        No. Unlike Mora, who is undefeated against the Trojans.

        • gotroy22

          But Dorrel ends up 3-2 with our two forfeits thanks to Reggiegate.

  • EncinitasBruin

    I was troubled by the mental collapse that I witnessed last night. Mora has consistently failed to prepare this team for the biggest games, when the biggest prizes are on the line: Utah and Stanford last year; ASU the year before; Stanford in 2012 (although the ’12 P12 championship game was a respectable showing at 27-24).

    Let’s keep things in perspective, however, Bruin fans. We were picked by the Pac-12 media to finish 4-5 in the conference. We knew that with a true freshman QB, this was not going to be a playoff-possible season. When we lost our leading players at each defensive skill unit (EV–DL, MJ–LBs, FR–DBs), we knew the defense was going to take a big hit. Even before the Virginia game, I thought 10-3 with a bowl win would be a huge success behind the QB play of an 18 year old, and 9-4 would be more realistic.

    I want a playoff berth and a national championship shot as much as anyone, but this team is just not there yet. Our first teams can run with anyone, in my opinion, but when the injuries start piling up, our weaknesses are exposed. Some of that is about recruiting for depth (where we are making progress). Some of it is about Mora’s approach to the mental game. Until CJM sheds his blasé attitude about penalties and mental errors (two dropped TD passes?! Really?), UCLA will never make the shift from good to great. My hope is that, like all good coaches, he can grow, adjust, and make the necessary changes (perhaps in staffing) to get over the hump.

    In the past, Dorrell and Neuheisel couldn’t even SEE the hump. With Mora, it’s there in the distance. Can he can UCLA up and over it? I hope so.

    • MPPBruin

      It’s hard to imagine a team with real championship aspirations ever looking that bad. Losing is one thing, but last night we an absolute drubbing like we don’t even belong in the conversation. I like Mora, but great coaches don’t get their doors blown off like that.

    • Laker Rod

      Umm…the Bruins were not picked to go 4-5 in the conference way back last spring when it was yet decided as to who the QB would be. The talk was whoever got the QB job was being handed the keys to a Ferrari.

      UCLA supposedly had the most talent returning and for sure had the most returning starters with 18 or 19. There was/is experienced depth behind the starters also.

      Back then the motto was…”play the best players regardless of class”…and if this is a true frosh…so be it. The argument was back then and even very recently that Josh Rosen wasn’t like a regular true frosh. He enrolled early. He’s been playing the same system for a long time…blah blah blah. Others were saying UCLA has so much talent all Rosen has to be is a “game manager”…UCLA can just run the ball behind Paul Perkins. I argue that this isn’t true. UCLA has never shown that they can run the ball at will.

      Also, certain individuals were gloating after the Virginia game.

      I’ve been debating for months with certain individuals on the drawbacks of going with a true frosh drop back type QB. One party was claiming Rosen can run…oh really? Can he? For the read option….Rosen always hands off to the RB. The opposing D has no respect at all with Rosen running the ball which is what I predicted months ago. It shows how one dimensional the team can be.

      People tried to argue…Rosen’s arm more than makes up for any running deficiency he may have. Does it? We all see the potential in Rosen which is exciting but come on…for those who expected more from a true frosh QB is just totally unrealistic. These are college kids we are talking about. When the QB is inconsistent it doesn’t promote confidence leading into any game. If anything…the opposition has more confidence they can win. After seeing Stanford destroy UCLA…wouldn’t you believe if you were Cal that you can come to the Rose Bowl and win? Cal has Jared Goff. UCLA has the true frosh QB.

      And the issue isn’t about how Jim Mora has this attitude related to penalties/mental errors and this is why we are only “good” vs “great”.

      The penalties and mental errors which constantly occur is because Jim Mora doesn’t have the patience to allow enough players to redshirt and learn and develop. Yes…some true frosh are ready..but these are usually wide receivers and/or running backs or maybe a defensive back. And it’s only one or two…not many spread across the field. Same goes for true sophomores.

      Players need to learn to get it right in practice first and players need to understand that if they make mistakes then they will be benched.

      But give Mora credit…he’s better than Rick Neuheisel and Karl Dorrell for sure.

      We have already hit the point where UCLA fans are losing their patience with Mora related to non-championship seasons but 9 and 10 win seasons. The key is what does Mora need to do to get UCLA to great. I have made my suggestions. It appears certain individuals simply don’t want to listen year after year after year we go through these same growing pains. Let’s try redshirting more guys. Let’s try to develop the existing players we got.

      If you earn a starting job as a true frosh…what incentive do you have to work super hard to keep it. If you are redshirting…a player is hungry to improve in all facets. They are hungry. If they barely play as redshirt frosh…they are hungry to earn more playing time. If you already have the job one becomes complacent or spoiled or entitled at times like ala Myles Jack.

      USC and UCLA get the most talented players year in and year out. To see other teams constantly beat them out is a joke. Let’s do what others are doing. Taking talented 5 star running backs and wide receivers and linebackers, etc. doesn’t win you games. It’s starts in the trenches. Recruit plenty of linemen with plans on redshirting mostly all of them. The expectation is that the earliest one should start is as a redshirt sophomore and more likely as a redshirt junior. The players at Stanford have waited their turn.

      Recruiting doesn’t win. Coaching and development of players always wins out in college football.

      • 88 Straight

        “Recruiting doesn’t win.” Wow….that’s amazing. You may want to tell that to Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Give them the same players they get at Fresno State and they will win National Championships with them. Brilliant thinking.

        Sorry Rodney. You need to recruit top players AND develop them. Coaches recognize that they need to do both to succeed. But hey, you know better!

        • Laker Rod

          You make no sense at all. Michigan has always recruited well. The had bad coaches in the past. Amazing how Harbaugh takes over and they are instantly good. You have no credibility whatsoever.

          We are sitting at a point where I predicted the team can easily be 1-2 in conference play by going with a true frosh QB. You know it. You tried to argue all day long against this. You’ve been proven wrong as usual.

          • 88 Straight

            It was pretty simple. You need to recruit well AND develop. Not just one or the other. Intelligent people understand that. I think your reading comprehension is failing you again. Read the other post again.

            You don’t think recruiting rankings matter at all? The stats don’t back that up.

          • Laker Rod

            UCLA always recruits well enough. It’s irrelevant and doesn’t matter.

            UCLA always gets top recruits no matter who the coach is and no matter the state of the program. They recruit better than even Stanford year in and year out. Take a look below. You are too easy to beat. You are operating at a too “simple minded” level.

            2015 – UCLA #13. Stanford #18
            2014 – UCLA #18 Stanford #14
            2013 – UCLA #8 Stanford #64
            2012 – UCLA #13 Stanford #5
            2011 – UCLA #45 Stanford #22
            2010 – UCLA #8 Stanford #26
            2009 – UCLA #14 Stanford #20
            2008 – UCLA #13 Stanford #50

            Now…ask yourself….how has UCLA lost to Stanford 7 years in a row and 8 times overall in a row. The last time UCLA won was in 2008 with Kevin Craft at QB and RN’s first year and that UCLA team went 4-8 overall.

            I see a Stanford team redshirting way more guys than UCLA. This you cannot dispute either.

            Go to a comparison of UCLA vs Arizona State and Arizona.

            Even better…do a comparison of USC vs other teams.

            Also do this comparison. See how many linemen certain teams are getting and how many are redshirting with the succesful programs vs that the of the mediocre ones.

            It’s obvious it’s coaching and development …if it was recruiting..USC should be winning every year.

          • 88 Straight

            So you are ignoring the recruiting at Alabama, Florida State and Ohio State? Recruiting doesn’t matter?

            It’s ONLY coaching?

          • Laker Rod

            You’re ignoring the recruiting of USC, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, etc? Go look at TCU’s recruiting rankings as well as Michigan State and Baylor. You’re wrong. You are always wrong and so easy to beat. You just love punishment don’t you.

            Think about…the UCLA team could have been 3-0 right now in conference and Rosen could be on fire…and you would be gloating…right? But this isn’t reality. Your wishful thinking did NOT come true. If you think I’m something special…I’m not. 10% of Bruin fans can figure this out but 90% of individuals like yourself cannot. I repeat…look at where UCLA is right now.

            How many interceptions has Rosen thrown now? I even told you Matt Barkley was 6-0 as a starter as a true frosh before the wheels fell off. Your response was Rosen is better Barkley stinks.

            USC had it’s worst year going with a true frosh QB and Barkley and this was in Pete Carroll’s last year as coach where he stockpiled a gang load of talented recruits supposedly.

            Jim Mora is now in his 4th year and should have had the program continuing to rise but yet..how does the 2015 shape up now. People are already predicting that this will be Mora’s worst year. How is this possible with 18 returning starters. It’s obvious. TRUE FROSH QB who cannot run the ball.

            I repeat….you better hope Josh Rosen doesn’t get hurt and ruin his future. The way he is throwing interceptions doesn’t promote any confidence in his own abilities. He’s getting sacked way more also. He continues to roll right with nothing open. Had he prepped another year he would be bigger stronger and faster. He probably could indeed run with more confidence but right now as a true frosh he cannot.

            Other coaches waited for their guy to develop. Luck redshirted. Same with Mariotta and same with Winston. Even two of the three Ohio State QB’s redshirted. It’s obivous they still need some work. I repeat…you expect too much out of young players and think it’s all about talent out of high school.

          • gotroy22

            Ouch! How does Stanford beat the ruins and SC?

          • Clown U

            Yes my minion. More lists. Show these UCLA people who is king.

        • Laker Rod

          You leave out USC don’t you. How about Texas. Florida? Miami? Look at their recruit rankings and then look at where they have finished recently.

          And those teams like Alabama, Ohio State, and FSU you mentioned have the good coaching and development there.

          Go look at the recruit rankings for TCU, Baylor, and even Michigan State. You’ve been proven wrong yet again.

          The common source to success is coaching which is the same as developing the players and having depth at the right positions. It’s not recruiting. Alabama was floundering prior to Nick Saban. They still had top recruits back then.

          What you do is operate at a “simple minded” level where you think “recruiting/talent” matters between that of the traditional powers vs that of doormats like New Mexico State, Tulane, UNLV, San Jose State, Idaho, etc. At this level…recruiting/talent matters…duh!!

          But we are not discussing this type of situation are we. We are talking about teams whom UCLA plays against in their own conference. Historically look at where UCLA is recruiting. Historically look at where others are recruiting. Do you finally get it? I doubt it.

          • 88 Straight

            Because they didn’t get coached properly. You need BOTH! Simple.

          • Laker Rod

            You didn’t explain how TCU, Michigan State, and Baylor are winning. They didn’t have the recruiting. EXPOSED! YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.

          • 88 Straight

            Yeah because those teams don’t have talent. You are ignorant beyond belief. Talent doesn’t matter, only coaching.

          • Laker Rod

            Those team do have talent but it was “developed”..not picked from a tree out of high school. You’ve been proven wrong and you know it. EXPOSED! 88 Straight times WRONG! LOL!!

          • Clown U

            Expose them. Show your pompous superiority in grand clown college fashion.

          • 88 Straight

            I am looking at an Alabama team that is full of 4 and 5 start talent. I guess it is coaching alone and talent doesn’t matter.

            In your case it is nurture or nature. Not sue were Mommy failed you but you are probably still living with her! EXPOSED!!!! YOU LOST AND YOU KNOW IT!!!! SO FUNNY!!!! CAN I DRAG 88 DOWN TO MY LEVEL???? APPARENTLY!! Welcome to Legoland!

          • Laker Rod

            You switch back to Alabama and resort to personal attacks because you’ve been proven wrong.

            What you need to do is do research on teams like TCU, Michigan State, Baylor, and even Utah. Look at where their past recruiting ranking are and then compare to where they are ranked now.

            You are wrong. It’s not about the “talent” you speak of. It’s coaching and developing the talent. We are not talking about the bottom feeders of college football like New Mexico St, etc. You are wrong and you know it because you don’t even address this point.

            Just admit I’m right and you’re wrong and move on.

          • 88 Straight

            Because Alabama, Florida State and Ohio State have won the NC and coincidentally also had the top 3 recruiting classes over the past 4 years.

            The other teams are outstanding teams with outstanding players that did not make the playoffs or the BCS Title game.

          • Laker Rod

            But we were not talking about “national” championships now were we. You always lose and have to come up with a new angle.

            We are talking “conference” championships…not “national”…UCLA can’t even win a “conference” championship and here you are trying to talk about “national” championship…oh brother. Make some sense.

            In addition…you should know that any team that does well in any season…the following year their rankings are artificially inflated by recruiting sites so they can justify the horse crap they are feeding to individuals like yourself. Even with this they can’t cover up their mistakes.

            In addition, we already went over this too…all those schools you mentioned have great coaching. Where was Alabama prior to Nick Saban.

            Texas has had great recruiting class also in the past and they are not winning recently. Same with Florida.

            I already proved to you UCLA has better rankings than Stanford but yet continually loses and got blown out this last time. Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            That’s what you were talking about.

          • Laker Rod

            Show me where. Quit making up lies.

            Discuss Stanford vs UCLA philosophy. You can’t because you know you’ve been clobbered.

            You know what I mean by recruiting. I even tried to train you because you are so “simple minded”. Even after I corrected you….YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG…so you have no choice but to stick your head in the mud.

            You still NEVER addressed Baylor, TCU, Michigan State, and even Utah. They don’t even have top 15 talent. These teams are more like in the 30’s and 40’s in recruit rankings. Didn’t I tell you to look it up. Do some research before mouthing off. YOU JUST GET DESTROYED OVER AND OVER.

          • 88 Straight

            Get back to your toys, Junior. Enjoy what you believe to be a victory. You are simply a bore in need of a social life. Sounds like the women of the world have redshirted you. Enjoy your little fantasized victory! You are an uneducated bore.

          • Laker Rod

            Typical response back. Clobbered yet again and start with the personal attacks.

            Come on…address Baylor, TCU, Michigan State, and even Utah. Did you look up their recruit rankings? Explain. You can’t.

            Uneducated troll. LOL!!! Look in the mirror. You lose every debate.

          • 88 Straight

            Wake me up when any of those schools win a NC.

            Debating a dishonest person is not worth my time. A Bruin fan that loves it when the Bruins lose so he can act like a know it all is worthy of only scorn. Good luck in losing your virginity.

          • Laker Rod

            No dummy. It’s about conference championships.

            Let the anger burn in you 🙂 Stress level rising. LOL!!! You are not laughing or smiling but I am 🙂 Was fun whipping your butt. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            It is for you. Enjoy. Find a girl. Pay for one if you must and I believe you must, Little Rain Man. You are a real gem…..well cubic zirconia actually. Total phony.

          • Laker Rod

            Sure you were talking about NC. It’s because you lost about conference championship so you changed the subject. LOL!!!

            Keep up with the personal attacks 🙂 I hope your hair hasn’t fallen out or already has with all the stress you’re going through. LOL!!! Might need to seek some help for the anger issues. HA HA HA!!

          • Laker Rod

            Typical lame response. You lose…have nothing better to respond with. Cant discuss Stanford vs UCLA philosophy? Why do you continually side step the issue. It’s easy….YOU ARE WRONG and you can’t admit.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            Actually, ProbationU wrote:

            Take a look at the recent National Champions and take a look at their average recruiting class rankings.

            Your perseverating in error out of a pathological inability to admit when you’re wrong is tragic.

          • Laker Rod

            That is ProbationU’s twist around of the circumstances as usual since he lost the debate of “conference” championship. Feel free to attempt to find where “national” championship was brought up from ME. You won’t find it.

            He’s wrong and you know it also.

            The debate was related to UCLA vs Stanford and how UCLA can’t win a “conference” championship. I even showed Probation how the recruit rankings differed between UCLA and Stanford. He chose to ignore it.

            He then tries to switch the subject and show how “recruiting” matters and then points out teams like Ohio State, Alabama, etc. to show how recruiting matters. I then show him teams like Michigan St, Baylor, Utah, etc. For where they are ranking wise…they are obviously winning their respective conference. He again has no answer.

            He then tries to talk about “national” championship. Dude is all over the place. He’s continually proven wrong and tries to change the subject matter to deflect away what he’s been proven wrong on.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            It’s not a “twist” if he states it plainly at the beginning of the thread.

            You do realize that your pathological inability to be honest makes it impossible for others to listen to you, don’t you?

          • Laker Rod

            It is a twist. I repeat…go find where I said anything about “national” championship. You obviously cannot find it. Go find anything even 3 weeks ago or earlier where ProbationU/88 Straight said anything about “national” championship. Was never brought up and you know it. He knows it too.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            The great coaches move from schools with lesser talent to the programs with the best talent in order to win championships.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            They’re not winning national pseudo-championships.

          • Laker Rod

            Where did I claim “national” championship. I said they are winning. TCU killed Texas 50-7 this year. Do a comparison on their recruiting rankings. Oh brother. I guess you like punishment also.

            Quit making up stuff that doesn’t exist. “National” championship. LOL!!

            Do a comparison on recruit rankings between Ole Miss and Alabama. Ole Miss won 43-37.

            Are you another old guy who is stuck in the past?

            You don’t seem to realize how big high school football is now in comparison to that of the 70’s and early 80’s or earlier. College was way less expensive. Less scholarship limitations.

            With the introduction of cable television…certain popular high school sports have gotten real big. There are just way better athletes and more of them these days than in the past. These guys don’t walk on anymore to the traditional powerful programs. College is too expensive.

            This is why the talent has leveled off. In any given game…one can beat the other. Now just because Ole Miss won…does not mean they can sustain the wins for the entire season.

            I repeat…UCLA will always have their share of good recruits. So will other teams. So I repeat…the “recruiting HS talent” ProbationU is referring to is IRRELEVANT. How do you explain Stanford constantly beating UCLA.

            If you believe it’s recruiting HS talent…then what is UCLA supposed to do? Try to get more 5 star guys like Chris Clark or Ellis McCarthy? Make some sense. Remember..5 star guys have egos. If they don’t early playing time…they may leave. Even 4 star guys leave. Look at Zach Whitley. Kylie Fitts. Already gone. Priest Willis? What good are getting these guys? Who is the one who can’t keep them or develop them?

            Better coaches retain more guys and develop. Teams don’t suddenly win by injecting a bunch of talented true freshmen in the line up.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            That entire stream of consciousness is a non sequitur.

          • Laker Rod

            I told you you were wrong. I said “winning”. You can’t even admit you are wrong.

        • Clown U

          Leave my minion laker rod alone. He is not feeling well today.

        • Muleboy

          Over the last 5 years only Saban has recruited better than SoCal. How’s that worked out for Troy ?
          tOSU and FSU are 3/4 over the same 5 year span. But not so with TCU Baylor or even the Utes.
          Coaching is the key ingredient. The extra talent just gives them a head start.

          Mora deserves patience, esp given how far he’s moved the needle.

          • 88 Straight

            My point is that you need both talent and coaching. To say that recruiting doesn’t win is not accurate. Teams don’t win big without recruiting well. Of course recruiting alone doesn’t work nor does coaching alone. Bill Snyder would be the example of great coaching with mediocre talent. The recent SC coaches would represent the opposite, plus SC has no talented depth with the scholarship reductions and is playing a lot of very young players.

            Baylor, TCU and Oregon recruit to a particular system which may not be reflected by recruiting rankings. UCLA needs more speed at the wideouts, strength in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Also, we have lost talented linebackers and play very undersized safeties. I love Wadood but a safety that is 5’9″ and 165#s has no shot against the Stanford running game.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Baylor, TCU, etc recruit to a particular system now? What about Michigan Sate? The excuses you come up with are ridiculous.

            You just admitted programs who have recruited with a lot less talent out of HS but are still winning. So I repeat…by your own admission…YOU ARE WRONG.

            It’s coaching and development. It’s not about “talent” to which we are referring to.

            The only time where it’s not coaching and development is when you are talking about teams like New Mexico State, etc. The bottom feeders. Go look at the rankings. There are like 120 teams for Div 1A. It’s mostly 70-120 where you can’t do anything about it.

            It’s proven teams who have been ranked even in the 30’s and 40’s can do well. UCLA is often well above this but yet can’t do as well as other teams.

            Even others are trying to tell you that you are wrong but you don’t listen.

      • EncinitasBruin

        I tried to reply but my post didn’t go through because I added a link… So, recap: I meant to say UCLA was picked to finish fourth or fifth in the conference by the media (which is true–you can google it). I am not suggesting that recruiting is the full answer, and believe it’s both recruiting and much better player development. Where we may disagree is on Rosen: I do believe it was the right move to start him. He was the obvious best choice, even in the spring. Our excellent run game should be producing more first downs and TD s than it is. Our top three RBs are averaging over 5 yards per carry! That’s on Mazzone.

        Now, beat Cal–they are very beatable.

        • 88 Straight

          That is correct, EB. Some miss the obvious. Cal is beatable. However, if LT Conor McDermott is unavailable, it is another costly loss.

          • EncinitasBruin

            So true about Mengel. I just can’t believe we can’t find a better punter out there. Come on, a juco guy? He’s the weakest punter we’ve had in more than a decade, and it hurts. (Don’t get me started on Searle.)

          • 88 Straight

            Bruins have a punter coming in next year as a true freshman. Maybe he needs to redshirt!

          • EncinitasBruin

            LOL

          • MPPBruin

            No joke, but we need a better punter. Stanford had good field position too many times.

          • 88 Straight

            And poor kickoff coverage. Penalties. Phantom offensive interference call. Poor tackling. 2 injuries on the OL during the game plus a thin D. And we lost because of a freshman QB? I am sure Jerry would have pulled out the win!!!

          • MPPBruin

            This game was miserably on so many levels. I wouldn’t put QB play in the top 5 of things that I would have improved. To Rod, there is no problem on this team that can’t be scapegoated onto the freshman. If Benenoch gets hit with a holding penalty its because he can’t trust Rosen. To paraphrase A Few Good Men, maybe if we work hard enough we can get Rosen charged with the Kennedy assassination.

          • Laker Rod

            I didn’t say Benenoch got the penalty because of Rosen but Benenoch started to pile on the penalties when Fred Ulu Perry entered the game….

            Also…an inexperienced QB can throw off the timing off his linemen. Just keep that in mind.

            And I would put QB play in the top 5 things which need improvements. Rosen cannot be opening up games with pick 6’s.

            You and others need to understand the importance of QB play as it relates to UCLA. I repeat…UCLA has NEVER been a team historically that can simply get by with a QB “managing” the game. At least Jim Mora said that he wasn’t holding Rosen back with anything. However..what he spoke previously and what he and Mazzone did against ASU and even Stanford are totally different.

            Against ASU..UCLA continually tried to run the ball with Perkins. They had no faith or trust in Rosen throwing on 1st down that game nor did they trust him keeping the ball and running which is part of what makes the read option work.

            Against Stanford…Mora and Mazzone continue to show they do not trust Josh Rosen running the ball.

            Did anybody notice the time that Stanford turned the corner was when Kevin Hogan actually hurt his leg against USC. USC was killing Stanford earlier. Hogan is a tough QB. QB’s need to be tough. They need to bounce back up after getting hit. Pat Cowan got drilled by Rey Maualuga. He bounced right back up. Teammates rallied all around him.

            Right now Rosen is not a tough QB. He’s got a glass jaw. Almost every time he runs he comes up gimpy. The coaches don’t even trust him to run. When coaches display non-confidence in a player bad things happen.

            This is again why I wanted Rosen to redshirt. He need that year to become bigger stronger faster and tougher. I wanted to see Rosen at a solid 6’4 220 instead of a frail 6’4 205. Imagine if Rosen can truly run some and take a hit and bounce right back up. It opens up so many more passing lanes for Rosen.

            I’m not even sure if this can happen though for next year. He’s getting so beaten up right now.

          • Laker Rod

            Trying to blame the refs when the score is 56-21. LOL!!!!

            The true frosh QB set the tone by throwing a pick six. You’re just in denial Mrs Rosen.

          • 88 Straight

            Yep. It was clear I blamed the regs for a 3 TD defeat. You need tutors for reading.

          • Laker Rod

            You did blame the refs like a bunch of other bruin crybabies like yourself. Why even bring up the refs. It made no difference.

          • 88 Straight

            Guess you don’t understand blame either.

            The refs were bad. That’s a statement.

            Your Mommy claiming she got pregnant with Laker Rod because she drank too much? That’s an excuse.

            Understand the difference?

          • Laker Rod

            Refs were bad..LOL!! UCLA coaching, execution, and play was worse.

            More personal attacks as usual.

          • 88 Straight

            You complaining about personal attacks is a beautiful example of irony.

            Google that!

          • Laker Rod

            Where is the personal attack lately? I repeat..I only rip you for your mental deficiencies related to football. You start bringing up low class personal attacks like mother and stuff. Come on man.

            You got beaten so bad in our debate…you have no choice to stoop to the level you do now. You even had to change names. LOL!!!

          • 88 Straight

            The name change had to do with posting on the SC board and nothing to do with you. Some guys thought it insulting to SC so I changed it out of respect.

            You love to think you are the center of the universe which explains your level of maturity. You call everyone, idiot, moron and dummy and then cry foul over a “personal” attack. It is what it is. You are a child needing approval. 10 minutes to Wapner, Rain Man!

          • Laker Rod

            Sure dude. Likely excuse. LOL!!! Sucks being you. HA HA HA!!!!

          • 88 Straight

            Yes. You are a child. My guess is Aspergers. Hope you get some treatment.

          • Laker Rod

            I’m not the one who had to changes names. LOL!!! Want to get away? HA HA HA!!! I’m enjoying this 🙂 We all can see you are hating this. Better watch your stress level. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            You are simply a fool. A lying, illiterate fool with no life.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Stress level rising 🙂 Maybe you need to seek help. Ha ha ha!!! Oh…I’m enjoying this. Sucks being you.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! You must be going beserk in your shack. I hope you have not taken up drinking. 🙂

          • gotroy22

            You man the face painter punter?

          • Laker Rod

            Rosen did not need to play. It’s just like how Luck didn’t need to play his true frosh year despite Stanford even having a worse season.

            There you go again with your “upside” argument again. Luck had better upside than Pritchard right?

            Caleb Benenoch has plenty of “upside” as a true frosh. How is this working out? Kenny Lacy as a redshirt sophomore seems way more disciplined and uses better technique. Is Lacy as talented as Benenoch? I for one do not think so but Lacy sure as heck doesn’t get as many penalties as Benenoch does and Benenoch has way more starts. Redmond is a penalty machine also. Both have bad reps with the refs.

          • 88 Straight

            It’s clear from your life that the concept of “upside” doesn’t register.

            Brehaut over Hundley. Oh brother!

          • Laker Rod

            You always don’t address the point. Luck didn’t play his true frosh year.

            It’s like you saying Pritchard over Luck…oh brother! Listen to yourself.

          • 88 Straight

            Did you ever think that maybe they SHOULD have played Luck as a true freshman? Maybe Harbaugh wishes he had. You have no idea. They would have gotten 4 years out of him instead of 3. Pritchard was also a decent QB. Neuheisel is a good holder with a bright mind and a weak arm. The idea that it was a close decision was all for show.

            And you STILL try to justify Brehaut over Hundley with the benefit of hindsight. Hundley wasn’t a true freshman at the time. We had already seen the other 2 QBs struggle. You just prefer experience to an extreme amount over talent. Some people love the seniority system while others prefer the merit system. They love your thought process in government jobs.

          • Laker Rod

            You still trying to argue this point when another poster already agreed with me?

            The other poster even said..Stanford had more of an option to redshirt Luck because nobody was necessarily expecting a big season.

            The bottom line is that Luck who was even a better player and more ready than even Rosen didn’t play as a true frosh. It’s why Harbaugh is a great coach and Mora is still trying to get there.

            All you do is try and twist things around to mask your deficiencies. I never said the majority of UCLA’s losses to Stanford were because of true freshmen. Make some sense. It’s amazing how deep will outright lie.

            You should change names again. You have made a complete fool of yourself.

          • 88 Straight

            He didn’t agree with you. He said partially depending on the circumstances and that based on those circumstances Rosen should be the starter. READING COMPREHENSION, Rod. Dim..very dim!

          • Laker Rod

            He did agree with me. He’s even tried to point out to that he agrees with what I am saying related to redshirting. You are just in denial yet again. Others are joining in. NOBODY is coming to your defense.

            You need to change names again or go on probation. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            You can’t read. Illiterate.

          • Laker Rod

            Typical come back. You know what he said to you. Nobody is behind you anymore. It’s like a fight. You think you have all these backers but then you look behind you and nobody is there so you run away. LOL!!! 🙂

          • 88 Straight

            Truth hurts. You are alone in your opinion. Maybe Jack will present your list of demands to Coach Mora.

          • Laker Rod

            Yes…truth hurts for you 🙂

            I repeat..Bruins could have been sitting 3-0 in conference play at this point with Rosen having 15 TD’s to 2 interceptions after 6 games. This isn’t reality though. Too much wishful thinking on your part. YOU WERE WRONG and Jim Mora and his staff were wrong.

            We’ll see if he’s dumb enough and stubborn enough to yet again go with another true frosh drop back QB at some point. Who will UCLA’s QB be after Rosen? You believe Mora will put himself in this position again? Answer YES or NO.

            You think Mora plans on getting more linemen? YES or NO. You think he has enough linemen at this point. YES or NO.

            You probably won’t even answer. LOL!!

        • Laker Rod

          Are you truly serious about this? 4th or 5th? How could this be with 18 returning starters and whoever was the QB was being handed the keys to a Ferrari.

          If we were only supposed to finish 4th or 5th then why are so many fans upset?

          Explain to me exactly the reason as to why the team dropped to a 4th or 4th in the conference spot? Was it because we decided to start a true frosh QB? This wasn’t the tone when I tried to argue with certain individuals that it will be tough for UCLA to win a conference championship going with a true frosh QB. There were many fans claiming that Rosen was already a better passer than Hundley. Is this true? Let’s face it…Rosen has thrown some nice passes but we should have all known he was going to be up and down. Consistency is what is important.

          I still disagree with going with Rosen. Had we gone with Neuheisel the team would still be 4-2 right now. We were not going to win a championship anyhow.

          Go back to the year Stanford redshirted Andrew Luck. Do you not think there were Stanford fans wanting him to play as a true frosh? Harbaugh resisted and maybe the better point was that Luck was okay with redshirting. Rosen was not.

          There is this constant need and fix for UCLA Bruin fans as well as USC Trojan fans for instant satisfaction where they are usually not satisified. They want success NOW….both have no patience to develop players. The same goes with each coaching staff. Two USC head coaches have been fired because they believe in this win now mentality and they tried to win on simply talent alone. Too many mistakes too many selfish players and too instant satsification for many and they get complacent.

          • EncinitasBruin

            Yes, on Pac 12 Media Day (July 30, 2015 –before Rosen was officially named the starter), the P12 journalists picked UCLA to finish behind SC, Oregon, Stanford, and Arizona State. Overall, the Bruins received the FIFTH amount of votes from the P12 journalists to win the conference. Disqus won’t let me share the link; just google “pac 12 media football predictions 2015”. The article is on the Pac 12 dot com site.

            So many fans are upset because they are fans 🙂 My homer side hoped that with all those returning starters and the return of the P12’s leading rusher and a veteran OL, we could ride our rushing attack to a 10-win regular season and a P12 championship shot. However, the rationalist in me feared–having looked at other programs’ track records when starting true freshman QBs (see SC and Barkley in ’09, for example)–that 9-4 would be a successful campaign with an 18 year old kid at the helm. I also remember Tommy Maddox and Cade McNown’s freshman campaigns (though Maddox was a redshirt freshman when he took the helm, and McNown didn’t become the starter until the fourth or fgame in his true freshman year).

          • MPPBruin

            The idea of instant gratification is important, but I want to hear people say explicitly that they’re willing to go through some 7-5 seasons playing less talented players while more talented players redshirt. There is going to be a tradeoff. You cant bench guys who are winning competitions in practice and still get the best possible results on the field.

            Personally, I’d be willing to do it. UCLA is good, but not great now. Being close, but so far away is excruciating. I have a lot more fun when the team is OK or very good. Right now the games just produce anxiety. Reshirting more players will lead to more boom and bust cycles. They were talking about it during the Iowa/Northwestern game earlier today.

            In general UCLA fans need to get over this idea that this is going to be THE year and its our only shot to win.

          • Laker Rod

            If you think about it…it’s kind of too late now. My point was if the first season was 7-5…in 2012 most would have seen this as a step in the right direction….especially if this followed with 10 wins in 2013. The key is getting guys to stay.

            And finally somebody gets it. You said it. UCLA fans need to get over this idea that “THIS” season was going to be “THE” year. It was NEVER going to be the year with a true frosh drop back QB.

            When people say Rosen is the future…this means NOT playing in the “present”.

            How do people see Rosen now? Sure he still has a lot of potential but he got to cut down on the mistakes and he has to become a leader.

            ProbationU/88 Straight has gone into hiding.

      • 4Stringer

        Ferrari, can’t stop a diesel truck

        • 88 Straight

          And they break down a lot. Very high maintenance. Not miuch good in the Baja 1000 either!

      • Clown U

        Well well well. Laker rod the king of the clown college returns. Show them. We are the kings.

      • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

        Rosen’s not the reason the defense can’t stop anyone, and he’s not responsible for calling the plays against ASU.

        He hasn’t let the team down, the Ferrari has.

        You’re desperate for Rosen to fail so that you can gloat that your redshirt nonsense was justified.

        Please, have some dignity.

        • Laker Rod

          Rosen is responsible for the 3 and outs which puts the defense in bad field position and also makes the defense tired. Throwing a pick 6 doesn’t help. Throwing interceptions don’t help.

          Rosen is responsible for what his limitations are. He can’t run effectively so it changes the play calling.

          Wake up. You’re just in denial making up excuses and deflecting blame elsewhere. Please…have a clue.

          • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

            Rod, none of the criticisms you cite have anything to do with redshirting.

            Even NFL quarterbacks make the same errors and have the same limitations.

          • Laker Rod

            If Rosen redshirted and was better prepared for next year…he would have less 3 and outs and would be throwing less interceptions. Not sure which part of this you cannot understand. Rosen seems to be picking up bad habits learning under fire.

    • Muleboy

      Mora talks a better game than he coaches
      Predicted as 2d in the South with a shot at first depending on QB play
      Notre Dame beat up So.Cal down 7 starters playing a 3d string frosh QB
      Lets see if CJM can dominate Troy again, injuries or not
      Mora has taken Bruin Nation a long way, but there are many miles left before we play for a NC

      • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

        “we” Mule? You don’t sound like a “we” at Inside USC.

      • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

        “we” Mule? You don’t sound like a “we” at Inside USC:

        5 Though ill conceived, trotting down to the field to confront bad refs further endeared Pat in my eyes. He is a fierce fierce competitor, only for USC, and it showed.

        insidesocal [.] com/usc/2015/08/24/uscs-sarkisian-media-plan/#comment-2213086414

    • http://amillennialist.blogspot.com Santiago Matamoros

      Rosen is not the reason that the defense can’t stop anyone, and he’s not responsible for the play-calling against ASU.

      He’s made errors, but every quarterback does. His only freshman mistakes (that I’ve seen) were his two “flag football” (I think he called them) plays against BYU.

      Losing the best linebacker/athlete in the nation and one of the country’s best defensive lineman would end just about any team’s chance at the pseudo-championship.

      Take two of the best players off any team, and their playoff chances are done. Imagine the Broncos without Peyton Manning or the Patriots without Tom Brady. Miles Jack can change a game in an instant on either defense or offense. Having Vanderdoes in the game means that Clark can’t be double-teamed as easily. The defensive line is the anchor of the defense. No, D-line, no chance.

      No college football team is deep enough to lose players the caliber of Jack and Vanderdoes and still contend for a championship.

  • Tommy B Low Us

    Tyler Scott with a torn acl now too? I am not sure I have ever heard of such a snake bit season. Now is the time to keep pressing forward and hope for no more injuries.

    • 88 Straight

      It’s a tough year with the injuries. No doubt about it.

      If form follows, we will win 4 straight heading into Utah. It doesn’t look good, however we have tended to go on mini-win streaks after losing 2 in a row under Mora. It will take a great effort to get the win vs. Cal.

      • Tommy B Low Us

        They make all these rules about targeting, and make it harder to tackle higher up without risk of getting ejected. Now they get all these guys with torn acl and leg injuries. Pick your poison I guess. Now doubt about it… it is a violent game.

      • EncinitasBruin

        The psychology of the Stanford-UCLA rivalry right now is just brutal. We have only played them well once in those eight tries–the 24-27 ’12 P12 title game. On the other hand, I think we match up well against Cal; I see a W Thursday night. The Bruins have not lost three in a row since the end of the ’12 season (Stanford, Stanford, Baylor).

        • Laker Rod

          Back in 2012…we had a freshman QB. We have a freshman QB yet again…true frosh this time and one who cannot run. Look back through the history. The majority of UCLA’s losses are from freshman quarterbacks.

          • Clown U

            These UCLA people are just not getting it. Please submit in spreadsheet form.

          • EncinitasBruin

            Read what I just posted 10 minutes ago below, in the link where we are talking about this subject…

          • Clown U

            No Rodney. You need to list the history. They will never get it without you assistance.

          • 88 Straight

            Really? The majority of UCLA’s losses in history are from freshmen QBs? Could be the dumbest statement of all your dumb statements in history!!

          • Laker Rod

            More have started since after 1998 than ever in the history of its program and it’s the worst drought ever for a non-championship. Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            You said more losses than ALL QBs in history. Just dumb.

          • EncinitasBruin

            Pasted in from another post earlier today:

            So many fans are upset because they are fans 🙂 My homer side hoped that with all those returning starters and the return of the P12’s leading rusher and a veteran OL, we could ride our rushing attack to a 10-win regular season and a P12 championship shot. However, the rationalist in me feared–having looked at other programs’ track records when starting true freshman QBs (see SC and Barkley in ’09, for example)–that 9-4 would be a successful campaign with an 18 year old kid at the helm. I also remember Tommy Maddox and Cade McNown’s freshman campaigns. Maddox was a redshirt freshman when he took the helm (when the ’90 Bruins went 5-6), and McNown didn’t become the starter until the fourth game of his true freshman year, when the Bruins went 7-5, and 4-4 in conference.

            With those stats, it made me a little leary of thinking too highly of this year’s team’s chances at a championship–conference or otherwise.

          • 88 Straight

            The simplistic comparisons that don’t look at the other 21 players, coaches, etc. are crazy. Our 2 losses have more to do with the OC against and poor run defense and penalties (Stanford). We have half a season to play, have possibly added Deon Hollins, Alex Redmond and Conor McDermott to the injury list and are trying to blame the QB? Insanity in my view.

            Is Oregon losing solely on QB play? Have injuries not affected them? They were picked to win the North. Stuff happens.

          • Laker Rod

            Where were just 1 month ago or previous when I’ve been arguing ad nauseum whith such stubborn individuals like ProbationU/88 Straight who had unrealistic expectations pertaining to Josh Rosen and true freshmen.

            The guy had to change his name because he’s been proven so wrong.

          • 88 Straight

            39 losses to Stanford and the majority are from freshman QBs?

            Care to back that up?

          • Laker Rod

            Make some sense. The majority of UCLA’s losses from a program standpoint pertains to freshman. Go look at their winning percentages compared to other non-freshmen.

            You’re a typical guy when one loses the general concept argument has to start to resort to nitpicking everything to death and try to make false accusations.

            You have even moved on talking about “redshirting players” vs “playing the best players regardless of class”….because you even see others agreeing with my point.

            You’re a lost cause. It’s no wonder you changes names.

          • 88 Straight

            Sorry. You said the majority of losses to Stanford were because of freshman quarterbacks. We have lost to Stanford 39 times. We have played 7 freshman quarterbacks in history. If ALL of them played and lost to Stanford that would be 7 losses out of 39. A majority of losses would be 20. There would have to be another 13 losses by freshman QBs for your statement to be true. However, that would be impossible. Make sense? Math is pretty simple. Perhaps you need a calculator?

            My position on redshirting hasn’t changed. Play the best player. A true freshman should seldom be your best player if you have adequate quality depth. These ideas aren’t mutually exclusive. Do you know what that means? It means that you can play the best player and still be redshirting the vast majority of freshmen because you have enough players in the pipeline that have improved so that true freshman will seldom be the best. Perhaps you have problems with gray areas.

            The reason we play Rosen is that we don’t have quality depth at QB to afford us the luxury of redshirting him.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Just making up stories.

            You’re now twisting around your position because you’ve been proven wrong. LOL!!!

            So now you say play the best player even if true frosh but then you say…you can play the best player and still redshirt the vast majority of freshmen. LOL!!!

            All you are doing is agreeing with what I originally told you but you tried to argue against. Oh brother.

            Explain why we don’t have quality depth at QB. It was by choices and decisions by Mora and the coaching staff. Come on. Wake up. Quit making up excuses.

            We didn’t get anybody else other than Aaron Sharp in 2014. That was Mora’s decision. It was Mora who didn’t get anybody at QB in 2012 also. We are talking viable candidate. Not a QB like Fuller who converts to WR. Same thing with Sharp. CHOICES. Wake up.

            It was Harbaugh’s choice to go with Pritchard. It was Harbaugh’s choice to go with an Iowa transfer. Wake up

          • 88 Straight

            Such a little liar. Don’t you have a Star Trek or Comic book convention to go to. You can’t even keep your lies straight. Stupid and dishonest isn’t a good combination.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Let that anger burn. 🙂 I actually feel sorry for you….wait…no I don’t . LOL!!! You deserve every bit of this.

          • 88 Straight

            You are like the little kid in the aisle of the store that wants the Lucky Charms and keeps whining….”Why Mommy….shy can’t I get my way?”

            The truth is, I feel sorry for you. Find a girl. Stop making lists. I know you have never been with a woman. Fess up! It’s true. Laker Rod…the 30 something virgin! Loser.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Let the anger burn. 🙂 Who’s smiling and who is not. HA HA HA!!!!

          • 88 Straight

            BREHAUT!! LOL

          • Laker Rod

            Oh..so you try to laugh now huh 🙂 Doesn’t work. We all know you are butt hurt. You had to change your name Probation. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            I never stop laughing at your ignorance. Brehaut baby! The gift that keeps on giving. Let’s sit Hundley and play the guy that couldn’t beat out Kevin Prince!

          • Laker Rod

            I said play Brehaut/Prince to start with and bring Hundley off the bench and work him in…but of course you love to twist everything around.

            It’s no different than this year. I said play Jerry..redshirt Rosen….we weren’t going to win any conference championship this year anyways. I was right yet again.

            We still can’t win a conference championship. Sad. Too many people like you with their kooky beliefs. Yeah…let’s play the best players regardless of class. Yeah…let’s play true freshmen…we’re bad and tough. LOL!!! What a joke. Gets slaughtered by Stanford yet again…gets beaten by ASU. Two teams who follow what I preach. Same with Utah also. They have older guys on their team. Less talented older players out of HS whipping more talented younger players out of HS (UCLA and USC).

          • 88 Straight

            Brehaut or Prince. You think that explanation makes it better? You have a dizzying intellect!

          • Laker Rod

            You just admitted you LIED. 🙂

          • 88 Straight

            Yeah, sure I did. Prince over Hundley is just the same as Brehaut. You would start the guy that lost 50-0 to SC or Brehaut and somehow that makes you smarter?

            Keep searching for an explanation of your ridiculous analysts.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! You don’t even deny I said bring Hundley off the bench and bring him in slowly. Shows you LIED yet again.

          • 88 Straight

            And you think THAT makes it better? Give him less reps and slow down his development. Brilliant again, Rodney! What a sharp analysis!!

          • Laker Rod

            Per you…Josh Rosen can run this year. LOL!!! This is what you claimed. UCLA can run the ball at will. This what you claimed. WRONG! You’re always wrong.

            At least try to come up with something truthful where I was incorrect on. You can’t..which is why you make up lies.

          • 88 Straight

            What were you incorrect on? You are still going with Brehaut or Prince. And there are several things you have been incorrect on. I’m just too bored to point them all out again, such as me saying we could run the ball at will. You just make this stuff up and I am tired of talking to a fool.

          • Laker Rod

            Oh…so now you admit I said Brehaut or Prince? You can’t even keep up with your own LIES. Can’t admit I said Brehaut or Prince to “start” the season? EXPOSED yet again.

            You don’t even deny what I accuse you of. Claiming Josh Rosen can run this year. LOL!!

          • 88 Straight

            There is no difference between Brehaut or Prince. Neither one should have started ahead of Hundley for even one game in 2012. Just a stupid analysis which disqualifies you from commenting.

            Rosen has run for a TD and a couple of 1st downs. The staff doesn’t seem to want him to run for fear of injury and lack of trust in his backup, the guy YOU want to start. Your QB selections are Brehaut, Prince and Neuheisel. Brilliant.

          • Laker Rod

            Sure there is a difference. It proves you make up LIES.

          • Laker Rod

            Don’t deflect. You can’t even deny you said Rosen can run. LOL!! Want to get away?

          • 88 Straight

            Rosen had a nice 8 yard scramble last night. They don’t want him running and risk injury because he is FAR better than his backup. I said he wasn’t a runner but can run. He seldom needs to. He can run every bit as well as the guy you want to be playing right now.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! You can’t explain why we have no QB depth. Just make up excuses and continue with the personal attacks. Better seek help. Ha ha

          • gotroy22

            Did Rudy Bukich also lose to Stanford?

          • 88 Straight

            It was Steve Bukixh and I have no idea. Little Rodney has math issues.

      • Kurt Wong

        I doubt we will beat UTAH… let’s get back into reality.. with the past two games played… who are we kidding….

      • gotroy22

        You seriously think you will beat Cal? That will be a worse beat down than the ASU game. I predict the Rams Fans will head for the exits at halftime.

        • EncinitasBruin

          Who has Cal beaten? A mediocre Washington team that beat a mediocre SC team?

    • gotroy22

      It’s the Melsby Curse. He was your big 5 star WR from Los Al who fumbled away the ASU game, causing the ruin team that year to spiral downward. You have been cursed since 1995. Every year it is something. I just wait for what it will be and how it will happen. You even win 20 games in a row and yet don’t win a NC. That is amazing. And your marching band began playing Movin’ On Up that same year!

      • Clown U

        I think it the OJ. Curse. We are the true killers of the midway.

        • gotroy22

          That was in 1994.

      • EncinitasBruin

        Wasn’t a fumble. Have watched the clip a dozen times. Knee was down.

        • gotroy22

          But back then there was no instant replay.Melsby began his career as a fumbler at ASU and ended as a fumbler at Miami. And you remain cursed today, losing your two star players.

  • gotroy22

    You ruins should ban the playing of “Movin On Up”. Your band has played that song since 1995 and all you do is spin around in circles like a pinwheel.

    • 88 Straight

      Now you can be accused of trolling both sites!

      • gotroy22

        Don’t you think that after all those years of failure your marching band should try a new song?

        • 88 Straight

          First I don’t care about the band. Second, given that your band only plays 3 tunes plus the national anthem, I find that humorous.

          • gotroy22

            But none of our admittedly repetitious songs are a parody of our program. You certainly haven’t Moved On Up in twenty years!

          • 88 Straight

            Conquest sounded a little funny at ND.

    • Clown U

      We have our terrible king enters the room song we play over and over again. In fact, I wish we could play it all the time everyday. Clown on?

      • gotroy22

        Yo mean the march from 1947’s “Captain From Castile” starring Tyrone Power?

    • EncinitasBruin

      A respite from “Fight On” might allow you to keep a coach for more than two years and beat your crosstown rival before my four-year-old dog dies (she’s a Chihuahua – they have a 14-year life expectancy).

      Collapse On!

      • 88 Straight

        SC has contracted with Über to meet every team plane upon its return in case Haden wants to can another coach.

        • EncinitasBruin

          Download the app, SC-Coach-To-Be. Beat the crowds out of Terminal 6!

        • gotroy22

          But will Ishmael Adams be moonlighting as the Uber driver? And why, with all your troubles, won’t Mora restore Adams as your kickoff and punt returner?

      • gotroy22

        But we played Fight On during good times and bad. Your “Movin’ On Up” song is pathetic on so many levels, least of which is it was written by two Jewish songwriters appropriating black culture. Your PC Police should be demanding you cease and desist for that alone.

  • 92104bruinfan

    Well if Jack gets to post 3 thoughts about UCLA football, I’ll throw out my 3 humble takes on the current state of UCLA football in general.

    1. Depth: It’s not quite there just yet in some areas of the team. Yeah, losing guys like Jack and Vanderdoes who will likely be playing on Sundays hurts but the fall-off in play shouldn’t be that dramatic. As 88 Straight pointed out below, recruiting AND development is a must year in and year out. This team is STILL relatively young and is still evolving.

    2. Defense: When Mora was hired, I thought defense was going to be a high point of emphasis given his background. For various reasons, that has not translated itself into on-the-field performance yet. I do think hiring Tom Bradley was a solid hire despite the porous effort Thursday night. Hopefully stability at the DC position and developing the young players and incoming recruits will pay dividends.

    3. Execution: Various writers and commentators including Jack (I think) have made note of this but the continual issue of racking up penalties has to stop. This is especially glaring when going against the Stanfords of the world who put a premium on limiting self-inflicted errors. Yeah, I get it you want players to play aggressive but an aggressive mindset coupled with cutting down penalties are not incompatible concepts. From this outsider fan’s perspective, this has not been a point of emphasis for Mora & co. based on game results the past 3.5 years.

    All in all, 8-10 win seasons, top 25 rankings, and staying in the top part of the Pac 12 isn’t a bad place to be. But from the players to the coaches to the fans and alums, we all want more. Go Bruins!

    • Laker Rod

      1. You have to ask yourself why we do not have the depth. Is this missing depth on defense? Why does Mora allow guys like Priest Willis and Jaylen Ortiz transfer out. They would have been playing plenty. If they were developed properly…they would indeed be better than any younger guys.

      Some folks thought Ortiz and Willis transferred out because supposed younger guys beat them out. Doesn’t appear to be the case at all. Those true frosh or even redshirt frosh are hardly playing.

      2. As far as the defense goes…the defensive coordinator carousel is a joke. 3 DC’s in 4 years. This is the problem. I’m willing to give Bradley another few years but he has to start fixing the D line issue and the 3-4 needs to be adjusted at times.

      3. You can’t just say the penalties have to stop. You have to understand why they are occuring. For the O line…Benenoch and Redmond are continual penalty machines. They have not learned how to stop their bad habits and reputation. It’s easy for refs to make calls against them. Ulu Perry made his fair share of mistakes also. Yet another true frosh on the Oline. You have to be kidding me. Every freakin’ year Mora has had a true frosh play on the O line. What a joke. Where is Poasi Moala.

      • 88 Straight

        Are you sure the penalties on Benenoch and Redmond weren’t Rosen’s fault? Maybe having a true freshman QB is the REAL problem on the O-line. Maybe If Neuheisel was playing it would be different. Yet it seems they made the same mistakes with Hundley.

        Perhaps it is really a problem with the O-line coaching?

        • Laker Rod

          Sarcasm yet again? There is plenty of blame to go around. Klemm does not get a free pass at all. He’s responsible for playing the amount of young players he has. The O line is still a weakness after supposedly looking strong earlier.

          Doesn’t help Benenoch when he isn’t comfortable with a true frosh next to him in Ulu Perry. Doesn’t help having a true frosh QB either and even a true frosh running back. Oh brother….3 TRUE FRESHMAN! LOL!!! No wonder UCLA sucks!

          Where would this team be if Hundley stayed as a redshirt senior. He would not have thrown the pick six to open the game as a redshirt senior. Even a redshirt sophomore QB who has running ability…doesn’t need to force a pass like Rosen did.

          I repeat..the failure goes back to how Mora and Mazzone could not develop Asianti Woulard as a redshirt sophomore. He was a 4 star QB and talented. Had great speed as a runner and needed to develop his passing. Rosen is of course a way better pass but he’s not a better runner and he’s obviously not ready as a true frosh QB.

          • 88 Straight

            Considering that you agreed with Soso and Bolu playing as true freshmen because Manfro and Lee aren’t available makes your criticism of them playing hypocritical. Plus, Benenoch has said that blocking for a pocket QB is actually easier because you know where he will be.

            Still wanting to live in the past claiming Woulard should be playing. Given that you have NEVER seen him perform in a game, that is fantasy analysis. Whoever was going to play was going to struggle at times. Simple. None had ever started a college game.

            You have no idea why these kids transferred. However, it looks like more guys are red shirting this year. Which true freshmen that have played should have redshirted in your eyes?

          • Laker Rod

            No it doesn’t. It doesn’t mean all 3 true frosh have to play at the same time or carry such a heavy load.

            And again…you simply can’t admit that other coaches don’t go with a true frosh QB for good reason. Many are redshirting. It’s the way it’s done. Mora thought he was all bad and tough going with a true frosh
            QB. LOL!!!

            Any coach who goes with a true frosh QB in his 4th year in the program totally confirms he’s made mistakes in the past related to recruiting and developing. There is no denying any of this. The only way to justify the play of the true frosh QB thinking he is the best is to simply WIN! Two losses in a row now and one to a far less talented team in ASU. Deal with it. You can’t handle the truth. You are always wrong.

            Halalilo should have redshirted…right? Now he’s in a cast?

            Fred Ulu Perry should have redshirted. Why is he playing over Poasi Moala? Your dumb answer will be..ummm..because he is better? Ask yourself why is Perry straight out of high school better than a 4 star player who some said would start himself as a true frosh or redshirt frosh and is in his 3rd year with the program.

            If Najee Toran was so good to start as a true frosh…then where is he now?

            Go back to when Mariota could have played as a true frosh. Go back to when Luck was a true frosh. Same with Winston. Those coaches resisted for a reason. They had patience. Mora has no patience…it’s the reason why he is where he is at.

            You need to look at it this way. Back in 2012…let’s say Mora decided to redshirt Simon Goines and also Ellis McCarthy. Both had gimpy knees to start. Let’s say UCLA went with Brehaut instead of Hundley. Ian Taubler also redshirted let’s say and same with Kenny Orjioke. With all this the team still could have gone 8-5. You seriously think they would have gone like 4-8? Wake up.

            In 2013, Hundley is now the starting QB as a redshirt sophomore. Goines is now a redshirt frosh along with MCarthy who dropped weight because if he didn’t he knew he wouldn’t play. Ian Taubler is 6’4 240 and still a year away. Let’s say Darren Andrews redshirted. And out of Benenoch, Redmond, and Quessenberry…2 of the 3 redshirted. Kylie Fitts redshirted also.

            Of the 5 LB’s of 2013, instead of all playing as true frosh…4 of 5 redshirted. Only Jack played. Isaako, Hollins, Judge, and Brown all redshirted.

            Now..go back to some of the earlier classes. Kevin McReynolds 4 star would be a redshirt senior in 2015. Same for Brandon Tualiaupupu. We could have had starters and depth if these two guys were available. What you need to understand is Stanford developed their guys from 2011. If these guys were still playing and productive…UCLA would not have had to play both Dickerson and Tuioti Mariner as true frosh. They are obviously not good enough as true sophomores. Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            Get a life. It is either Rosen or Neuheisel. Which would YOU choose?

          • Laker Rod

            Typical lame come back. Neuheisel. Rosen should have redshirted. Rosen wasn’t going to save this season anyhow. I told you. You wouldn’t listen.

          • Clown U

            We just got schooled by Norte dame. We are not an elite team and will play in the toilet bowl this year. Laker rod we need to convince these UCLA people we can come back to full clown college glory.

          • gotroy22

            But it looks like we will defeat the ruins to end the streak at 3. Another blow out loss Thursday and the ruins are done.

          • 88 Straight

            Like your style. Throw in the towel and declare defeat before week one. Hey team, we aren’t going anywhere this year so we are starting our 2nd best QB.

            Why not redshirt the entire 1st team and save them for next year? You are a brilliant strategist!

          • Laker Rod

            Stanford played Pritchard and redshirted Luck. I’ll go with the smarter team who just destroyed UCLA.

          • 88 Straight

            Funny, I didn’t see Luck on the field and he had nothing to do with the game this past Thursday night…but hey, you live in the past.

            It is clear you prefer less talented players by your arguments. Probably matches your own achievements or lack thereof.

          • Laker Rod

            You don’t get it. Stanford follows this philosophy and concept of redshirting players and guys waiting their turn. This philosophy and concept DESTROYED that of UCLA’s and your philosophy and concept of “play the best players regardless of class”.

            May I remind you…Stanford clobbered UCLA with a redshirt senior QB. This QB who has beaten UCLA 5 times decided to stay his final year.

            And you’ve totally lost it. I already said previously…if you’re going to be a 1st rounder…or even the No. 1 pick…yeah…fine ….LEAVE….YOU DESERVE it. DUH!! In addition, Luck and Stanford won a BCS bowl…the Fiesta Bowl and finished #7. Luck was also Pac-12 Player of the Year. 1st Team All America. Maxwell Award winner. Heisman runner up, etc.

            Did Brett Hundley have anything close to these? I don’t think so.

            And you obviously don’t get it. I prefer the more experienced and “developed” “smarter” talented player. YOU on the other hand and the UCLA and USC coaches continually prefer the lesser experienced but more “naturally” talented out of HS player and possible more potential. Guess which ones been winning.

            You just clobbered yet again just how Stanford’s philosophy and even ASU’s CLOBBERED that of UCLA’s. LOL!! Less talented teams out of HS clobbering more talented teams. Both UCLA and USC should be ashamed. USC more so since they year in and year out have more talent and have better choices and options as to whom they select. They obviously don’t put enough focus on the linemen recently. This wasn’t the case with Pete Carroll. He developed guys like Kenechi Udeze who was so over weight at 350 lbs it was ridiculous. Some how he motivated him to slim way down.

            The problem with the recent USC coaching staff is they put too much focus on the skill athletes and don’t have enough depth in the trenches.

          • 88 Straight

            You are delusional and a one trick pony. Carroll was known for playing younger players. His motto was play the best players.

            You said you would play the 2nd best QB this year because the team had no chance to win a title. You would pre-determine failure and send a message to the team that you don’t believe in them and their ability to win. That is a failure in leadership, IMO.

            That’s your opinion and we will never agree. I think it is the mindset of a non-competitor mentality. Any time you refuse to play the best and most qualified player, you have let down every player that signed on to your program. Spin your opinion and your facts however you like. You are a committee of one.

          • Laker Rod

            No he wasn’t. If you paid close attention to what Pete Carroll did you would know better. You’re just one of those rah rah fans who listens to the media and hype

            Pete Carroll didn’t start a true frosh QB when he first came to USC. He was smart enough to know Carson Palmer who was much maligned previously was his best option.

            Carson Palmer went 5-7 in 2001 and 6-6 but 5-1 his last 6 games in 2001. Carroll still stuck with Palmer in 2002 and he went on to win the Heisman trophy. Carroll didn’t go with a true frosh Leinart.

            In 2001, Carroll went with 3 senior RB’s. WR was Jr Kareem Kelly….even in 2002 Kelly was there. Sure younger guys stepped up but it wasn’t the core part of the team in any of his successful years.

            Every year Carroll won a conference championship was with an upper classman QB with the exception of Matt Leinart who was a redshirt sophomore. Wake up.

            Carroll also got lesser known guys to step up like Lofa Tatupu and even JC transfer guys.

            Jim Harbaugh is not using a true frosh QB at Michigan. He decided to use an Iowa transfer. Go look at the squad…is he winning with true frosh? Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            Carroll had options and depth. UCLA has no depth at QB. The depth argument against the staff is a valid one. Starting Jerry is not. Carroll would start Rosen over Jerry. If he had no other options. You said it earlier. Rosen is better but you would sacrifice this year by playing the weaker player, essentially throwing the season away. Nobody would make that choice given the circumstances at UCLA at the start of the year with 17 starters. Just lose, baby!

            Brehaut over Hundley. Oh brother!

          • Laker Rod

            Oh brother. Excuses. UCLA has no depth at QB because it’s their own fault. You even said yourself that the coaches didn’t do a good enough job in recruiting after Hundley.

            And we are comparing Mora’s 4th YEAR vs that of Carroll’s first year. If Carroll had depth it’s because he recruited properly. Quit making up illogical excuses.

          • 88 Straight

            I didn’t make excuses. I said that was a valid criticism of the staff with regards to QB recruiting.

            But now decisions have to be made based upon what we have to work with. Solving problems means dealing with what you have in the present, not dwelling on yesterday’s mistakes. And that then boils down to Rosen vs. Neuheisel. You wan’t Jerry. I think that is a mistake and that Rosen was the right choice given the circumstances.

            If you want to dwell on all the other stuff, feel free to do so. I agree that the staff had done a poor job recruiting QBs prior to Rosen. That is not illogical. Dwelling in the past is illogical and whining about mistakes already made won’t solve anything going forward.

            Quite simple really. I am sure you will have about 1000 words to rebut, but given that we agree on the QB recruiting, I can’t for the life of me figure out what new you might have to contribute that you haven’t already said countless times over.

          • Laker Rod

            You did make excuses. You said Pete Carroll had depth while Jim Mora did not. LOL!!! It’s his own fault Jim Mora has no depth at QB. You even admitted yourself way before! Wake up

          • 88 Straight

            Man you are dim. I stated the fact that Mora had no depth at QB. I didn’t excuse him from that fact. In fact if you read above, I said it was a valid criticism. Man, you need to learn to read, Rain Man.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!!! Explain why Mora has no depth at QB. It’s his own fault…which you even brought up earlier. LOL!!! You can’t even address this. Want to get away? LOL!!!

          • 88 Straight

            No need to address it twice.. Just stupid.

          • Laker Rod

            HA HA HA!! You can’t explain why Mora has no depth at QB? You criticized him earlier for it. LOL!!! Sucks being you. 🙂

          • 88 Straight

            Look back an read. I don’t do remedial reading for illiterate fools.

          • Laker Rod

            Lame. No explanation. Come on. Explain why no depth. LOL!!! More name calling by you. Anger management issues. 🙂

          • MPPBruin

            I actually sort of agree with Rod on this one, with some caveats. If the all other components of the team were good enough to win a championship, then I’d go with the QB that had enough top level potential to get us over the top (i.e. Rosen). If it were going to be another so-so year, then I’d rather save that asset for later when the odds were better and play the safe pick now.

            Stanford redshirting Luck was an easy choice because they were awful anyway. What did they lose by reshirting him? Nothing. Different story for us this year. After seeing Neuheisel for 3 years we know what his ceiling is. Though Rosen is unpredictable, he has a higher ceiling than Neuheisel. The decision to redshirt or not should always come down to what the other options are and the odds of success.

          • 88 Straight

            I guess that depends on whether you believe a QB will improve more by holding a clipboard and observing for a year or by gaining actual game experience. Also, I think you set a bad example to the team by sitting your better players that you aren’t trying to win.

            By the way, rod was also in favor of not starting Hundley as a redshirt freshman for the first few games in favor of Brehaut or Prince….so this is his own little peccadillo as it were.

          • MPPBruin

            My sense is that there has to be some gauge of how long the player is going to stay. Rosen will likely have the ability to leave after his third year at school, whether that’s being a true junior or a redshirt sophomore. I’d be surprised if there’s much precedent for QBs going any earlier. If that winds up being the case, then you definitely want him playing now, which accelerates growth rather than learning with the clipboard.

            As for player examples, based on what I read about fall camp Rosen didn’t exactly blow the doors off. Many writers noted that Neuheisel had better command of the offense and that Rosen looked shaky at times. I think bad examples would be a bigger concern if the spread were wider like it was between Hundley and Brehaut/Prince.

          • Laker Rod

            Redshirt sophomores do not leave these days so he would have been better off staying that extra year.

            I would rather have Rosen for his redshirt frosh, soph, and junior year…which is 4 years…he wasn’t going to leave after only 3 as a redshirt sophomore.

            We will NOT get the most out of Rosen now which is why UCLA continually falls short. Did we get the best out Ellis McCarthy? We only got 2.3 years from Myles Jack? We are not going to win this way. It’s proven. We are not winning championships. We don’t project to win even this year now.

          • MPPBruin

            Jameis Winston and Johnny Manziel both left after their redshirt sophomore seasons.

          • Laker Rod

            One won a national title…the other won a Heisman Trophy. One ended up being a No1 overall pick…the other was a 1st rounder and both are not doing so well. Winston has a 77 rating with 7 Td’s and 7 interceptions.

            One’s career is even in jeopardy. You think another GM is going to risk taking a redshirt sophomore? And gee….both were so good in college they ended up redshirting…why? Winston while still immature is also older than most. He was almost 21 years old as a redshirt frosh when FSU won a national championship.

            Are you trying to convince me that Josh Rosen is now going to win us a national title? I would first like to see a conference championship.

            And as I have said before…if UCLA is even conceiving to get at this national type level…how on earth can they get there when they don’t even redshirt enough guys. It can’t happen at this talent level alone. The players need to pass classes. UCLA is tough academic wise.

          • Laker Rod

            Yeah…which is why I asked you for proof of a true “sophomore” QB who started many games as a true frosh to see if that helped them. You couldn’t even name any successful true frosh QB’s who led their teams to conference championships.

            But yet we even see redshirt frosh QB’s winning conference championships more so than true sophomore QB’s.

            What you need to realize that often times by playing a player too early…they pick up bad habits and a bad reputation and they often lose confidence even with themselves and even among teammates. Wake up.

          • 88 Straight

            The QB isn’t the only position on the team. Just a stupid argument.

            If that were the case, I would expect a lot of college QBs that won NCs to have won Super Bowls. How come there have only been 2 QBs that have started on National Championship teams that have started a Super Bowl?

            Just keep living in Google world. If you are so smart, how come nobody agrees with your extreme position?

          • Laker Rod

            The QB position is very important in college football. We already went over this. You even lost the debate about NFL rookies vs true frosh QB’s.

            Your arguments are totally illogical now. Give it up. YOU GOT CLOBBERED. Just admit it. If UCLA was 3-0 in conference play and Josh Rosen was on fire…you would be partially right. I repeat…Matt Barkley was 6-0 to start with and USC was sitting at 6-1 at this time before the wheels fell off in 2009. Pete Carroll’s most disappointing year was with true frosh Barkley and he supposedly had the most talent out of any year!!

            This was supposed to be UCLA’s most talented team also. 18 returning starters but goes with a true frosh. Handing the keys to a Ferrari. It’s now predicted to be Jim Mora’s worst year. FAIL!

            It only took 6 games for me to be proven correct. LOL!! Like taking candy from a baby. LOL!!! YOU GOT DESTROYED and HUMILIATED which is why you changed names. HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            It doesn’t matter what happens from this point point forward unless you want to go out on a limb and predict that UCLA will still somehow win the South. UCLA’s still needs to beat Cal and others and even Utah and USC to have a remote shot. You obviously have no confidence. Do you? Chicken?

            If not…then admit YOU WERE WRONG!

          • 88 Straight

            It’s proven over 6 games? You certainly have no understanding of anything. Sounds like George Bush on the aircraft carrier claiming Mission Accomplished!

            Anyway, enjoy what you think is some victory. You sound rather child-like and needing that approval. so enjoy. I find you comical and very needy so I hope it gives you comfort. Maybe UCLA can lose all the rest of their games and make you real happy!

          • Laker Rod

            UCLA is now unranked dude after 6 games now. You of course have to resort to these same tactics. What’s the matter no high and mighty predictions? Why not? Do you not have confidence in Josh Rosen? Perhaps if Josh Rosen was a redshirt junior you might. Good/great QB’s over come deficiencies in other areas. Wake up.

            Next time think.

          • 88 Straight

            And that makes you happy. What a pathetic loser!! Please, go find another team. You sound like a Trojan anyway.

          • Laker Rod

            Another lame come back. Not happy at all. Frustrated because morons like yourself don’t get it.

          • 88 Straight

            Zzzzzz.

            Go find a woman you don’t have to inflate. You are a waste of time. Better yet, put together a list for everyone of all the women that you have dated outside your family. Did you get to 1?

          • Laker Rod

            Ha ha!! The depths as to how low you will go. LOL!!!

            Face it. Your actions in itself shows I was right and you were wrong. 🙂

          • 88 Straight

            Believe that if you like. You and I know what you are. And that is pretty sad. Rooting for UCLA to lose instead of finding anything positive in your life. So sad and pathetic. Then you have to lie to build yourself up. Pathetic.

          • Laker Rod

            LOL!! Yeah…I can feel your anger 🙂 5th rounder. Leaves early to be a 5th rounder. LOL!!! I guess UCLA didn’t have much to offer for him to stay.

            Let’s go over what Tim Tebow did:

            2006 – Played as a true frosh as a back up to Chris Leak. This was Urban Meyer’s choice. There were reports that Tim Tebow may be the starter. Nope. Florida won a national championship. Leak was Offensive MVP in the BCS championship game.

            2007 – Tebow won the Heisman Trophy. First sophomore to win.

            2008 – Tebow won a BCS championship. He came in 3rd for Heisman. He had the most 1st place votes though. Sam Bradford won the Heisman with Colt McCoy 2nd. Tebow won the Maxwell Award.

            Here is the key. After all of the above….he decided to stay for his senior year in 2009. Florida lost to Bama in the SEC championship game. Their only loss.

            Matt Leinart stayed for his senior year also.

            You look FOOLISH as usual.

          • 88 Straight

            Brehaut over Hundley explains it all. LOL

            You have no credibility. Anyone that would make that call has no business commenting at all. Case closed. Enjoy your imagined expertise.

          • Laker Rod

            It’s proven I know more than you. YOU were so embarrassed from being wrong you changed names. LOL!!

            You must be on the computer all the time. I feel sorry for you. Just an old man losing hair with all the stress. Ha ha!

          • 88 Straight

            You are smarter than me. I would have NEVER figured out that Brehaut was better than Hundley! What a brainiac!

          • Laker Rod

            Ah..nice you finally admit it 🙂 Thanks for the compliments.

          • 88 Straight

            Yes. You miss the sarcasm, RainMan.

          • Laker Rod

            You’re full of sarcasm but this one seemed real. 🙂

          • Laker Rod

            Yup. Explains you make up LIES. LOL!!! It’s no wonder you changed names. Want to get away? 🙂

          • 88 Straight

            Run from the truth. It suits you.

          • Laker Rod

            Time for you to change names ago. You’ll probably Monday QB again. All quiet prior to Cal game but probably be bragging afterwards. LOL!

          • 88 Straight

            Man you just hate a Bruin victory!

          • 88 Straight

            We were in the same position last year but we were healthy. The first six didn’t predict the season. But, nice to know you are rooting for failure. Quite a slimy little turd of a troll!

          • MPPBruin

            Yeah. Hundley never threw a pick six before…except in our loss against UTah last year. I love how even the penalty issues with a junior lineman is Rosen’s fault. Maybe its also Rosens’s fault that the defense gave up 200+ yards to McCaffrey. Your negativity on this kid has reached almost pathological levels.

          • Laker Rod

            Lame. He wouldn’t have thrown it as a “redshirt senior”..understand? He wouldn’t have also had he learn properly and patiently. Hundley picked up many bad habits himself.

            You can blame the horrible defense on too many young players. True soph Kenny Young to start with. He’s terrible. Dickerson and Tuioti-Mariner are also true sophomores. Kenny Clark is only a true junior and he did not dominate at all. Not sure what others are seeing. He still needs another year but will probably leave anyhow just to be 2nd rounder. Typical UCLA.

          • MPPBruin

            Given that you’ve established that Hundley had bad habits and didn’t develop properly I’m not sure why you think he’d be a transformed player this year. Obviously I’d prefer him to true freshman Rosen, but there’s a reason he fell to the 5th round.

          • Laker Rod

            Often times it takes as much as the last year to work all the bugs out. Drew Olson is a very good example. Everything came together for him his senior year. You see this with a lot of college players. Yes…some regress or don’t improve but most do. I think Brett falling to the 5th round demonstrates that he still needed another year.

            Carson Palmer is another good example of everything coming together his senior year.

            Also…considering how good a year Peyton Manning had his true junior year…he still decided to stay for his true senior year and finished with 36 Td’s vs only 20 Td’s his true junior year. He ended up being the No. 1 pick.

          • MPPBruin

            Incremental growth, rather than transformation is typically the pattern. I don’t doubt that Hundley would have improved with another year, but I wouldn’t say that he definitely wouldn’t throw another pick six. I tend to make predictions based on previous observations rather than assumptions about growth. Hundley had a lot of work when you looked at the pre-draft analysis.

          • 88 Straight

            Plenty of blame to go around…and yet you consistently point the finger at Rosen. It must suck to be you and be jealous of a kid that is much smarter and more talented than you will ever be.

          • Laker Rod

            Rosen deserves blame also. Quit trying to protect him Mrs Rosen.

          • 88 Straight

            Rosen’s share is much smaller than the other issues on the team. And Jerry Neuheisel is not the answer, Rick.

  • Ray

    Hi Bruins. I’m not trolling here. I think most of you know me from “Inside USC”. Welcome to our world. It sucks doesn’t it? You guys have a very talented team. I respect that. I also respect true Bruin fans. So if there is any USC TROLL out there, go away TROLL. Anyway, welcome to our world again.

    • 88 Straight

      It hasn’t been a great week in LA, Ray. That may be a bit of an understatement!

      Cal looks to be a big challenge and SC against Utah could be a problem, but as a UCLA fan we have been through this before and SC has as well. We need a win over Cal and an SC win over Utah for things to get more interesting.

      Unfortunately, the Bruin D has more holes than Swiss cheese. SC’s doesn’t look much better and it is difficult to win that way. No problem with you dropping by. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

      • gotroy22

        Wait I thought you had 10 starters returning on defense and recruited well. Where is the depth?

        • 88 Straight

          Actually 7 starters returned on defense and 3 of the best are injured. What’s your excuse for the play of your all-world secondary of Adoree Jackson and Iman Marshall?

          • gotroy22

            No excuse, that was shocking to watch them trailing Irish receivers all night and employ the intentional pass interference defense.

  • Laker Rod

    It’s hard to lead as a true freshman though. Rosen telegraphed the pick 6 also. He needs to look off the defenders better. I still think if he’s capable of running more to keep the defense the honest it can open up more of the passing game. He seems like he’s a year away from being able to do this though and not get hurt.