Muir’s super QB DeJon Williams suspended for Friday’s quarterfinal against Los Altos for controversial flag .. We’ve got video

Muir’s superstar quarterback Dejon Williams has been suspended for Friday’s huge Southeast quarterfinal at home against Los Altos because he received two taunting penalties, the second of which was caught on tape which resulted in his ejection in the final minutes of Muir’s 53-35 first-round victory over La Mirada. Per CIF rule, a player ejected must sit out the next game. What’s especially troubling is look at why he got the second taunting penalty in the video. Not sure why he got a flag. Williams points for a split-second to the sideline and then INNOCENTLY flips the ball to the referee after a touchdown. That’s a taunting penalty? Absolutely ridiculous. Horrible judgment, interpretation from the referee. It’s hard to imagine you would take away a players’ dream at a CIF title over something like this. Only the referee can rescind the decision, not CIF, and for this not to be rescinded after the fact for the sole purpose of DOING THE RIGHT THING, is horrible. But as of today, what’s in the referee report sticks. Williams is out. I’ll be honest, I doubt even Los Altos takes pleasure in this. Nobody wants to see anything like this happen to a player. It tarnishes was was building as one of the great quarterfinals between two storied and hungry programs. If this is taunting, then you might as well take the emotion out of the game altogether.

FROM CIF-SS SPOKESPERSON THOM SIMMONS: “The white hat, who has the ability and the power to rescind that ejection, is firm in his stance that the ejection is proper,” Simmons said. “The CIF-Southern Section considers the matter final and over. It’s not our place to have an opinion. Our place is to accept the report of the official and not second guess somebody who was actually on the field on the night of the event.”

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  • Conq ’76

    Wow, what bunch of Cr^&*$olla….I know any respectable school, especially one with a history as storied as Los Altos, takes zero pleasure in something like this happening.

    • RCSports

      I know Los Altos doesn’t, varsity coach.

      • Conq ’76

        Not sure what you mean by saying “Los Altos?” but for the sake of clarity, I would only want to compete against a team at its full strength if possible, if LA were to win because of this call, it deserves an asterisk. LA would not have won in 2000, 2001 or 2003 without Cody or Harwell. I of course would have been upset if they had been suspended for such a minor infraction costing the Conq’s a crown. However, if Charter Oak or OLU had won those games, they would have been tainted wins, to my mind. Injuries are one thing, but this sort o’ thing, where ref’s determine the outcome is disturbing.

  • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

    how long has Muir been known for being undisciplined? evidently the first taunting penalty didn’t mean anything…..from the video it’s hard to discern exactly what happened on the second “taunt” but,I’ll give the benefit of whatever doubt there is to the official….

    • FredJ

      The fact that you write “it’s hard to discern exactly what happened on the second taunt” is exactly why a White Hat, after looking back and considering the totality of the situation, should have rescinded this call later. The video isn’t vague, you see EXACTLY what happens.The White Hat had the chance to do the right thing, but he decided his decision should stand and that a player should be suspended for this. Absolutely horrible. This is why you have the opportunity to rescind decisions, to do the right thing.

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        it’s hard to tell exactly what happened …by the video the SGV put up…I’ll take the “white hat” who was there in person to make the correct call, obviously there was a gesture made to the opposing side…was there something said too? probably…it was the second taunting flag for the player in THAT game…evidently good sportmanship is neither taught(by the coaches) nor considered important by the players…have you talked to the official in question? do you even know what outside association he was from?

        • FredJ

          I’m trying to get that info but CIF isn’t releasing it,

          • AMAT 73

            Also ask what was the reason for the first penalty .

        • Go Deep

          I agree Galileo. From what we see in that video, he might be flipping the bird to the spectator on the sideline . That would be classified as taunting. We can’t hear what he says either. Other than that it looks clean.

  • El Cucuy

    That is taunting and it was the right call.

  • RealTalk

    Wow!!! I’ve seen kids do far more taunting than that and not even get flagged. This is ridiculous!!! A flag is one thing but to miss out on a game a playoff game, not only punishes that one player but the whole team. What a disappointment :-/

  • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

    Fred…do you know the exact verbiage from the rule book ? what is taunting? are you sure nothing was said ? please explain how you can say the official is wrong…you’ve never read the NFHS Football rule book,have you? so,in reality,you don’t know the rules,but you proclaim the official is wrong…..amazing!

    • FredJ

      It OBVIOUSLY wasn’t called for anything said. The flag is pulled from his pocket before he has a chance to say anything. The flag was for pointing to the sideline for a nanosecond. That’s it, a judgment call that some refs flag and some don’t.

      • Wells

        If this were the first offense, I would completely agree. It is taunting, but that is why there is a disciplinary process. Since the first taunt is not shown, we have no idea how bad it was. It may have been unbelievably disrespectful; making the second offense (no matter how minor) a worse offense.

        • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

          you’re correct again Wellsie…a wise man

        • FredJ

          If you wanted to call taunting by the letter of the law, you could call it on almost every play. How many times does a player make a great catch and pump his chest? That’s by the rule, taunting. As a ref, you have to use your judgment because it’s such an emotional game.

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            Pumping your chest is not “pointing at the other team’s sideline” Big difference. Celebrating with your team or by yourself without “pointing” to the opponent is fine….that is not “taunting” the opponent.

          • FredJ

            Have you looked at the video, show me ONE La Mirada player he was pointing too. I see four adults in plain clothes and Muir fans behind the stadium fence. And he glanced over there for a nanosecond.

          • Steve Ramirez

            Actually, that’s how these taunting rules came into being. Mark Gastineau used to do a sack dance, then the Rams’ Dennis Harrah pushed him, starting a free-for-all. Then their was was Dennis Thurman didn’t like how the Fun Bunch celebrated. All these taunting rules came into being to after celebrations became more elaborate.

          • FredJ

            Says who? Read the rulebook, that’s not what it says. What you are describing are judgment calls refs make all the time to determine whether infractions are excessive enough to warrant a penalty. That’s what this is all about.

            And where in the video is Williams pointing at his opponent? Show me, I’d like to see it.

          • AMAT 73

            FredJ,
            Not if he is not directing it to particular player . Taunting is directed at someone or the bench like holding out the ball when entering the endzone in the face of a defender . You are describing more of an excessive celebration which is penalty but nothing like taunting .

          • FredJ

            Both instances you described did not happen. Williams did not direct his hand at any player or coach from La Mirada. Look at the video, who was he taunting?

          • 12th man

            Unfortunately pounding your chest doesn’t carry as much weight as pointing does…When you point..you are singling out someone or something (person,place,or thing)

            Note to self: Point with closed fist lol..

          • FredJ

            Where in the rulebook does it say that pounding your chest doesn’t carry as much wait? Where does it say when you point, you’re singling out someone. These are assumptions you’re making.

            It’s further proof these are JUDGEMENT CALLS. You have to determine whether or not violating the letter of the law is excessive or not. Otherwise, by DEFINTION, pumping your chest or chest bumping in the end zone is taunting by the letter of the law. You can’t dispute that.

          • Wells

            Those are two different things. My point is that it was his second penalty for the same offense and jumping to a post about it being a horrible call, robbing a team in the playoffs is not the complete story.

            For all we know (and we were not close enough to know) he could have taunted them a couple of times before his first penalty. The officials may have told the coach they would flag anything that looked like taunting.

            From the video it looks very innocuous, but that may be taken out of context.

            And like others have said, the magnitude of the game and the skill of the player should not be a reason to overturn a call.

            Poor decisions by officials will always be part of the game. And I can give far too many instances of two officials interpreting the same rule differently.

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        so,OBVIOUSLY you talked to the official in question! and please post the rule in question in it’s entirety, so we all can come to the same conclusion that you have, …..you don’t know the rule,you’re watching a video with no sound, you haven’t talked to the official….but, you’re slamming the official…..

  • Gotcha

    There’s no place in High School Football for that kind of crap. Disrespecting your opponent by Showboating is that exact kind of thing that leads to bench clearing brawls. And in the end this game was stopped early due to a fight. Almost every game that I have been to in the last 10 years, when a kid decides to Showboat, he gets flagged.

    • FredJ

      I do not think for a second that rose to the level of showboating. On every play I see players talking to each other — after tackles, lining up, it’s football. They make a great catch and they pump their chests. A linebacker sacks the quarterback, he gets fired up and celebrates for a second.

      Whether or not you throw a flag for unsporsmanlike conduct on any of those decisions is up to the referee. It’s his judgement call to make.

      Williams pointed for a split-second then turned the ball over to the official. No harm, no foul. It happened so fast I think only the official looking to throw a flag for something like this, noticed.

      And in any case, the official has a chance to review, look at the totality of the situation and rescind his call knowing a players’ fate rests on that call.

      I don’t necessarily blame the official for making the call in the heat of the moment, but I do blame him for not rescinding in hindsight. There’s too much at stake to let a call stand that some officials make and some don’t.

      • LA Futbol

        “It happened so fast I think only the official looking to throw a flag for something like this, noticed.”

        Exactly Fred! And why was he “looking” to throw a flag? Because the kid had been taunting all game long. Kid’s gotta learn a hard lesson here, doesn’t he?

        • Inland_FB_Fan

          If he wouldn’t have gotten the FIRST flag, this would be a moot point. Why did he point @ the LaMirada sidelines PERIOD? Why, because he was taunting them. It doesn’t matter if it was 2 seconds or 30 seconds…he still did it. It was his SECOND taunting penalty. He deserves to sit. Kids just need to play the damn game and not worry about showboating like the NFL guys do.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Oh now you IE guys are now Letter of the law pushers too…give me a break!

          • Gotcha

            That’s not letter of the law, it’s common sense.

          • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

            Great point there SO CO. These kids need to be held accountable for there actions. And as soon as it affects the star player we want to change the rule. It is down move on,well at least until Muir looses then we will. Need to here about tips next week also.

        • FredJ

          If that’s your explanation, shame on the ref. You’re not supposed to be “looking” to throw a flag at anyone. You’re supposed to ref the next play, period.

          • LA Futbol

            Come on Fred…you and I both know that’s not true. You absolutely ARE supposed to be “looking” to throw a flag on a certain player if they’ve shown a tendency to commit certain penalties. So if you’ve been told by a coach to “watch #52! He’s holding!!” You’re telling me the ref shouldn’t pay special attention to that?

          • FredJ

            You’re supposed to ref/officiate the next play without any prejudice from previous plays. That’s basic refereeing 101 in any sport. Some do it much better than others, it’s what separates the good to great officials.

            You can’t blame coaches, they’re supposed to chant prejudicial things to officials, it’s their job to get in their heads and get a call.

            Whether or not the ref takes the bait depends on their level of officiating.

          • Gotcha

            But, according to you, the ref is suppose to overlook and/or rescind what he and many others consider a taunting penalty because of the repercussions that that flag might bring?

      • reality

        Just saw the video. Fred have you ever stood on the sideline at Muir where the kid pointed during the game. I have. Outside the fence near the endzone stand a lot of fans smoking whatever and threatening the refs. It is nuts. Cops cruise by but don’t make the people move. I don’t know because I was not at this game but I”ve seen refs sprinting and being escorted to their cars like fast man after the game. Being that this was nearing the end and the ref may have interpreted the kids actions as trying to incite what look like bangers that hangout outside the fence that might be one reason.

        • FredJ

          Well, I have been to Muir games several times. I know what you’re talking about and if that’s the refs justification for what he did, that would be extremely prejudicial on his part, don’t you think? That would be a lot of assumption and not a fair one considering what’s at stake for Williams.

          And I wouldn’t call them “bangers” behind the fence. Not all people in hoodies and baggy pants are gang bangers just because of the location. They are probably just fans, just like you see at Los Altos, La Mirada or anywhere else.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Freeze the frame at 10 secs…there were no la Mirada players near him and he was well beyond the them It looks like some people were outside the gate and he was acknowledging them… That’s what it looks like…he pointing at some one by the white truck. He may have honestly thought he was not taunting….Most stadiums don’t have this dynamic where a player can see their fans outside the game like at muir…

          • reality

            Yeah? Well I dare you to wear your cute white sweater and tan dockers and go stand with those folks for 5 minutes and tell me they are harmless . Cops have told me the majority of them have been banned from the school but by law they can congregate there. My guess is the ref took alot of verbal abuse from them and then reacted right or wrong for the player supporting them. Not saying the ref was right. Most times refs are so intimated by those fans they don’t call nothing at that endzone. I’m surprised that Muir ever loses at home. Huge home field advantage.

          • FredJ

            That’s ridiculous, and I’ve wore my cute sweater there for years and never worried for a second.

          • Gotcha

            Yeah, and Santa Claus isn’t a fat white guy either.

      • AMAT 73

        FredJ,
        Don’t you think due to his already having a taunting penalty against him had something to do with the quick flag . He aleady got caught once and didn’t learn from it .
        I had an earlier post to you but the blog moderator is holding it for review . Also what is it you consider” the totality of the situation ” , by that do you mean not playing this week ??? Well that gate swings both ways and Williams thought about that also and not put himself in that place .

      • Gotcha

        Are you kidding me? you blame him for not rescinding the call? That’s the exact problem with the “win at ALL COSTS” mentality in sports today. That’s why so many professional athletes today are constantly in trouble. Because too many people think like you and don’t hold kids/athletes accountable for their actions. These high profile athletes go threw their lives always expecting someone to pick up their S**t behind them because that’s exactly what people have always done for them just to make sure they were on the field and ready to play when it’s “go time”.

        • 12th man

          Agree~

  • TruTH

    Given off his twitter account all he did was the Johnny Manziel money shuffling hand sing to the La Mirada sideline

    • New York

      Seriously? Is that true?

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    This is bogus, no matter how you spin it. You don’t throw out a high profile player and effect the outcome of the entire playoff field. Some say Dejon should not have pointed… I say the Ref should have ignored it. This was a bush league call and everyone knows it…all these letter of law pushers, like to see noodles ineligible, Dejon Suspended ETC… I am sure it makes you feel better about your weak team, players on that team, or kid who will never get the chance to point or celebrate a score in a big time game…Disrespecting LM hahaha…yeah right.

    • LA Futbol

      What does it matter if the kid is high profile or a third stringer who got in for garbage time? Are you “that guy” who advocates for treating talented kids differently than subs? Should we have different academic standards as well? “Gotta have a 2.0 and be passing all your classes….unless you’re the starting QB, then we’ll doctor your grades and let you play!” Give me a break!

    • AMAT 73

      GP,
      It was his second infraction in the game . Regardless of how small , he already had his warning ( penalty ) if it happened again. Self control or dicipline is what was needed and not the fact of him being a high profile player . Are you saying if a was second stringer no problem suspend him ???? What lesson would that teach ???

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I am discussing the inconsistency of the unsportsmanlike conduct infractions penalties… They let it go some time, and for that reason…it’s busch league…either you call them all or don’t call them at all…Please don’t act like refs don’t do this….

        • AMAT 73

          GP,
          No I beg to differ . You distincly wrote “you don’t throw out a high profile player and effect the whole outcome of the entire playoff field ” . What was his first infraction ? I don’t see anyone saying what it was . It might have been for the same thing , then what would you say ??????

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            you ignore the last one…Busch league call.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            So you are saying now is him being a high profile player is why you ignore it ??? Do you know why he was flagged the first time ??? I tend to agree with NY on moving the ball from one hand to the other so he could point and therefore he meant to taunt as small as the infraction was , he did it . I think the key is did he do the same thing the first time , or what did he do to draw the first flag .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            But who was he pointing at he clearly was well beyond the LM bench and no other LM players were in 10 yrds of him….freeze frame at 10 secs

          • New York

            He could have been pointing at LM fans on the LM sideline or he could have been pointing at Muir fans beyond the fences. Players are not allowed to do anything other than run into the endzone. They get penalized for high stepping or dragging their feet or whatever.

          • AMAT 73

            My point is why take a chance if you’ve already had your hand slapped . The only possible reason is that they, meaning coaches and players were not aware of such a rule on 2 taunting penalties on one player is ejection . otherwise no excuse for what he did .And even then , ignorance of the rule is no excuse .

        • inland_1

          100% agree with you. Whether he is high profile or not, fact is that did not deserve a flag. Too inconsistent of a rule. How many times have we all seen a ref in the end zone pull a kid to the side and let him know a little to much celebration but no flag. That game was over and the ref had an opportunity to just pull him aside. There has been far far worse celebrations by players allo over the Southland that didn’t get flagged.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I posted some you tube clips on here yesterday…but I don’t know if they were allow. I had footage of LB vs OLU game the same night, a poly player pointed and jump right in front of the opposing team’s bench…I posted the St Bonnies vs ND game where a player did the same thing…I posted the a clip from the BA vs servite last season where Andrews did a high kick into the endzone. I post the clip of Big #62 from upland doing the super man verses Etiwanda a few weeks ago…None of them were called and were obvious excessive celebration…You don’t get bush league refs..If you think they are going to officiate the big time Pac 5 and Inland games the same a southeast Muir game…you got another thing coming…Go do the research look at the recaps of those games you will see the exact same thing all across the southland…this is a crime!

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Remember the First TD in BA’s game verses SM…you remember that Kick that Andrews did going into the endzone facing the student section…No Call…Exactly the way it’s supposed to be…You are so suspension happy? Even the hard core youth Justice system.. gives kids more than one warning!

        • 12th man

          I bet he gets a flag if he throws the celebretorial kick before he crosses the goal line!!…That’s the real issue here..not the fact that he pointed..but because he started his excessive celebration or taunting or whatever you want to call it before he actually scored..that warrants a penalty at any age division …You can’t show up the ref by blatantly disregarding the rules right in front of him before you score…I’m pretty sure if you ask any referee weather it be High School,College or pro..99% would throw a flag for anyone weather it be a high profile player, 5th string, or hall of famer..if you intentionally & make it obvious to the refs your (celebrating,taunting,gesturing,pointing,etc) “before you score”. That’s a penalty 99.99% of the time…The ref didn’t throw the flag for pointing..he threw it for unsportsmanlike conduct before the player scored..I guarantee you if Williams crosses the goal line & actually scores while doing the same actions (pointing) “No Flag”

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Go watch the Andrews high light…Same deal…The Refs don’t call flags consistently.. That’s the real issue regarding celebration and taunting. How can you? Every judge has a different opinion on what constitutes a celebration flag…Even though a refs judgement is subjective on all calls like P I or Holding…if you hold twice in the same game, you don’t get ejected…this is far more serious. There is no interpretation needed regarding fights or bench clearing…But this rule is too harsh when there is no clear cut definition…. How can taunting hold the same penalty as fighting anyways? This should have been looked at and over turned…Refs try their absolute best not to effect the outcomes of games, and future games being that this is playoffs…This refs hands are all over the out come of the southeast playoffs….what a crime….what a busch league ref this guy is.

          • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

            I know you miss us, it always comes back to AMAT!!!! Please join us for thanksgiving tacos. Not since 95′s mamasita is cooking the carnitas for us. She will be working for the food, like her sign said!

          • AMAT 73

            Johnny aka Robin’s pal,
            Talk about taunting , give it a rest . Although I do like the Quasimodo comment . Speaking of the idiot , where is that first round ,get it handed to you , coin flipping fool .

          • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

            Nothing but love for you J73! Issue is with NS95. By the way where is Chino, I mean not since never!!!

    • New York

      I happen to support a pretty strong team, and I expect high profile players to act like they have been in the end zone before and to know that they will be there again.

      Furthermore, if I were his coach, I would tear him a new one for taking the chance of getting stripped from his blind side like Leon Lett back in the day. Why not just celebrate at the end of the play, the very end?

      Look closely. He switched the ball from his outside hand to his inside hand so that he could point and celebrate/taunt whatever it was. I don’t care for the rule, but something happened.

      • FredJ

        I’ve always thought, that’s easy for us to say. We’re grown men with life experience and can judge this with wisdom. But in the moment, especially when you’re a teenager, sometimes you celebrate excessively. And what a terrible price he has to pay. You never ever get that opportunity back if they lose on Friday. And for what? This? C’mon.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      “… you don’t throw out a high profile player…”.
      I beg to differ. You make examples out of high profile players to send a message to the others if you want to maintain control.

  • New York

    I think the non-call at the end of Monday Night Football is much more blatant. The CIF rule book should be changed, IMHO. Does anyone know if pointing is specifically referenced in the rule book?

  • D-Mo

    Team sport. No room for self glorifying crap like this, even as minor as it was. 2nd offense of the game? No excuse. Can’t claim ignorance. Can’t blame ref. He let his team down.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      How many players have been tossed for taunting this season verse how much taunting we see in these games? This Rule is just as inconsistent as the transfer rule too.

      • AMAT 73

        GP,
        He violated a rule not once but twice in the same game !!! Where’s the inconsistency ???? It’s a judgement call and due to him already having an infraction maybe the judgement was already not in his favor by his previous actions. Does anyone out there what brought the first flag out on him as far as taunting ? To me that would help put a better understanding of second this call .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          I agree… the first call sets the precedent…However…the 2nd was a bush league call regardless…I don’t he was trying to get two of the same penalties.

      • Conq ’76

        I would only want to compete against a team at its full strength if possible, if LA were to win because of this call, it deserves an asterisk. LA would not have won in 2000, 2001 or 2003 without Cody or Harwell. I of course would have been upset if they had been suspended for such a minor infraction costing the Conq’s a crown. However, if Charter Oak or OLU had won those games, they would have been tainted wins, to my mind. Injuries are one thing, but this sort o’ thing, where ref’s determine the outcome is disturbing.

        • Los Altos Dad

          So your telling me that he (Williams) is all that Muir has. Is Williams the only player to score for Muir this year? Is Williams the only player on the Muir roster? What about the other 10 players on offense and the other 10 players on defense? Yes he is probably a standout player for Muir. But he wouldn’t be all he is without the other 10 players on the field with him.

          • RCSports

            Please Los Altos Dad, you don’t have that little running back your team would have a tough time beating Walnut this year. That QB is even more of an impact player, not even close.

            I don’t have a strong opinion on the qb situation either way. The sideline issue was made very clear by CIF, now they come back with some lame a@@ reason why this time it doesn’t apply. Don’t remember the exact quote but it went something like, the rule is very clear you leave the sideline one game suspension. Now CIF says since the same White hate didn’t report it, there is nothing they can do, I guess the film isn’t enough proof, it wasn’t for Fred. Muir should consider them self’s lucky it was only one player.

            Muir should also consider themselves lucky that this is a home game on turf. If that game was at LA, the field would look more like a lake, with all the rain, natural and artificial(haha).

          • Conq ’76

            I only know if Shaun or Brigham had been called for an arguably “ticky-tack” penalty and kept out of a playoff game, LA would likely not have those championships painted on the gym wall.Of course LA had other players but Cody and Harwell were difference makers and any team who beat them would have known they did not beat LA’s best. From what I understand Williams is the difference maker for Muir. I have been blessed/cursed with this innate sense of fair play and objectivity which allows me to see things in perspective. I am rooting for LA regardless but I can certainly feel for Muir. This is high-school football after all and all of this young men will take these memories with them for a lifetime.

        • Los Altos Dad

          I’ll tell you where you can put your asterisk. You can put it next to Muir’s loss. We (Los Altos) don’t care who is on the field on Friday. With or without him (Williams) we are going home with the win.

    • New York

      Yep. He switched the ball from outside hand to inside hand, creating ball security risk as well.

      • Colors

        Maybe he got a cramp and needed to switch the ball to his other hand to get it out. Sh*t happends like that in sports.

        • New York

          True. He was probably handwriting his senior thesis for hours before the game and his hand was cramped so he had to shake it out by pointing somewhere. There are infinite possibilities as to why he was facing the sideline starting around the 20 yard line.

          • Colors

            I think you’re right. These kids don’t practice proper posture when writing these days.

          • New York

            So the real blame goes to his kindergarten teacher!

          • Colors

            No, I blame his mom for not sitting up straight when breast feeding him. I assume she did? Why else could he have become a superstar?

          • Colors

            Sorry, I meant (how else) The carcinogens from the ciggs are disrupting my grammar.

  • New York

    Fred,
    Why do you want the ref’s personal information? Do you want to create a witch hunt like the Huffington Post does when they disagree with people?

    The referee did not write the rule book that determines the consequences of getting thrown out of a game. He also did not write the rule book that demands that a player be thrown out of a game upon receiving his second unsportsmanlike penalty of that game.

    Is the referee suppose to go back and say that he did not really see what he saw?

    The referee was probably just looking for the ball to cross the goal line, not looking for the ball carrier to commit another penalty. Unfortunately, the kid pointed somewhere in the same direction of the opponent’s sideline.

    Either change the rules or accept the rules, but don’t blame the referee for actually throwing the flag when he sees a rule violation.

    • FredJ

      I would like to ask his reason for not rescinding the call when he has the opportunity to do so. Would also like to know what he gave it for, specifically

      • New York

        Well the ref is clearly reaching for the flag before Williams tossed him the ball. The ref saw what we did: Williams facing the sideline/busses and pointing as he is going into the endzone. By the way, those might have been Muir fans by the busses, but aren’t those the La Mirada busses? Even reviewing the film, how could the referee possibly know whether or not Williams was pointing at the LM fans or to the Muir fans?

  • Steve Ramirez

    I’m beginning to think this is one of those situations where you are wronged, and it’s obvious in this case, where you just trust The Lord that everything will work out. Now Muir has to put it behind them, and try to put out an effort like the 1979 Houston Oilers, who after losing their top three players to injury went out and beat the favored Chargers on the road!

    • New York

      Great perspective, Steve. Muir should realize that they can still win. They need to focus and use this as motivation.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Muir can not win… who is their Backup? Is going to make the plays like Dejon…it’s not like they have Derrick Holmes Jr in the backfield…that RB is decent…but he is not going to carry them like Dejon would have..

        • TruTH

          Their backup is David Madrid which I believe was the starting quarterback last year at South Pasadena

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Terrible…

        • New York

          They have the athletes…go Wildcat or double wing or whatever…they just need to be crafty. Maybe I should go there this week and help out…lol

    • Manziel

      The Lord?! Wasn’t expecting this topic to go there.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Here is example…in the grudge pot…a certain bonita LB made a lights out hit on a SD running back which lead to fumble and TD. He stood on the field with his hands in the air for the entire play. No penalty was called….a Dejon points and gets ejected… inconsistency at it’s finest. We all know that CIF has some rules which can not be or are not enforced fairly…Overturn the ruling.

    • New York

      Hands in the air…freedom of religion.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        he wasn’t looking up!

        • New York

          LOL…it is hard to look up when wearing a helmet and shoulder pads.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Hahaha…. that’s why he pointed to the side so he could look that way…New York you are Crazy!

          • New York

            his pastor was over by the bus?

  • FredJ

    This is an interesting story of a similar incident http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/high-school-team-loses-state-football-title-on-dubious-taunting-foul-120611

    In this case, the player raising his arm 20 yards before reaching the endzone was denied his touchdown for an unsportsmanlike penalty. Obviously, looking at the video, Williams makes his gesture before he crosses the goal line. So to all you football refs out there, should the touchdown have counted?

    • D-Mo

      Same thing happened at a CO loss to Newport Harbor. TD did not count.

    • Don

      The Fox clip is of a game in Mass., one of only two states in the US, (along with Texas), that uses NCAA rules rather than the Fed rules most of us go by.

  • New York

    Freddy,
    The real question is whether or not you and Aram knew that Muir’s best player had been ejected when you were singing Muir’s praises on the post-game recap. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy you did not discuss this and give it negative publicity. But your/Aram’s message also indicated that Muir had cleaned up their discipline problems.

    • FredJ

      I wasn’t there, and according to Aram, he didn’t known Williams was ejected for the second flag. it was the end of the game, for all Aram knew they were just holding him out once the game was sealed.

      This has nothing to do with an alleged end of game altercation. CIF already acknowledged as such.

      Again, discipline problems? I think has to do with more inconsistent interpretation of rulings by refs than anything else.

      I don’t get the feeling looking at this that he was trying to show up any La Mirada player of coach. Not one of them was in the direction where he pointed for a nanosecond. Those would be “allegedly” Muir fans he was directed at outside the fence.

      • New York

        My gosh. The kid was calmly giving an interview after getting ejected. Did he not know that he would miss the next game?

        Maybe that is it. Maybe Williams does not fully know the rule that getting ejected for two unsportsmanlike penalties meant that he would miss the game. That would then beg the question of whether or not Williams realized that pointing could be considered taunting/unsportsmanlike.

        To be fair, unless you totally understand what the rule book considers taunting, how would you know? One man’s taunting is just another man’s greeting or celebration. Of course, it is up to the coaches to make sure the players know the rules and expectations.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          you should have went into law…too much grey area..

          • New York

            We all make misguided choices.

        • FredJ

          Here’s the strange part we’re trying to find out. There are reports Williams participated on special teams during the ensuing kickoff when he supposedly should have been ejected. That might explain what you just said about the interview.

          Again, Aram doesn’t remember if he was on the field or not, but this is what we’re hearing. We’re trying to sort it all out.

          From a reporters perspective, once a game is sealed and you’ve got a deadline, you’re sorting through your notes and preparing the story in your head.

          • New York

            If Muir used an illegal player, as you are suggesting, then do they forfeit the La Mirada game?

        • FredJ

          That’s why I would understand more if Williams was pointing at a La Mirada player chasing him as he’s going to the end zone. That is more consistent to taunting than probably pointing to a group of supporters outside a fence.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    This is becoming a great topic, and we have 50 on one side siding with the REF and 50 on the other side disagreeing the Ref’s call so to speak. These coaches and players have to remember that these games that are now called the CIF PLAYOFFS are now being governed by the CIF handbook and rulings and become a HIGHER LEVEL of OFFICIATING. This isn’t a regular League game, were in my opinion something liked what happened might be overlooked! On this incident when the official made the first call on the kid, his coach should have immediately spoken to him to control his emotions but obliviously he didn’t learn the first time. Bottom line you just don’t mess around with CIF Officiating!

    Remember years back when I went to go see a Montview League CIF TRACK meet, and the CIF officials who walk around with those goofy hats, disqualified all the runners from AZUSA for the 4×100 race, because one of the runners had the wrong pair of shorts on and he didn’t match the other three. Let me tell you, those track runners were nearly crying because of that and there was nothing the Coach could do about it! That ruined the entire track meet.
    I don’t think this will be over ruled and the CIF officials and will side with the REF’S call! The only one that can rescind the ruling is the REF, and looks like he’s not changing his mind. All I know is, that REF better not be buying his TURKEY in the Pasadena!

    • New York

      Track is VERY rules oriented. DQs are a regular occurrence.

    • AMAT 73

      AP,
      And all those CIF officials wear those goofy hats and red jacket uniforms so even they all look the same and if you have a question , they are easy to find . On another note , how did the Crusaders wind up the season .

    • inland_1

      It’s sad and pathetic that the 50 that are siding with the ref are acting like players from teams that they support don’t do the same stuff. I’ve watched games all season long from CO to Upland to SD to Monrovia where players have scored and I would say easily 90% of the time not one player crossed the goal line and ran straight to the official handed them the ball and got off the field. It’s flexing and chest bumping ect.. If it’s a rule fine, call it then all season. That was completely non excessive, who did he show up? The first thing I thought he was doing was pointing to the people outside the gates, maybe it doesn’t get called if those 3 people were not standing there.

  • New York

    Freddy,
    I suggest you turn this into a teaching moment and encourage all players to take care of business before celebrating. Use your platform to teach all the others.

    • LA Futbol

      Couldn’t agree with you more! I’m appalled that Freddy has take this opportunity to so vehemently oppose this suspension rather than take the mature adult approach and say what most of us seem to be saying. Stop blaming others for your problems and take some responsibility! Whether this was fair or not doesn’t matter! It happened. And it happened as a direct result of WILLIAMS’ actions! NY is right Freddy! Take the high rose here Bud, and see of we can’t use this incident as a

      • LA Futbol

        Incident as an opportunity for better sportsmanship among our youth!

      • FredJ

        It’s not my job to turn this into a teaching moment, it’s my job to give an opinion.

        • New York

          Well at least inform your opinion by watching the entire video clip. See Williams receive an explanation simultaneously from both officials. It almost seems as though Williams acknowledges the call with a quiet acceptance and maybe a slight head nod.

          • FredJ

            I’m not in Williams’ head, he certainly seems SURPRISED by the decision, and I don’t think he knew the ramifications of what just happened. Aram stopped by Muir’s practice on Tuesday and they were still under the impression Williams was playing.

          • New York

            That feeds into our previous discussion: it seems Williams and possibly his coach don’t know the rules of the game.

          • FredJ

            Could be true, they probably went the entire year with nothing like this happening, who Knows.

          • New York

            I read articles in the year that mentioned how many penalties they had gotten…200+ yards one game. It is hard to believe Muir doesn’t know.

            The real question is how would Coach Brownfield have responded to a player receiving a taunting penalty the first time? Did Coach Brownfield’s players do that?

          • New York

            To me, Williams looked like he readily accepted the explanation given by the two officials. He is not a rookie! Maybe he did not know the consequences, but he seems to readily accept their interpretation of what happened.

          • FredJ

            And here’s the thing, I still don’t think it’s a call you make in that situation. Whether you want to call it taunting or not, it’s a borderline decision. Some refs call it, some don’t.

            How an official can look a the replay on a Monday or Tuesday and given the situation not rescind it is terrible in my opinion.

            If the ref had changed it, maybe it could have been a learning moment for the official. This game is about the players, not them.

          • New York

            These rules are also in place to assist the coaches. Most coaches don’t like showboating players. These tough rules make the refs and the rule book into the bad guys and allow coaches to still be “player’s coaches” and at the same time run a tighter shop.

          • FredJ

            most coaches don’t like showboating players. C’mon, emotion is OK, I just posted a picture on the Friday Countdown thread of Kurt Scoby high-fiving CIF assistant commissioner Glenn Martinez after a TD. I find nothing wrong with it, but some might consider it showboating don’t you think?

          • New York

            AFTER the play…AFTER! HUGE difference. He would have been penalized if he did the same thing DURING the play. That is a big difference.

            I have NEVER met a coach who did not have friction with showboating players. How would Brownfield have responded? The answer is that his players would have gotten all this stuff worked out much earlier in their Muir career.

          • FredJ

            New York, I’ve seen showboating. What I saw on that video didn’t rise to the level of showboating in my opinion. I consider it showboating when the celebration is excessive, clearly of which this was not.

          • New York

            Would you consider it to be early celebration?

          • 12th man

            In Kurt Scoby case the Key word is “After” he scored the TD..Meaning the play was over..In Williams case, the play was still live when the infraction or penalty occurred (5yd line)..That’s not a judgement call while the play is still happening..that’s a penalty! Would have it made you feel better if Williams had pointed for 10 seconds rather than a split second? ..The point here is that a CIF football rule was broken in plain sight according to your video & you want the referees the viewers & CIF to turn a blinds eye on a call that was a non-judgement call at the time of the penalty.. This would have been a totally different outcome if he had already scored(now it becomes a judgement call) because now the referee has the option to determine weather it was done intentional or was the player acting out of adrenaline..but because it was done while the play was still in motion at the 5yd line directly in front of him..he had no choice but to enforce the CIF rule..Sure it sucks! but rules are rules~

          • FredJ

            Read the rule back to yourself, nothing in the rule book says anything about pointing. Taunting is defined clearly, and says nothing about when you do it, before or after a TD. NOWHERE, NADA, you show me in the rule book where pointing in a direction is clearly defined as Taunting. If it is with INTENT meant to embarrass and other things, then and only then is it taunting.

            It’s a judgement call, plain and simple.

            In any case, a smart official also would have known to disallow the touchdown because the infraction he flagged the player for happened before he reached the endzone.

          • 12th man

            Finger pointing definition:
            fin·ger-point·ing
            noun
            informal
            noun: finger-pointing; plural noun: finger-pointings; noun: fingerpointing; plural noun:fingerpointings
            1.
            actions or words that bring attention to a particular person or issue.

          • 626

            Fred, not to mention one thing NO ONE has brought up, and that’s the fact that coaches and players can’t go past the 20 or 25 yard line. It’s forbidden. So when Williams points at the 5 YARD LINE to the Montana St. crew he is CLEARLY not pointing to players or coaches who are DEFINED IN THE RULES to be at the 20-25 yard line….which the ref MOST CERTAINLY knows!!

            So again…WHO and HOW is he taunting!? He’s not! He’s bringing attention to himself, certainly…but so did LM’s receiver after each of his 4 TDs…and so do thousand of players each and every Friday night.

          • New York

            Teaching moment for the official? I suppose so.

          • 12th man

            easier said than done~…If your going to rescind the call..the rule might as well not exist..or better yet let’s activate instant replay? Williams pointed when he got to the 5yd line while the play was still live..Therefore it’s no longer a judgement call..It’s a penalty point blank! Just like when an offense receives a delay of game..The ref looks at his watch & calls the penalty..no need for a judgement call there either..It’s a penalty point blank!..Now if Williams had crossed the goal line while scoring a TD as he did..the ball is no longer live! It’s a touchdown! Williams can jump, point, curse, or whatever he desires (figure of speech)..& that’s when it becomes a judgement call..after the play is over! The ref has the option to let the player celebrate or to flag him for excessive celebrating.. Notice how the ref didn’t even pay attention to Williams when he crossed the goal line? He was already committed to throwing the flag when the penalty occurred at the 5yd line..You just cant blatantly show up the ref like that & dare him to throw a flag..

          • FredJ

            In the NBA they rescind techs all the time. So to say by doing it the rule shouldn’t even exist is silly. You have that option after reviewing the video to make a better determination because in this case, a players’ eligibility in the playoffs is at stake.

          • AMAT 73

            Fred,
            Key words by you , ” I still don’t think it’s a call you make in that situation ” . You’re right , you wouldn’t but the ref did . They is much more to it then looking at a replay . If the ref knew then he made the right call due to whatever circumstances of which none of us really know then he has no need to review . In the ref’s mind he made the right call , in yours he didn’t . But are you more upset because of Williams being so important to Muir or because it was a bad call . It was mop up time as Muir was up by 20 or more points and Williams should have been on the sideline anyways, so if it was a second or third string Dback would you even have posted it ????

          • FredJ

            I find the whole thing discouraging. I don’t care what team it is, to see a player get suspended for something like this doesn’t sit right.

          • AMAT 73

            Fred,
            Why is this blog moderator hold comments . 2have been flagged so far of mine , Clean posts with nothing to draw flag for .

          • LA Dad

            Its incredible that you are asking for a referee to come back and rescind his call. Its because you want to see the best possible team that Muir can have but that is part of the game. LA has not had a QB for 4 weeks and still came into the playoffs as the Hacienda #2 team. When Bonita beat LA, it was the bloggers that mentioned they were playing without their MLB, one of their DE and a Junior QB.

            It takes luck, a deep bench and a lot of hard work to get to where these kids are and for anyone to think that the refs should let this kid play because it improves their chances and you want to see a complete Muir team is certainly not fair. So dont talk about the Ref,

        • LA Futbol

          Whatever you say Charles Barkely!

  • RCSports

    Interesting enough, multi players off the Muir team would and should have been suspended, due to stepping on the field when the fight occurred at the end of the game. Based on the rules that our CIF commissioner preached about after the Diamond Bar / Diamond Ranch game.

    Muir getting out of that game with only one suspension should feel lucky.

    According to CIF the reason why those kids weren’t suspended was that same white hat didn’t file a report on the fight. Since their was no report no suspensions.

    • New York

      So it looks as if this ref really did not want to ruin a team’s post-season afterall…that almost gives more credibility to his decision not to rescind the penalty flag.

      • FredJ

        Even if that was true New York, you think by making Williams the scape goat is the right response. Williams was doing an interview with Aram while this allegedly occurred. So he obviously played no role in whatever is being alleged here.

        • New York

          How is he making Williams the scapegoat? The referee threw the second flag on Williams BEFORE the fight. He threw the flag for an unsportsmanlike act BEFORE the fight. By rule, the second unsportsmanlike penalty causes the ejection. By rule, the ejection restricts Williams from playing this week.
          In other words, the Ref did not eject Williams. The ref threw a flag. This flag was the second of its kind and results in an ejection.
          Again…ALL BEFORE the fight. If the ref had a bone to pick with Muir, he could have flagged the players who stepped onto the field during the fight.

        • RCSports

          “allegedly occurred” – what a joke ….

    • FredJ

      Where’s the proof this occurred? Show me the video? If CIF had proof this occurred they wouldn’t need a referee report.

      • Gotcha

        Come on Fred, ask your boy Aram, he was there. Are you guys reporters or apologist?

  • 12th man

    Nothing wrong with the call!! It’s obvious the kid did something to warrant a penalty ..the ref didn’t just feel bored & decide to cause some drama & throw a flag out of the blues..It’s unfortunate but the player in question should have taken better precautionary measures knowing he would be under a microscope for previously breaking this same rule..
    What it boils down to is? ..It’s a judgement call like in any other sports where umpires or refs must make a split second decision..Weather it’s the right call morally is not the question at hand…real question should be if the player did in fact do something in regards to taunting?

  • 12th man

    Taunting is defined as, “any actions or comments by coaches, players, or spectators which are intended to bait, anger, embarrass, ridicule, or demean others, whether or not the deeds or words are vulgar or racist.”

    So if you point…even if it’s just for a nano-second..that would be baiting to embarrass or ridicule your opponent! Throw a flag “all day”!!

    • FredJ

      I agree with you, my point is if you’re going judge this by the letter of the law that you just explained, then every word or action a coach or player makes during the course of a game should be a penalty. My question to you is have you ever been on a sideline? There is constant talking, bating, smack-talking throughout. Most of the time innocent, but words exchanged on almost every play. By the letter of the law you described, each of these instances should result in a penalty.

      Why doesn’t it? Because refs would never finish a game if they threw a flag for every letter of the law infraction. You have to use judgment. Either it’s excessive or it’s not, that’s the key. What Williams did was not excessive in my opinion.

    • FredJ

      How do you know it was his “INTENT” to bait, anger, embarrass, ridicule or demean others? By definition, just for clarity, when Williams chest bumps his players in the end zone, isn’t that an ACTION intended to embarrass or anger the other team? That by definition is showboating. But teams do it after every touchdown. After every big play. Why isn’t it called on every touchdown or big play. Because referee’s have to decide whether it’s EXCESSIVE OR NOT.

      That’s called using judgment.

  • Don

    These are all unsportsmanlike conduct penalties under current NFHS
    rules and all cost the offender 15 Yards.

    NF 9-5 This section addresses Unsportsmanlike Conduct by Players

    9-5-1a Bait or taunt through acts, words or insignia which engender ill will

    9-5-1b Use profanity, insulting or vulgar language or gestures

    9-5-1c Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act attempting to bring attention upon one’s self

    9-5-1d Use of disconcerting acts or words prior to the snap to interfere with A’s signals or movements

    9-5-1e Intentionally kicking at the ball other than during a legal kick

    9-5-1f Leaving the field between downs to gain an advantage unless replaced

    9-5-1g Refusing to comply with an official’s request

    9-5-1h Use of tobacco or smokeless tobacco

    9-5-2a A player who after the ball is dead in his possession: Intentionally kicks the ball

    9-5-2b Spikes the ball

    9-5-2c Throws the ball high into the air or from the field of play

    9-5-2d Intentionally failing to place the ball on the ground or return it to a nearby official

    So many referees on board here that I think I’ll just let you one of you professionals decide if any of these infractions occurred.

    • FredJ

      Don, I’m glad you posted this. Rule 9-5-1a Bait or taunt through acts, words or insignia WHICH engender it will.

      Again, this is a judgment call by the official. Is Williams taunting or baiting? There isn’t an opponent or coach in the direction in which this occurs. And you certainly would be assuming he meant ill will by his actions, which is a big assumption.

      And it certainly wasn’t any EXCESSIVE or PROLONGED attempt to bring attention to himself.

      And look at all the other rules. If you followed this list by the letter of the law you would be flagging players and coaches all night. Refs have to balance the letter of the law with the spirit of the game.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        That sums it up.

    • Conq ’76

      Any of these offenses cost the offender a games suspension?

      • Don

        76,

        As I understand it, it was the second call of unsportsmanlike
        conduct that got the kid bounced.

        More questions than answers here: Was the kid woofing? Did the side judge throw a flag too or was it just the Referee? Was the kid trying to provoke the locals over on Montana st that couldn’t/didn’t get into the the game? Was the first USP enough to put him on thin ice with the Ref? and on and on.

        I think that in a regular season contest, an official might be less lenient than one working a game with title ramifications but that’s just my opinion.

        • FredJ

          It happened so quick, so fast, all those points you made would be assumptions. Big assumptions.

  • FredJ

    I’ve watched the video several times. Williams isn’t taunting the opposing team at all. Minor pre-TD celebration, yes. Taunting? I just don’t see it. There is not a coach or player anywhere near the direction he points for a second.

    • AMAT 73

      Fred J,
      Looks like rule 9-5-1c was violated . See the Bear’s post of the rules below . In that rule it does not state where it has to be directed at an opponent , just the act is good enoufgh for the flag , and all admit he did point a finger . Be it a nano second or not . I still feel the first infraction solves the puzzle . FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS !!!!!!!

      • FredJ

        Again, read all the rules, it’s about judgement. If you called every one of these rules by the letter of the law, you would never finish a game.

        If I go 37 in a 35 MPH zone I’m speeding by the letter of the law. But cops aren’t going to stop me, or shouldn’t, lol, until I’ve reached a speed they feel is excessive.

        That’s what makes a good official, one who understands how the rules are supposed to be enforced in the spirit of the game.

        • 12th man

          I don’t think anyone would be dumb enough to speed twice on the same street in front of the same cop on the same day? I think you’re missing the point…If this kid hadn’t been already penalized for taunting the ref might have let it go? At the end of the day the ref has a judgement call to make & so he made it! It didn’t help that the kid did it right in front of him..Anytime you make gestures towards the opposing team sidelines weather it’s towards people he knows or the other team..that’s just asking for a flag..especially if you haven’t even scored yet (crossed the goal line) …That shows no respect for the game! I don’t mind athletes celebrating after they’ve scored..but showboating before crossing the goal line is unacceptable at any age..Just ask Golden Tate (Seahawks) he got penalized 15yds for taunting vs Rams 3wks ago before he crossed the goal line..

          • FredJ

            That would be assuming the referee knew at that split second this was the same player who was given a penalty earlier and by throwing his flag, the ref knew full well he was kicking him out of the game and suspending him for the next one.

            If that’s what’s going on in an officials mind, he’s not a very good official. My guess is he realized it after the fact.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            There’s LOTS of not very good officials. They seem to get more and more plentiful as time goes on. I did not see many young refs out this season. Maybe 1 or 2 in the 6 or 7 games I caught this season. That does not bode well for the sport.

        • AMAT 73

          Fred ,
          Funny you use the police incident as my post using that got eaten by the blog moderator . My point was if the cop did stop you and let you off with a warning ( first flag on taunting to Williams ) would you burn rubber as you left him . No of course not , so Williams should have realized he got his warning so to speak ( first flag ) and goes off and does it again in front of a ref ( cop ) . Makes no sense to risk it , if the line is so fine on making the call .

          • FredJ

            My point was no cop ever stops you for going 37 in a 35. They use better judgement than that.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Wanna bet? You have prior run-ins with LEO’s in a city you best be on your BEST behavior at all times and yes that means following the letter of the law not just the spirit. Fortunately I’ve neer had to watch my p’s and q’s that closely but I know some that have had to.

            I’m with AMAT73 on this though, tell us what that warning (1st flag) was for and you’ll know exactly why he needed to watch his p’s and q’s to the letter of the law for the remainder of the game.

    • New York

      When you wrote that you had watched several times, did you also see both officials simultaneously point to the sideline while giving Williams the explanation? Freddy, you have sensationalized this and ignored certain parts of the video clip that you posted.

  • 626

    Wow. Just wow.

    I have been to a handful of Muir games over the years. Look, there is no doubt that Dejon pointed to the Montana St. crew that hangs outside the fence during the games as a “shot out” and not to taunt any player, coach, parent, or fan from La Mirada. He isn’t the only one to have ever done that either.

    The folks that hang out on Montana are there because they can watch the game for free. They are at all the games and the crowd varies from game to game. They serve almost the same role the as Dog Pound (Cleveland) or the Black Hole (Oakland). They talk a lot of shyt and get loud from time to time but I’ve never heard of anyone being harmed or hurt. Visiting teams are intimidated by them because it’s in a dark area and the dudes are black…let’s be honest here. Anyhow, Dejon was simply pointing to them to acknowledge and recognize them, just like he’d do to the home stands if he was on there other side of the field. If that’s “taunting” that’s asinine. I get the ref throwing the flag during the game as he was not aware of Dejon’s intentions and whom he actually pointed to. But upon reviewing the film, it is BEYOND evident what Dejon was doing…given a shot out to guys on Montana. And the ref’s decision NOT to rescind the decision after looking at the film (and perhaps he didn’t even review it) is also asinine.

    • FredJ

      I’m with u on that

  • New York

    What was the original act of taunting? Also, what if this second taunting call had been reviewed and then changed to showboating, which is also unsportsmanlike. Would the “showboating” penalty, when added tot he first penalty, have caused the ejection and subsequent disqualification from the second round game?

  • New York

    I will be honest, I can not believe that a player can be ejected for non-contact penalties that don’t create an advantage (cheating some how).
    I think these rules suck. I think the referee correctly threw the flag, and the penalty is written in the rule book.
    This is all meant to say that I think these rules need to be changed. With that said, the rule book is examined every year. The current rules are the evolution of the history of CIF. They must serve some valued purpose.

  • SGV_FOOTBALL

    @FredJRobledo:disqus, rules are rules. Kids are in school to be students, the athlete part of it is a privilege.

    Your the sports writer, you want to generate hits which you are doing. You want to cover an exciting game and sell newspapers the next morning but the problem is these kids need to learn from their mistakes.

    When was the last time you saw a kid get two unsportsmanlike conduct calls in one game! It never happens, so he deserves to be suspended for one game.

    A few years ago when Dennis Rufus went berserk at Vista Murrieta I would have hoped that Lou would have benched him for the next game.

  • Los Altos Dad

    Fred
    I was just wondering what are the qualifications to be called a superstar? You started off your page by calling Williams a superstar.

    • New York

      Most journalists love players and coaches who make good copy. They almost despise the boring, journeyman types. Form over substance is what sells for some reason.

  • OuttaYourMindTrib

    Playing sports is a PRIVILEGE plain and simple. There’s rules and obviously your “SuperQB” chose to not adhere to the sportsmanship part of the rules, not just once but twice in the same game. The Ref did not cause the suspension, the player’s actions did. You all need to stop pampering these athletes. Let them pay their penalty, STFU, move on and hopefully they will become better citizens. It’s pretty simple really.

    And Aram, this is not about taking “all the emotion out of the game”. There’s plenty room for celebration without crossing the line. The “SuperQB” obviously has not figured it out. Better he figures out appropriate behavior on the field of sport rather than a jail cell or a courtroom no?

    • LA Futbol

      Well said!

    • FredJ

      A jail cell? A courtroom? Figures that’s what comes to mind when you think of a young African-American athlete in this situation. Unbelievable the comparison’s some of you make. I guarantee you don’t make the same comment if this was the result of a La Mirada, La Serna game ..

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        I’d make the same statement REGARDLESS of race, culture, creed, neighborhood, city, region, WTF Ever! You race baiting media fools are puh-freaking-thetic. You fools are so quick to rob these people of the teachable moments in life at times when they are for the most part non-life changing. Maybe it’s YOU Freddo that needs some growin’ up.

      • Cmon

        Come on Fred, playing the race card? The only thing more pathetic then African Americans playing the race card is when Non African Americans within the media play the race card.

  • Los Altos Dad

    Wow! All this really sucks. When we(Los Altos) beat Muir on Friday, and everyone is talking, blogging, and crying about what could’ve, should’ve, and would’ve been if Muir’s “superstar” had played. Los Altos still won’t get the respect they deserve.
    Is he all that Muir has. Tell me Fred do you still pick Muir to be in the championship? Or do you and Aram want to jump on our wagon? Remember your bet for the 50/50 burger.

  • Los Altos Dad

    My opinion, and I know it doesn’t matter what I think but….
    He did it to make a statement. And that statement was I (Williams) only care about myself. He is no “superstar”. A “superstar” knows how to act and knows how to handle pressure situations. I’m sure he may be a “standout player”. Might big shoes to fill when you label someone a”superstar”. He let everyone who supports Muir down. All because he wanted to look cool. What a price to pay.

  • New York

    Unless CIF changes the rule book, the more people like Fred clamor that this player did nothing wrong, the more damage you are doing to the player and all other players. If you keep coddling him/them, then he/they will look for excuses the rest of his/their life. Look toward the end of the film clip, even Williams seemed to accept the situation. He really wasn’t protesting the call once he learned what it was. He probably he realized he messed up. But Freddy, you and the others are encouraging Williams to blame others, even though the film shows Williams accepting the situation like a man.
    Again, I don’t agree with these rules, but everyone knows about them and they are not new. Almost 20 years ago during our “Green n White” game at Monrovia High School, our MVP broke a long run and pointed with his arm out going into the end zone. The referee threw a flag on him (uniformed scrimmage game), and a few of our coaches thanked the referee for throwing the flag, hoping our guy would learn his lesson.
    WATCH the film closely, then entire clip. You can see the two officials discuss the penalty. The umpire points toward the sidelined as well as the white-hat. Watch further, you can see Williams not even be very surprised that he was flagged for doing what he did. He is a smart player. You can see on the video that he probably realizes he messed up.
    Sadly, because the rule book and not because of the referee, this second penalty automatically resulted in ejection and DQ from this week.

    • AZTEC PRIDE

      New York, are you a Father? IF… your Son or Daughter broke a rule would you give them another chance? For example, like keeping them from going to the PROM and this being there SENIOR YEAR? To make matters worse they’re going with a person they deeply like! Well dont you think Williams would want to be playing in probably his last game! Come on Folks, the Kid didn’t do some type of crime and heck he just pointed his finger!

      • New York

        You are changing the argument. Yes, I believe in second chances. I am on record stating that I don’t like this rule.

        However, the point I am making is that Fred’s agenda seems to be denying that Williams even violated the rules and thereby is a victim of some vindictive referee rather than of his own poor decision.

  • LA Futbol

    Just a reminder to anyone who wants to use this as a excuse for Muir…Los Altos’ starting QB has been out for three weeks with a torn rotater cuff and won’t play this week either. So no excuses! This is a TEAM game, not an individual one!

    • Conq ’76

      great point…

  • Parent

    100% sure the Los Altos coaches are very happy they don’t have to face Williams. That is the behind closed doors comment, we all know what the offical position will be. Yes 100% sure.

  • Colors

    Hey, high school kids! Don’t point-at/celebrate or get to excited about anything great you do in life because the HS-FB blog gods will deem you criminals or predict you’ll probably won’t turn out to be model citizens if you do. Oh and don’t forget during play-offs that people who watch games from “outside” the fences are losers, a/k/a/ hoodie wearing, gang banging smokers. Good luck to all the teams playing in quarter finals and in your adult lives. You’ll all need it after reading a few posts on these blogs.

    Profiling is not a disease, its taught!

    Sincerely

    Hoodie wearing, $7 saving, a/k/a/ smoker/banger

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      QB is a JUDGEMENT POSITION. It’s different than all the other positions and for good reason. They are the highest paid players on a team and more often than not they are the Team Leaders. If the ref lets this go he’s not doing his job.

      • Colors

        I understand that it’s a “JUDGEMENT POSITION” but last I heard was, high school QBs don’t get paid very well anymore.

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          He’s the team leader, what he does, his team will do in excess. It’s human nature.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      @ Colors, how about this; “Hey high school kids, when you do something great, act like you’ve done it before and as if you’re going to do it again.”

      They won’t be criminals because they gestured to a crowd inappropriately, they’ll be criminals because when they were young and should have been punished for their mis-deeds it was just brushed off as if it was no big deal. Well, lots of little deals turn into big deals eventually. It’s human nature.

      • Colors

        @ OYMT- Yup and big deals can turn into white collar crime. I agree with you on the facts of human nature.

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          Crime is crime regardless of the “collar”.

  • 12th man

    There’s none so blind as those who will not see

  • TruTH

    It is sad to here that they are still fighting for this kid to play. The coaches should take it for what it is and play to win with what they have. It just shows how this team is so focused on one player. Great coaches make adjustments and rally their troops for their next game. But a day before the game they are more focused on this kid playing that paying attention to all other 50+ players. The only thing that is being shown is that there shouldn’t be consequences for players because apparently if you are the star player you are above the law.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    New York, are you a Father? IF… your Son or Daughter broke a rule would you give them another chance? For example, like keeping them from going to the PROM and this being there SENIOR YEAR? To make matters worse they’re going with a person they deeply like! Well dont you think Williams would want to be playing in probably his last game! Come on Folks, the Kid didn’t do some type of crime and heck he just pointed his finger!

    • New York

      You are changing the argument. Yes, I believe in second chances. I am on record stating that I don’t like this rule.

      However, the point I am making is that Fred’s agenda seems to be denying that Williams even violated the rules and thereby is a victim of some vindictive referee rather than of his own poor decision.

  • New York

    What is lost in all this referee bashing and Williams bashing is the fact that on film, Williams calmly asked the referee for an explanation and calmly accepted that explanation.

    On the spot, Williams manned up and accepted it…at least that is what it appears to be on film. That tells me he was carried away in the moment, and then readily accepted that he got caught. On film, he did not try to convince the referee otherwise. To me, Williams showed great character through his interaction with the referee on film at the end of the clip.

    What we also have not discussed, is that BOTH officials pointed simultaneously toward the sidelines as they BOTH seemed to be explaining the penalty call. Maybe the official is not changing his mind because TWO officials discussed it on the spot and agreed!

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